Goodbye to beaglers[BD]

[carthorse]

Only going to be allowed in advanced dressage in new rule book. Nanny state what has happened to freedom of choice.

 

[eva]

hmm, I wonder if dressage people in Germany have more accidents because they're allowed to ride without anything at all?

 

[ArcticFox]

I'm quite happy to ride with a normal riding hat. the option of not being able to ride with a beagler doesn't bother me.

 

[robthecob]

I think in this day and age safety trumps tradition.

 

[carthorse]

What about vaulting ,why no hat at all?

 

[dominobrown]

I have never ridden in a beagler, but I am up for freedom of choice.
If you were really bothered about being safe its best not to get on a horse at all! Joking, but sometimes no matter what you wear it's not exactly the safest thing in the world!

 

[SpottedCat]

Interesting - wonder if this will prompt a rule change from BE as they currently allow them in Novice and above.

I am all for it personally, it's a good thing, much like seat belts on cars becoming compulsory was a good thing. Unless you need an organ transplant, then, not so much!

 

[carthorse]

I have never ridden in a beagler, but I am up for freedom of choice.
If you were really bothered about being safe its best not to get on a horse at all! Joking, but sometimes no matter what you wear it's not exactly the safest thing in the world!

Brilliant

 

[robthecob]

I'd still rather the protection should I manage to land on my head.. Agree with the vaulting tho surely that's one sport where you are guarenteed to land on your head at some point.. Saying that I guess you could not wear one to vault due to the weight unbalancing the vaulter. I guess the horses are high school though and fairly unflappable since people jump around on there back.. I would still want a hat though.. More so infact

 

[monkeymad]

Well I for one will miss wearing my beagler, sorry but I think it looks smarter.

 

[SpottedCat]

What about vaulting ,why no hat at all?

Presumably for the same reason gymnasts don't wear helmets?

 

[barneyhunter]

I love the way that they have decided that above Advanced BD you are able to stay on your horse and above Novice BE. Sorry but I'm sure I've seen horses at badminton standing on their hindlegs!!

I think anyone under 18 or 21 should wear a proper helmet, us oldies should be allowed to make our own decisions what we wear as long as it is smart. I'm expecting my insurance co will probably dictate my riding wear though and I wonder how far they will go - no jeans?

 

[star]

well, that was a waste of money! i've only worn mine a handful of times but I do think they look so much nicer. Just because you get to Advanced doesn't mean your horse isn't going to throw you off! What happened to freedom of choice?

 

[MegaBeast]

well, that was a waste of money! i've only worn mine a handful of times but I do think they look so much nicer. Just because you get to Advanced doesn't mean your horse isn't going to throw you off! What happened to freedom of choice?

Exactly! It should either be across the board or at the individual (adults) decision. I don't buy into this "those at lower levels are more at risk due to lack of experience on either the horse or the riders part".

 

[BronsonNutter]

Having seen someone getting chucked off their horse out showing last weekend and her beagler coming flying off before she hit the floor, I don't see as to how they are any different to riding without a hat... Luckily she was okay as she missed the fence and the horse went the other way, but it would have somewhat traumatised any children (and adults!) about if they had to see someones head get caved in mid show.
A navy hat with a skin coloured strap looks just as smart imo (and is far more forgiving on those with larger ears ) and is safer - it's dangerous enough as it is... There are so many things you can't control, even at dressage - be it a trip, something spooking your horse, another horse careering into yours etc - just not worth the risk...

Another thing I don't understand is why so many people at CCIs wear beaglers to hack the horses about or school them on their days off? Saw a fair few very explosive horses been ridden by people in beaglers at some of the 3-days this year, when they could have just put on their XC or SJ hat instead

 

[TheoryX1]

What happened to freedom of choice? Would your family have freedom of choice if you had a fall whilst wearing a beagler and you sustained brain damage or even worse. Would they have freedom of choice whilst they changed your nappies, fed you baby food and cared for you for the rest of theirs and your days?

I agree they look gorgeous, but if you are a mother who has seen her daughter fall, crack her HS1 in half not far from where you were standing, and you know full well that the only reason your daughter is alive today is due to her wearing one of the best protective hats on the market, plus her Point Two inflating saved her breaking her neck, I am sure you will have a totally different view point.

 

[SpottedCat]

Exactly! It should either be across the board or at the individual (adults) decision. I don't buy into this "those at lower levels are more at risk due to lack of experience on either the horse or the riders part".

I'm not sure that's the rationale is it? I'd assumed it was to do with being allowed to wear a top hat at the higher levels, and therefore for the rule to make any sense at all, you can't mandate a crash hat at the same level that a top hat could be worn.

Thus Novice BE (one star = top hat) and Advanced dressage.

 

[charlie76]

Grrrrr. More expense. Agree it should either be one rule for all or freedom of choice. The level You ride at should not come into it. I ride horses that compete psg at home and advanced event horses but because my current horse I compete is elementary standard I am deemed more likely to fall off than the people in the higher classes or maybe when you get to a certain level your skull hardens up!

 

[MegaBeast]

I'm not sure that's the rationale is it? I'd assumed it was to do with being allowed to wear a top hat at the higher levels, and therefore for the rule to make any sense at all, you can't mandate a crash hat at the same level that a top hat could be worn.

Thus Novice BE (one star = top hat) and Advanced dressage.

agreed, but surely top hats should be banned too if they're truly concerned about safety. What I said about the lower levels being at greater risk was down to a comment from someone about there being more young and potentially spookier horses at that level hence still allowing top hats further up the scale where horses are more established but can't remember where I heard it, probably here somewhere!

 

[SpottedCat]

I suspect it is only a matter of time before top hats get banned. Someone has already made a top hat which conforms to safety standards and has a harness. Give it 5 years and I bet crash hats will be mandatory and either those manufacturers will be laughing all the way to the bank....or people will have got over it and wear crash hats!

 

[MegaBeast]

What happened to freedom of choice? Would your family have freedom of choice if you had a fall whilst wearing a beagler and you sustained brain damage or even worse. Would they have freedom of choice whilst they changed your nappies, fed you baby food and cared for you for the rest of theirs and your days?

I agree they look gorgeous, but if you are a mother who has seen her daughter fall, crack her HS1 in half not far from where you were standing, and you know full well that the only reason your daughter is alive today is due to her wearing one of the best protective hats on the market, plus her Point Two inflating saved her breaking her neck, I am sure you will have a totally different view point.

Whilst I rationally agree and totally sympathise with your view, this is dressage vs jumping where really there's little comparison in terms of inherent risk. It always will be an emotive subject though snd strictly speaking there's only one right answer which is of course "proper" hats across the board but I'm afraid I just can't agree!

 

[MegaBeast]

I suspect it is only a matter of time before top hats get banned. Someone has already made a top hat which conforms to safety standards and has a harness. Give it 5 years and I bet crash hats will be mandatory and either those manufacturers will be laughing all the way to the bank....or people will have got over it and wear crash hats!

Think you could be right there.... give it ten years and it'll be full face crash helmets.... anyone fancy joining me in designing one?!

 

[BronsonNutter]

Think you could be right there.... give it ten years and it'll be full face crash helmets.... anyone fancy joining me in designing one?!

Do you reckon we could get away with tippexing a kitemark inside a motorbike helmet? On the upside, if it did come to that, I'd never be caught on camera doing my gorm-face mid jump

 

[coreteam1]

I didn't use one as my boy can be beastly at times, although I did go and try them on occasionally just for effect

However it never looked as nice on me as it did on my sister, who is now gutted she won't be wearing hers anymore MMwwahhhh (evil laughter echos through my house)

 

[HappyHorses:)]

I think this will be the standard outfit for competing in soon as set by BD, BE and BS . . . comfy landing

 

[TheoryX1]

HappyHorses - I didnt give you permission to post a copyrighted photograph of me before the diet.

 

[HappyHorses:)]

HappyHorses - I didnt give you permission to post a copyrighted photograph of me before the diet.

Busted!!!

 

[ScarlettLady]

Having seen someone getting chucked off their horse out showing last weekend and her beagler coming flying off before she hit the floor, I don't see as to how they are any different to riding without a hat... Luckily she was okay as she missed the fence and the horse went the other way, but it would have somewhat traumatised any children (and adults!) about if they had to see someones head get caved in mid show.
A navy hat with a skin coloured strap looks just as smart imo (and is far more forgiving on those with larger ears ) and is safer - it's dangerous enough as it is... There are so many things you can't control, even at dressage - be it a trip, something spooking your horse, another horse careering into yours etc - just not worth the risk...

Another thing I don't understand is why so many people at CCIs wear beaglers to hack the horses about or school them on their days off? Saw a fair few very explosive horses been ridden by people in beaglers at some of the 3-days this year, when they could have just put on their XC or SJ hat instead

This ^^^^

At our local agricultural show a woman was thrown from her horse in the grand parade, final line up, and the beagler hit the ground before her, and several meters away from her....
There were lots of comments made abt health and safety!!

 

[brushingboots]

Health and Safety gone nuts! TBH, i'm very for 'its your own choice' I think beaglers look very smart, and wearing it at Advanced is a bit kinda.. ?! I think I could deal with maybe at Elementary+ or Novice+ but Advanced..!

 

[Amaranta]

Bugger! I shall miss my beagler