Going up the bl**dy stairs and shyness

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The stupid bl**dy dog keeps going up stairs! Shes NOT allowed to, so when she was a pup we put a stair gate up. When we went to see my brother is Scotland they dont have a stair gate, and she never tryed to get up the stairs! Well now she is! Today its really p*ssed me off to say the least! Everytime shes done it ive called her down, shes ignored me, so i went up grabbed her collar and put her in this tiny room effert by the toilet and she has been put in for a bitt ignored. This has happened so many times and we've chucked her in. Hoping shell realise its not a good thing to do because she gets isolated! We thought we were doing the right thing but shes not paying any attention! Any opinions??

And she went 1 in march and shes always been wary of other dogs and sometimes she will back off, like rear (stand on her back legs) and put her front paws over the lead and sit down and lye on the lead?! and put her claws in teh floor! I end up dragging her out the road and away from cars trying to pass etc (up a lane with no pavement). It can be any size, any amount she most of the time does this! I have to wait until the dogs have passed! Im very encouriging in my voice and try to get her past nicely but end up loosing my rag because it seems so pathetic! As a pup we thought it was because she hadnt really seen many different dogs but its carried on?

Advice on both problems would be FANTASTIC!!!! PLease!!
 
Well I'm no expert but for the first problem I'd put the baby gate back up - my puppy is currently going through a sneaking upstairs phase but he responds well to being told no. If he didn't, I'd just put the gate back up so he has no option.

The second one is a bit harder - maybe dog socialisation classes?
 
Its N_B but with a mate!

Hmm yeah i put the gate up the other night because she was driving me mad but will it sort it in tend resulting in putting it back in??

And she went to puppy classes and did her kennel club bronze! As soon as she new the dogs there she was fine with them!! But at first she wasnt! She odd..!
 
how old was she when you got her???to the first i would spray her with water everytime she went near the stairs or use a rattle bottle or something like that but you would have to be consistant and accurate with your timing.
second what is she like off the lead???if she is good just let her off and if she is being stupid carry on walking she will then be more worried about you leaving her than the dog going past hope that helps??
 
She was hmm i think it was 8 weeks? 9 weeks? So its not like shes had a past exp in another home because we had her straight from the breeder. I think ill try the water or rattle, sharp noises do make her back off so that could work! Thanks!
Oh shes fab off the lead! She runs up to dogs if were not carefull
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! My old dog used to be really vocal on the lead passed another dog but if she was off she used to stand in between the dog and us! I could let her off but because when shes on the lead she backs off and stands on her back legs i worry shell run backwards?? But i spose when were on the hills and we go in a opposite direction she follows! Ill try letting her off.
Thank you that was very usefull!
 
Is this the collie?

Very clever dogs, highly sociable dogs, highly sensative dogs, and a tendancy to be timid.

However, no dog is clever enough to understand being shoved in an empty room as a punishment.

And losing your rag when you're dog is feeling vulnerable will only reinforce the problem.

Unless you can deal with her sympathetically - you have the wrong dog.
 
So being isolated isnt a punishement? SO when she likes attention noone being there isnt? Right ill try and find a better option
I know all about collies i have them all my life and have not got the wrong dog.
I can deal with her sympathetically, but its goen on for so long and we cant see where its coming from, you do get a little cross! so that wouldnt take its tol on you? no!

I asked for help with it, shes only young! Youve just said basicly we've got the wrong dog not helping me out!
 
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So being isolated isnt a punishement

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To you - yes it's a form of punishment - but to the dog it just confuses. Put the child gate up and it's abundently clear what's required. And I'm really sorry, but if you are getting cross with a dog when it's feeling vulnerable - then you have the wrong dog!
 
NB, you sound a bit frustrated with her - dogs pick up these vibes really easily and it can make some problems worse, esp if she is already sensitive.
Hard as it can be, you have to remain calm outwardly and inwardly.
I agree with whoever said to reinstate the gate.

Ditto with the other dog thing - try not to 'lose your rag'...if she feels tension coming down the lead, she will be tense too!
She is still quite young, so be patient.
 
How does it confuse? Im not trying to be a pain but if its not going to work with her i obviously dont want to do it. Find something better!
Im not getting cross at her, it just annoys me! I never shout at her for it i try using my voice and encouraging her past! I dont take it out on her but i want to sort the problem out because stopping jsut when a dog walks past is getting anoying and id like to show her that its nothing to be worried about! And thats why im asking on things to try and encourage her past! Shes a socialble dog but a bit shy at first.
 
It confuses - because dog's don't think like us. She won't understand. It's a bit like the man that put his dog in the washing machine for pooing the in the kitchen. The dog didn't understand why he was put in the washing machine.....

As for you not shouting at her, you said:

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Im very encouriging in my voice and try to get her past nicely but end up loosing my rag because it seems so pathetic

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How do you loose your rag if not by shouting???
 
I know H_H, i see what you mean. But i dont mean it literally, and i know you dont know i mean it like that because your only reading it.

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i see what your saying there.
I try to see whether she would go past if i changed my tone of voice, not full blown shouting just make it deeper.

Look it really doesnt matter now, im just obviously a terible dog owner and i take your points on board and will use them.
 
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Look it really doesnt matter now, im just obviously a terible dog owner and i take your points on board and will use them.

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Obviously you're not a terrible dog owner - othewise you wouldn't be asking for advice on here.
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Don't lose heart - we're here to offer help - when I'm standing in the middle of a field this weekend with two ten month old GSD lunatics leaping around, tying me up in their leads then jumping in opposite directions and screaming at the tops of their voices in all their hyperactive glory, I'll remember 'Oh yeah, what was it I told Night_Breeze again?!'
 
Was meaning to answer to this but kept loosing the post everytime I came on.

For the first..agree with the others place the baby gate back on....she is only a year old and still a baby herself.
Secondly when passing other dogs, being a colli she is a very clever girl and should be easy to train provided you yourself put the time in.
I would use a positive distraction technique, choose a toy...which normally works pretty well with collies, they focus immensely well with most objects when used as a training method, if not then use treats....whichever you think will work best.

Work with her one on one and use the selected method only when training....if it's the toy hype her up and work on her recalls getting her to bring it to u and reward for taking it from her and make it inot an exciting game.

Use the same toy or treat which ever you choose when out walking, keep it tucked away until you are approaching another dog, stay calm gather her lead so u have her healed in nice and hold the toy/treat just out of reach...this will get her focus/attention...slip a command in like watch me.

Maybe get one of those balls on a rope so u can dangle it loosly just above her nose, keep her close and keep her in tight..don't just let her jump all over the place trying to catch it...u should have the toy or treat in your left hand close to your body whilst restraining her in your right, at first keep a descent distance from the other dog, at the very moment you pass allow her to get hold of the toy/treat this is her reward for her focus on you and also acts as a positive assosiation for passing the dog.

If you choose a treat based method use a delicacy she does not usually get, chicken or cheese(small amounts) allow her to mouth the treat and smell it from inside your hand but do not let her take it till time of passing, same with toy, do notlet her hold it in her mouth until the exact moment of passing, give her afe seconds then place it back safely in your pocket and whip it back out when you need it next.
Work on her heel work..being a colli you should get her tucked in nice on close practicaly on your leg....this wil help with the whole exercise
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AND GIVE YOURSELF A TREAT for getting through that
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Thanks very useful! She has been to training and is clicker trained. Although food is just food to her now from it although porkk scratchings she will do ANYTHING for, so may try that or a toy! She can heel to by herself, a bit mad around otehr dogs!!
Thanks very much
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I don't thing you have the wrong dog. Collies are, as you know, super intelligent (I'd love one but don't have the space 24/7 at the moment) and she's still finding her way at a year old. I would still try and get her around as many other dogs as possible, as often as possible. It's great she went to puppy class but they need continual reinforcement, espeically the more sensitive breeds (my dachsy gets a bit shy now and again). Cala has given some good ideas, also cheese is a good stinky treat that a lot of dogs like. (Our puppy class trainer recommends hot dogs too.)

BTW for what it's worth, I dont think you're a terrible owner at all. Nobody on here is perfect and if making a "mistake" means you're a bad owner then I am too - I shouted at my dog when he did a runner in the park not long ago. I don't believe I have the wrong dog though - and he is constantly complemented on his lovely manner. Alright, it's not ideal, but you can move on and it's better to be honest than pretend you know it all. Good luck with her.
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Thanks very much! I walk out with Blazey on here alot with her dog, and yesters i walked out with her dog and my dog (i was holding both) and she had 2 retrievers! Maggie (my dog) was a tad shy but walked well next to anotehr dog considering she never has before, did pull quite a bit but dod you know its so exciting walking with 4 dogs?!?! LOL! She did calm down to! And lots of my mates have dogs and we take her quiet a lot of spaces, she is quite woried about big skinny dogs (greyhounds)! Whihc is odd as shell walk up to a GSD no probs lol! Shes jelous of there skinniness LOL!

But definatly socialisation, she isnt at all snappy so its not like that its just worry until them become best mates!

Thanks again!
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HAvew some really cute pics to post soon of her! And her breeder said she is the best looking of all her 8 puppy sis and bros!! So what a nice compliment to! The testing times are hard but weve got through so many now she will be an ace dog in the end
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Im sure! I need to chillax!!
 
Have you ever watched the dog whisperer with ceaser milan? He is brilliant. If you watch it long enough you should come across the same situation as you are in. I agree dogs can be frustrating especially when you can not understand the reason for the behaviour. You mentioned you spoke to a dog behaviourist. Bring her in and see what she sayes.
This forum is for queries. If everyone knew everything there would be no need for it apart from telling everyone what wonderful pets they own, and how boring would that be. I for one have the best dogs in the world......
 
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