Goodbye Guantanamo Bay!
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muffinino
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*Raises a toast and waves bye bye*
YorksG
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America is going to honour the terms of the Geneva Convention, thank goodness for that, it is beyond me that they ever made the decision to not do.
perfect11s
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Great so good to see justice for the poor inmates hopefully they can get back to a normal life, bombing , beheading, stopping women getting a education.. etc
Tinkerbee
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Great so good to see justice for the poor inmates hopefully they can get back to a normal life, bombing , beheading, stopping women getting a education.. etc
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Great so good to see justice for the poor inmates hopefully they can get back to a normal life, bombing , beheading, stopping women getting a education.. etc
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Fairynuff
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I second your smillies TinkerBee! It never ceases to amaze me that people can still be so shallow minded and callous
. Im sure that there are many innocent people held in that American torture camp as there are in British jails. Mairi.
perfect11s
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So what your saying Mari is there all guilty???.... maybe they are but I would give them a fair trial first then close the camp, it has been disgusting that they have been there years with out a trial even if they are the most horrible terrorist scum, we and the USA should show fairness... set a good example ....
Fairynuff
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goodness. you have completely flummoxed me! What language did you read my post in? "We and the Usa should........"!!! Now thats what I call 'self importance' Mairi.
Kate260881
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Fantastic news but some people's reactions to surprise me. I told one guy and his reaction was 'yeah.. so the President won't know about it, it will still happen behind closed doors'. Regardless of whether that is true or not this is a major step in the right direction and momentus occassions like this should be celebrated not dismissed as nothing.
Yes, they may all be guilty, but they are still human beings and still deserve a fair trial and their basic human rights upheld. Regardless of what they were planning the US has no right to torture people. It is a much better example to rise about what other people have done/were planning etc and deal with them fairly.
Yes, they may all be guilty, but they are still human beings and still deserve a fair trial and their basic human rights upheld. Regardless of what they were planning the US has no right to torture people. It is a much better example to rise about what other people have done/were planning etc and deal with them fairly.
BBH
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For a lot of people this is all they know about Muslims, these views are not so uncommon as we might think.
Fairynuff
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I would like to make it clear that I DO NOT think that all those who are held in GB are guilty. Most of them are probably innocent. The Americans do like to make a show.Remember the McCarthy trials?????????? If not, look it up on google, its frightening what can happen in a so called civilised country
. Mairi.
PS, not aimed at you Bumpy
PS, not aimed at you Bumpy
qwertyuiop
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America is going to honour the terms of the Geneva Convention, thank goodness for that, it is beyond me that they ever made the decision to not do.
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I thought the whole point of that place was the Geneva convention does not apply to them as they are not members of a regular military force. I don't know whether the convention has changed, but it certainly used to be the case that "illegal combatants" captured in a warzone could be summarily executed (i.e. no trial, shot or hanged on the spot).
America is going to honour the terms of the Geneva Convention, thank goodness for that, it is beyond me that they ever made the decision to not do.
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I thought the whole point of that place was the Geneva convention does not apply to them as they are not members of a regular military force. I don't know whether the convention has changed, but it certainly used to be the case that "illegal combatants" captured in a warzone could be summarily executed (i.e. no trial, shot or hanged on the spot).
Trakehner
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The Geneva convention doesn't apply to terrorists...so waving that bloody flag carries nothing but emotion.
Recall many of the priorly released non-terrorists have gone back to bombing, killing and one is the second in command or terrorists in Yemen.
These are bad guys, they'd happily kill everyone here and their children..all for Allah. Recall that idiot "shoe bomber" who couldn't get his shoe's fuse lit...his mum whines, "but he's a good boy". Think of the attackers blowing up busses and the tube...are their supporters innocent little people who need to be released? No.
What other nations have voluntered to take these terrorists? Basically none. France runs from their Islamic terrorists while they burn hundreds of cars (and won't dare mention their commonality of religion). Recall the Gaza Muslims protesting and the police running from the Pakistani's.
Unless any nation would take the terrorists, they should just shut up about the people holding these scum to protect the civilised world.
Recall many of the priorly released non-terrorists have gone back to bombing, killing and one is the second in command or terrorists in Yemen.
These are bad guys, they'd happily kill everyone here and their children..all for Allah. Recall that idiot "shoe bomber" who couldn't get his shoe's fuse lit...his mum whines, "but he's a good boy". Think of the attackers blowing up busses and the tube...are their supporters innocent little people who need to be released? No.
What other nations have voluntered to take these terrorists? Basically none. France runs from their Islamic terrorists while they burn hundreds of cars (and won't dare mention their commonality of religion). Recall the Gaza Muslims protesting and the police running from the Pakistani's.
Unless any nation would take the terrorists, they should just shut up about the people holding these scum to protect the civilised world.
Booboos
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All I can say is: goodbye right wing nutter Bush, hello liberal Obama! I for one I am so happy!
If there is evidence against these people I am all for a trial, if they offend in the future I am all for a trial, but without that,people are innocent until proven guilty.
If there is evidence against these people I am all for a trial, if they offend in the future I am all for a trial, but without that,people are innocent until proven guilty.
emma69
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The Geneva Conventions has several parts, one deals exclusively with Prisoners of War, and one deals with civillians (non combatants). The Geneva Conventions assert that there is no in between catagory, they either fall under the treatment of POWs or the treatment of civillians. Mainly because of the doubt about what to do with people who do not adhere to the rules of warfare, Protocol 1 was introduced ( a while back, 1970s I think?), which says that regardless of whether the 'unlawful combatants' - i.e. those who do not adhere to the rules of warfare, should still be afforded the same rights. This Protocol defends the rights of a huge number of people, including groups similar to the French Resistance during WW2.
The UK, along with over 100 other countries, ratified Protocol 1, the US did not. However, there are gazillions (official term, of course) of other conventions, protocols, rulings etc that deal with how all people should be treated. It's just Geneva had the best press secretary
It is TOTALLY clear in my mind that the actions at Guantanamo are wrong, in many ways, and I am VERY glad steps are being taken to end it.
The UK, along with over 100 other countries, ratified Protocol 1, the US did not. However, there are gazillions (official term, of course) of other conventions, protocols, rulings etc that deal with how all people should be treated. It's just Geneva had the best press secretary