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I sold my 9 YO, 13hh chestnut NF gelding in September for £500.00 inc. tack and all rugs, as he can be a pain to catch at times. A lady came to try him liked him but said he wasnt forward going enough for her daughter so off she went. She then rang and said a friend of hers who owns a small livery/riding yard would buy him for a girl on her yard. She sounded nice and came and fetched him the next day. " weeks after, she rang and said that a vet on her yard thought he had been buted to sell as his hind action was funny. I was shocked but told her on now account was this the case and she could take him for tests or whatever. I only ever had the vet out to geld him as a 2 YO. This little horse was my baby and i only sold him as my neice no longer rode him and I fel the was wasted. That was that and today she rang and said she thinks he is a mild headshaker. In the 6yrs I owned him he never did anything, other than bunting his nose when you first go into trot. She said he is 100% in all other ways but says that he isnt going to be suitable as she has had headshakers before. She did say she would give up on him just yet but if he got any worse she would need to move him on, and she mentioned leominster sales - which I would never let happen. So..despite not being able to afford another horse again, do I buy him back - and then if I do, what do I do with him, I only wanted a good loving home for him where he wont be wasted. I loved him so much it was so hard to let him go, or should I just move on and let her pass him on should she decide to. She seems a nice lady, but this is stress I just dont need at the mo.....help!?
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I would say the horse was sold as seen and let them get on with it, personally. IMHO by taking it back, you are being bullied. If you want him back say you will give them £500 and you want everything back with him that you sold, or £250 without.

Out of interest, he was VERY cheap, even being a bugger to catch, if he was good in every other way why didnt you sell him for more?
 
Ye gods some people are never happy..if it was possible I would just buy him back and loan him or find a perfect home. The fact that the sales is mentioned would mortify me.
 
aaah what a horrible situation
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id agree say you will only pay £500 or less and get all your stuff back, then put him back up for sale and hopefully find the right home (or as £500 isnt really much, why not loan him out instead?)
 
Tell her to go forth.......

Or buy him back.

Talk about trying it on. Some people are just shameless (her obviously, not you).

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I presume he wasnt vetted, if not then its Buyer beware...but I personally would want him back.

Dont know your situation and it may not be possible, could someone pay towards his keep at yours and ride him maybe. I know some people would just walk from this but its so hard when you love them and are aware of all the awful places they can end up. I sold a pony 6 years ago and made them sign a contract that he could not be sold until i had had first refusal. Luckily they have always stayed in touch and have honoured it and I know where and how he is.
 
i would say the same as sallysmith, it is really horrible when you have made a heart wrenching decision to sell an animal you love only to have the new owners ringing up and worrying you.

have an honest conversation with her, tell her that the pony was sold as seen, for not a lot of money, and that she can contact your vets and they will say that the pony has never had an medical problems.

then i would give her the choice of either keeping him, getting on with it and to stop phoning about silly things or to sell him back to you so that you can find him a decent home.

some people just cannot accept that it's not easy getting to know a new horse or pony and that no horse / pony is perfect x
 
I am going to look like a right knobber here, I know. I am sorry if this sounds harsh but I refuse to be softy softy about this....

I sell a few horses and there are some key things here.

You wanted him to go for what is effectively less than meat money to a good home. The woman 'sounded nice' and came to collect the pony the next day.

In my experience, if you were selling a cheap horse to a "good" home, you would have at least dropped it off, so you could see where it was going, and not let it go unseen to a child who had never seen it. "To a good home" means to one the vendor (you) has assesed - in the way of the rider suiting the horse, location of where it would be kept, and what they want to do with him. NOT a friend of a viewer calling up and collecting unseen, the next day, for a minimum amount of money for a "child on their yard" .

Much as buyers have to be aware of dodgy sellers, sellers have to be equally aware of dodgy buyers.

I sell horses, for cheap money, as most are ex racers. I have turned people down who are not suitable dispite offers, I drop my horses off at their new homes and wouldnt hesitate in turning the lorry round if I turned up at a yard which I knew would be unsuitable. I see A LOT of people who are looking for a cheap horse, and havent got a clue...I tell people just by speaking on the 'phone that the horse has gone (even if it hasnt) if they sound in any way like they are looking for a cheap deal.

I am sorry, but selling a horse to a child unseen, for that cheap momey, in my opinion was always going to end in disaster - either this way (by clearly mad buyer) or by child not getting on with pony (which would have ended up with the same result, to be honest)

IMHO they took you for a mug, saw a too cheap pony, bought it, it is not what they want and they have probably buggered it up so it is worth less than when you sold it initially.

Do not be a mug agin by buying this horse back - whats done is done, and whilst they threaten you with the sales it will cost more for them to get the pony there. have it listed, and sell it, than it will if they sell it privately. The key rule with selling horses is "never to look back"...although I am really lucky as have sold 2 ponies this year and am friends with both the owners now...as well as rehoming racehorses on my yard and watching their progress.

You sold the horse on, and if you want any sound advice, it would be not to sell horses for cheap, unseen again. I am sorry to sound harsh, but unless you vet people, you will get taken for a fool.
 
For £500, if it was me I'd buy him back, and I'm sure you'll find some more nice people if you advertise him again in the spring.

Having said that you're under no obligation to buy him.

I suppose they didn't have him vetted, so they can't prove he was druged or not druged, and it sounds like they didn't even try him properly if the buyers arranged to pick him up without even seeing him previously. Alarm bells.
 
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I am going to look like a right knobber here, I know. I am sorry if this sounds harsh but I refuse to be softy softy about this....

I sell a few horses and there are some key things here.

You wanted him to go for what is effectively less than meat money to a good home. The woman 'sounded nice' and came to collect the pony the next day.

In my experience, if you were selling a cheap horse to a "good" home, you would have at least dropped it off, so you could see where it was going, and not let it go unseen to a child who had never seen it. "To a good home" means to one the vendor (you) has assesed - in the way of the rider suiting the horse, location of where it would be kept, and what they want to do with him. NOT a friend of a viewer calling up and collecting unseen, the next day, for a minimum amount of money for a "child on their yard" .

Much as buyers have to be aware of dodgy sellers, sellers have to be equally aware of dodgy buyers.

I sell horses, for cheap money, as most are ex racers. I have turned people down who are not suitable dispite offers, I drop my horses off at their new homes and wouldnt hesitate in turning the lorry round if I turned up at a yard which I knew would be unsuitable. I see A LOT of people who are looking for a cheap horse, and havent got a clue...I tell people just by speaking on the 'phone that the horse has gone (even if it hasnt) if they sound in any way like they are looking for a cheap deal.

I am sorry, but selling a horse to a child unseen, for that cheap momey, in my opinion was always going to end in disaster - either this way (by clearly mad buyer) or by child not getting on with pony (which would have ended up with the same result, to be honest)

IMHO they took you for a mug, saw a too cheap pony, bought it, it is not what they want and they have probably buggered it up so it is worth less than when you sold it initially.

Do not be a mug agin by buying this horse back - whats done is done, and whilst they threaten you with the sales it will cost more for them to get the pony there. have it listed, and sell it, than it will if they sell it privately. The key rule with selling horses is "never to look back"...although I am really lucky as have sold 2 ponies this year and am friends with both the owners now...as well as rehoming racehorses on my yard and watching their progress.

You sold the horse on, and if you want any sound advice, it would be not to sell horses for cheap, unseen again. I am sorry to sound harsh, but unless you vet people, you will get taken for a fool.

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thanks for your opinion, i have no transport to drop my horses off, and as it was to a livery/registered riding yard I thought it would be ok. yes, in hindsight it was silly but then hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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harsh is fine, and I will try to keep the never look back in my head, and not let my soft old heart win!
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LOL If you want to be soft and sentimental I have a 2 year old ex racer that needs loving in my field...she is MUCH (I am talking less than half) less money than you sold the NF for....to good home only!
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She is wintered out, hairy and fat
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sold as seen and tried! if they try to force pony back on you make an offer of half what they paid to cover your costs to re advertise! it will cost them between 40 and 100 pounds to put it in a sale and between 5 and 10 per cent commission on sale at auction.plus time and transport.
 
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