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Eaglestone

Eaglestone

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Horse did today
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I am trying to keep it light hearted as I am devasted as to the consequences .....
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He went out as usual this am and had an hour of grass, before going into his little paddock with his Field Shelter, hay and breakfast ......

I had a day off and as I was enjoying a break and doing my paperwork at home, and just look what he was up to
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There were two droppings in his paddock and one in the Lush Grass .... so he could have been there for a few hours .... who knows, but he has had much too much and I have everything crossed he will not go down with Laminitis.

I spoke to the Vet and she suggested Frozen Peas on his feet .. so I started with those Frozen Ice packs and then to the peas ......

.... and I am back up the stables later to remove them
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Ours escaped the other night but not onto lush stuff - can you give him bran and Epsom salts?

I walked ours round for an hour in the sand school at 11pm. She was OK. But I know exactly how you feel. You can't appreciate the upshot of one of these escapes unless you have a laminitic. As long as your grass insn't fertilised, you have probably got away with it. Don't starve him though - keep his system moving.

Fingers and toes crossed for you. It really is worrying when this happens
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OH
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You poor thing. I hope that the naughty pony is OK. I would be beside myself if Domi got out of his starvation paddock on to grass. Welldone for taking fast action with the peas! Not seen that done before
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Thank you all for your support, it is really appreciated
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Brighteyes .... I have just been up to see him and he is quiet but full of himself at the same time
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His feet are warm still, but he is resting a hind leg
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I can feel a raised pulse, but then when I feel my other horse's pulse that seems up as well (other horse, little sod was trying to eat my hair and anything that dangles, and I was trying to be serious
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). I decided to give him a Danilon, so he was not impressed with that being syringed in
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Motor has eaten some of his hay, but only since I left a 8 pm and usually he has eaten quite a lot before I go at 6
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He has been standing resting ... I am not sure if that's because he knows he has done 'wrong' or whether it's because he had peas stuck to his feet
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I only gave him a small tea, with his supplements and unusually he ate all that up in no time .... he really amazes me this little horse
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I don't have any bran ... so that was not an option ... and TBO he would have just turned his nose up at it
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As you say, it is such a worry with this condition and we love them so much don't we
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CassandraRose .... that's exactly what I thought when, my friend said to me 'Is Motor supposed to be in that bit of the field
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*slaps head *

I forgot to say bung him a bute! (I use Danilon too, but there's not the same ring to it)

The old bag won't eat for days if she suspects I have been 'adding' to her feed, however I bought a bag of Dengie Healthy Hooves as she can't/wont eat D&H Safe and Sound and Happy Hoof has got too boring. I think I could put TCP in it and she'd still eat the lot!

And yes, we do love them. My heart plummets if she does the slightest thing any differently. Today she came in from her 'hour with a muzzle on' and lay down. Having been a bit quieter than normal when I let her loose to go up the field my suspicions were already buzzing. Then she did a funny thing with her mouth and I felt sick to my stomach in case she was exhibiting signs of something sinister. Anyway, she looked OK at 'colic check' (we have them at home) so I'll head of to bed with my fingers crossed.

She went to the beach with us on Monday evening and had a paddle and a couple of good canters
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I know we don't want to lose them, but if they have had a jolly good munch in the sun today and a heart attack tomorrow, we shouldn't grumble. Cushing's etc.' is a pig
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I forgot to say bung him a bute! (I use Danilon too, but there's not the same ring to it)

The old bag won't eat for days if she suspects I have been 'adding' to her feed, however I bought a bag of Dengie Healthy Hooves as she can't/wont eat D&H Safe and Sound and Happy Hoof has got too boring. I think I could put TCP in it and she'd still eat the lot!

And yes, we do love them. My heart plummets if she does the slightest thing any differently. Today she came in from her 'hour with a muzzle on' and lay down. Having been a bit quieter than normal when I let her loose to go up the field my suspicions were already buzzing. Then she did a funny thing with her mouth and I felt sick to my stomach in case she was exhibiting signs of something sinister. Anyway, she looked OK at 'colic check' (we have them at home) so I'll head of to bed with my fingers crossed.

She went to the beach with us on Monday evening and had a paddle and a couple of good canters I know we don't want to lose them, but if they have had a jolly good munch in the sun today and a heart attack tomorrow, we shouldn't grumble. Cushing's etc.' is a pig



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Oh Brighteyes .... your words have just put shivers down my spine as everything you have said is how I feel ..... the laying down and being quiet etc .... I am sure my friends think I am paranoid as he looks perfectly ok to them
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.... well actually I am paranoid
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This morning he is as happy as larry, but I can still feel a raised pulse in his OF more more
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I walked him out on the hard surface and turned him this way and that way and he seems absolutely fine
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.... but I still have this sick feeling in my stomach that 'something' might happen yet
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He is such a funny eater as well, and does not like the HH or Healthy Hooves, so my TB has the HH and Mots has High Fibre Nuts, although he won't now eat them for breakfast but will for tea
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I have electrified the tape, although it has never needed to be and he is walking suspiciously around his little paddock ….. I am not now sure whether I can let him have his hour of grass today or not
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Oh no - I hope he is OK.
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Unfortunately anyone dealing with cushings or laminitis HAS to be paranoid - you are certainly not alone in that.

My cushings pony won't eat anything hi-fi or alfalfa based. He lives solely on High Fibre nuts too.
 
Hey Eaglestone, good to hear your pony is feeling well enough to be naughty
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Can I just say I'm a bit surprised that your vet told you to put icey things on the pony's feet: I thought the reason a laminitis case will have warm feet is due to the damage done to the blood supply and blood pooling in the feet, hence the laminae die off. I'd give acp as it supposedly increases blood flow (yet to be proven) so putting ice on seems strange to me, surely the ice will restrict blood flow further? Just a thought, I did a lot of research into it as my cushings pony went down with laminitis at the drop of a hat, but I guess as this is still such an 'unknown area' people use different techniques. All the best, I'm sure he'll be fine.
 
Bubbles ....
Thank you very much for the informaition that you have supplied, I will certainly have a chat about this aspect, next time I talk to her
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I think that the Vet felt that this was to 'nip anything in the bud' and try and stop the onset .... basically th only course of action that could be done, to try and avoid him going down with Laminitis
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Thank you all again for your help and support it is so very much appreciated and is the place to find like minded people who are suffering all the same trials and tribulations as yourself
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Cheeky horse!! You sound so careful but really there's only so much you can do to prevent the laminitis, extra grass on one day shouldn't trigger an attack unless the chemistry going on in his body is so screwed up he's right on the edge of it all the time. I agree with the poster above, normally you try to improve blood supply to the feet of recurrent laminitics, and applying ice or cold hosing constricts blood flow. They used to stand laminitics in streams to cool the feet - that went out with the likes of bran mashes. I'm really surprised the vet advised that now and I'm interested to hear what the vet says when you ask them more about the reasons for that advice. Hope your horse is OK!!!!!!
 
Thanks for your response KVS .... when I get to speak to her, which I hope with me months away
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... I will report back, if I can put her confirmed theory in writing
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I know the iced therapy thing! It's not the ancient 'stand the chronic laminitic in a stream', it's the one where you try to pre-empt a suspected imminent attack by standing them in an icy bath.

<font color="blue"> Regardless of the cause, researchers are trying to determine how to prevent the disease. Dr. Chris Pollitt from Australia has performed a study using ice on the legs to prevent laminitis. Dr. Pollitt gave 12 horses a compound known to induce laminitis. Six of the horses were not treated and the other 6 horses had all four legs placed in ice baths for 72 straight hours. The ice water was maintained just below the knee and hock and temperature was maintained just above freezing for entire the 72-hour period. All horses that were not treated developed moderate to severe laminitis, while none of the horses that were iced developed it. This shows that continuous ice therapy can prevent laminitis from developing. However, the important thing to realize from this study is that the icing must be done before laminitis develops. Although it is difficult to ice horses’ legs for 72 straight hours, icing may be indicated in certain situations. For example, if your horse breaks into the feed room and eats an excessive amount of grain, icing the legs immediately with ice boots is an option that may prevent laminitis.

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ACP is a vasodilator and lowers the BP, so use on oldies with caution, but as a theraputic drug for laminitics, it helps the blood flow through the laminae and also dopes them a bit and may encourage them to lie down.

Here's to vet's coming on an annual vaccination booster basis only!
 
Thank you for finding that Brighteyes ..... you are a star
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.... makes be feel alot better.

I would do anything the Vet in question tells me as she is absolutely fabulous ..... she can walk round the corner and virtually be 100% confident about the condition the horse has .... I know it is a slight exaggeration, however I would recommend her to anyone anywhere, and it would be lovely if I could 'name' her
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... but if anyone is in my area and want a good Practice I would name her on a PM
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You have done all the right things, am also glad you did not give him bran,if he does not already have it in his diet, you would have made a change and upset his gut flora which can actually trigger laminitis
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Ponies are little B*gg*rs aren't they? Mine used to do exactly the same - will keep everything crossed for you
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Ooh, naughty boy! Hope he's ok. He seems very relaxed about having bags of peas taped to his feet, don't think I'd get away with that on my boy!
 
We have the same problem with a retired laminetic/cushings/every condition under the sun horse!

He was also poulticed with ice packs so your doing all the right things.
 
Fingers crossed he doesn't suffer any ill effects. I know just how you feel, yesterday I put my cushings pony out in the grass field with her muzzle on. I left her longer than usual without checking her (she is a horror for taking muzzle off) because I was watching badminton. When I went to get her in she had pushed muzzle sideways and was stuffing grass in as fast as she could. Brought her in and she just stood quietly, didn't want her hifi. Common sense told me she just had a full belly but was panicking all night, and was creeping round with a torch later to check on her. She seems fine today, and havae tightened straps on muzzle. That is a really good tip about the ice, I hopefully won't need it but definitely worht knowing.
 
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