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As you know I plan on getting another Golden and I really want to do canicross I tried with Theo but he's so chilled out that he has no interest in running with me he's duel purpose mom was a show and dad a worker but he takes after his mom he's very mellow and chilled out guy.

So I'm not sure if all duel purpose Golden's are like him or if it's just him , I was thinking a Working line may be better suited to canicross but I was told their only for working homes as their crazy? Not sure how true this is

Anyone know about working line Golden's and how they compare to duel purpose Golden's and if they are to much for a pet home even if that pet home will be providing plenty of exercise both physical and mental?

Also some in the Golden community are saying Golden's are more sprinters not flat out runners so better to pick a breed suited to canicross?
 
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CorvusCorax said:
My friend has a working Golden, he's busy but not crazy. Very pleasant dog. She does a lot of walking and trains working trials and IGP.
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Thanks I've just updated my post as forgot to say some in the golden community have said their more sprinters than flat out runners and I should pick another breed more suited to canicross so also have this to think of
 
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I have a working golden and we did canicross. We dont now due to my knees.

He's the best dog I've ever had-I wish I had discovered them earlier. He was a headbanger when younger but he always tried hard to please-we did alot of scent work which he excelled at but also spent years teaching impulse control. He definitely had the potential to turn into a right yob. canicross wise if I had been a stronger runner we'd have been better-he'd have gone all day.

Most dogs dont canicross all their life, I personally would not buy a 'canicross' breed, if you are meaning GSP/husky, unless you are very competitive at it. My smooth collie was a great canicross dog, perfect speed, perfect pull (ie I wasnt going to wipe out downhill) and not stopping to sniff without any warning from full pelt.
 
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I have a working golden and we did canicross. We dont now due to my knees.

He's the best dog I've ever had-I wish I had discovered them earlier. He was a headbanger when younger but he always tried hard to please-we did alot of scent work which he excelled at but also spent years teaching impulse control. He definitely had the potential to turn into a right yob. canicross wise if I had been a stronger runner we'd have been better-he'd have gone all day.

Most dogs dont canicross all their life, I personally would not buy a 'canicross' breed, if you are meaning GSP/husky, unless you are very competitive at it. My smooth collie was a great canicross dog, perfect speed, perfect pull (ie I wasnt going to wipe out downhill) and not stopping to sniff without any warning from full pelt.
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Thank you for your advice I will be competing competitively as I want to compete in trials.

I have spoken with a lot of people in the Golden community who don't feel a Golden is the right breed for canicross though.

I know it will be hard though finding another breed as good as Golden's and one as biddable and quiet as them.

When I tried to train Theo I know their was a lot of dalmatians and working labs their and the one teaching me said Golden's are not the breed that comes to mind to do canicross with.

I don't know anything about dalmatians or if they even suit me but I think I would want to stick to gundog breeds though
 
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I think suitability for canicross can be very dog dependent. I have a collie so energy and stamina wise he should be a good candidate for canicross, but he has little drive to tow me along. He maintains just enough tension on the line so it’s not baggy, but doesn’t pull. So if I want to go faster he goes faster, but only enough to take up the tension. He’s too polite and lazy to pull! (Although I haven’t done a huge amount to encourage more drive).

I also am limited by his heat intolerance, so he wouldn’t be able to compete even if he was more driven, as I have to run him before 6am once the weather gets warm.
 
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Errin Paddywack said:
I have known some working Goldens and also Coltrievers, (goldies x collies). Lovely dogs, full of energy but trainable.
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Never heard of a coltrievers before they sound an interesting mix I wonder with the border collie side of them if they would be better for canicross than a purse golden?

Would it be hard to find a good breeder?
 
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I've looked in my breed book and apart from Golden's Im just not drawn to any other gundog , Ive looked at other breeds and I do like dalmatians and it was the breed recommend to me by the trainer of canicross so I'm going to do more research into them
 
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Dalmatians can be tricky dogs, imo. The one I know best is neurotic and deaf. Lovely dog, but very hard work, also needs a special diet, which I believe is common in the breed.
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Could be because the dalmatian you know is deaf why it's neurotic as the ones I know don't seem to be
 
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After thinking some more im sticking to my decision of another golden as I know that's all my heart wants and as much as Dalmatians are nice their will never be another breed that makes my heart sing like the golden and that's what I learnt the most from crufts so I'll stick to running alone and forget canicross
 
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[158444] said:
After thinking some more im sticking to my decision of another golden as I know that's all my heart wants and as much as Dalmatians are nice their will never be another breed that makes my heart sing like the golden and that's what I learnt the most from crufts so I'll stick to running alone and forget canicross
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I can't see any reason why you couldn't be reasonably competitive at canicross with a field bred golden tbh. One of the best ultra Cani-cross dogs in the UK is a Border terrier! And while I'd not think a golden would be the best long distance dog, canicross races are usually only what, 2.5km? Just go for parents with good elbow and hop scores. Mine loved it, he occasionally dived due to his nose but tbh, I would think most Gundog breeds would.
Or just run with the golden for fun. They are ace dogs, can't imagine being without a golden face to smoosh these days.
 
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YorksG said:
Dalmatians can be tricky dogs, imo. The one I know best is neurotic and deaf. Lovely dog, but very hard work, also needs a special diet, which I believe is common in the breed.
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If you go for a dally, go for a female and expect dietary issues. I looked into them when last looking and they don’t seem to be straightforward dogs, awful lot of people walking their male dally at night due to reactivity. Very lovely but bred for quite a niche job.
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What a load of tosh. Damning a breed because of one or two you may know. I’ve had dalmatians and have known many more. I have never met a reactive one and all my males have never shown any sign of being reactive. I am not saying there aren’t any but do remember that the owner could be the one causing the problem. I have never known a tricky one, whatever that means. They do have a problem with stones historically but there has been a breeding programme to address that. If you look for LUA parents you will have a good chance of getting one too. They are sensitive and do not take kindly to a bullying owner/trainer. They are very easy to train if you realise that they are very clever and can train you even better! Much brighter and easier to train than all the collies I’ve had. People love a stereotype though. Not for everyone as they are high energy but settle in the house no problem. If people buy for the looks and not the dog beneath then they are going to run into problems. If you want a lap dog this is not the dog for you.

OP they would make a great canicross dog ( I don’t speak from experience as I don’t run anywhere!) as they settle into a steady rhythm and can go for miles. I am not sure if you like golden retrievers they would be the breed for you. Have you thought of Hovawarts? There is a litter on https://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/hovawart/puppies at the moment that has some goldies in it.
 
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What a load of tosh. Damning a breed because of one or two you may know. I’ve had dalmatians and have known many more. I have never met a reactive one and all my males have never shown any sign of being reactive. I am not saying there aren’t any but do remember that the owner could be the one causing the problem. I have never known a tricky one, whatever that means. They do have a problem with stones historically but there has been a breeding programme to address that. If you look for LUA parents you will have a good chance of getting one too. They are sensitive and do not take kindly to a bullying owner/trainer. They are very easy to train if you realise that they are very clever and can train you even better! Much brighter and easier to train than all the collies I’ve had. People love a stereotype though. Not for everyone as they are high energy but settle in the house no problem. If people buy for the looks and not the dog beneath then they are going to run into problems. If you want a lap dog this is not the dog for you.

OP they would make a great canicross dog ( I don’t speak from experience as I don’t run anywhere!) as they settle into a steady rhythm and can go for miles. I am not sure if you like golden retrievers they would be the breed for you. Have you thought of Hovawarts? There is a litter on https://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/hovawart/puppies at the moment that has some goldies in it.
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i looked into hovawarts at crufts but was told to stick to goldens as they can be barky compared to goldens so not suited to me.

dalmatians i like but i know in my heart only the golden is for me as no other breed is for me im defiantly a one breed woman
 
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I have a question on working line Golden's , I do agility with Theo competitively and he loves it but we don't get very far in ranking as he's slow and I feel it could be due to his build he's built more like a showline. Am I correct in thinking since working line Golden's tend to be slender they would be quicker?
 
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HeyMich said:
This was our last golden and she was from working lines - she was darker, smaller, curlier and brighter than all of our other goldens previous to her. She would run for hours and hours, and frequently did mountain marathon training with my OH. She would have done canicross easily.

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She's gorgeous, do you think working lines would be better/quicker at agility?
 
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Mine is and always has been incredibly athletic, I am not sure there is much he can't jump/scale tbh and I've never seen him put a foot wrong (unlike the smooth lol). Mine has a lot less coat than many, he's about 70cm at the shoulder and 34kg-I would prefer him to lose 1-2kg tbh. Happiest dog in the world when he has a ball.
 
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