Goose/Jumpers rump?

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Been told by quite a few people Mr Tag has "jumpers rump". It came about when I asked about a lump (like a vertebrae that seems to stick out?) and its just been dismissed as jumpers rump as he is apparently very high in his back end.
Can someone shed some light on this? Does it cause any problems? Is there any way to disguise it?

Just to add the lump doesn't cause him any bother whatsoever.

Some photos of him looking bum high
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Weird lump is also somewhat visible on this photo, if you look closely enough before his quarters you can see a small rise (if you look at the photos below you can spot it easy).

Said weird lump (excuse the badly drawn arrow) but note how his back goes normal, then weird lump occurs, then drops and goes normal?
It is bigger than it looks in the picture, just to add.
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So, does he has a goose/jumpers rump?
 
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justabob said:
Oh god I am sorry!! He seems tied in at the knee, long pasterns and his hocks are not right which makes him hollow in the back.
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I had him vetted when I bought him and he passed flexatition tests and a trot up with flying colours, vet said he was completely fine? Has never come up lame or had any issues whilst I've owned him. He is prone to very slight tying up but it is under control with stable bandages (he lives out 24/7 before he came to us and he is still adjusting).

His conformation isn't the best unfortunately.
 
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My friend had a mare with this she competed fine at 1.10 -1.20 till she was 16, then she went downhill very rapidly and was diagnosed with bad KS right where the lump was and it was not treated as at best she might of managed to be a light hack but her temperament was such that was not possible so she was PTS.
 
Florrie said:
I had him vetted when I bought him and he passed flexatition tests and a trot up with flying colours, vet said he was completely fine? Has never come up lame or had any issues whilst I've owned him. He is prone to very slight tying up but it is under control with stable bandages (he lives out 24/7 before he came to us and he is still adjusting).

His conformation isn't the best unfortunately.
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Just to add I don't like his poverty line either. How old is he? I hate flexion tests, they prove nothing and cause problems. I really did not mean to be rude, you just asked.
 
If he's sound and happy, don't waste any time worrying about minor conformation faults, especially as he passed a vetting for the job that you want him to do.
 
The lump behind the lump with the arrow is what I'd possibly call a jumper's bump, and in all honesty he just looks like he need to be packing more behind to cover it up. Reg and Bee have one atm, as they're not in work. Once they're back and building muscle up again it'll all but go...
 
That doesn't look at all like what I understand to be a jumpers rump/goose. This usually refers to the peaked shape doesn't it - the shape of the behind. Not an actual lump like yours is and not where yours is either. Sorry I can't help with what it actually might be though!
 
justabob said:
Just to add I don't like his poverty line either. How old is he? I hate flexion tests, they prove nothing and cause problems. I really did not mean to be rude, you just asked.
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I didn't ask for a full conformation review. I asked for help on which may be a jumpers rump or not. Pure and simple. I don't need more worry on my plate as it is. He is a happy, healthy horse and I have encountered no problems with him so far.
He is an 11 Y/O ex-racehorse. Out of work for a year and a half before I bought him. He's been slowly bought back into work for 4 months, being worked or lunged 3-4 days a week. Photos don't do him any justice, he is standing on uneven ground on the first photo and on the second photo we just finished doing hill work and the ground where his front legs were, is uneven too.

Festive Faracat said:
If he's sound and happy, don't waste any time worrying about minor conformation faults, especially as he passed a vetting for the job that you want him to do.
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Thanks Faracat, just wanted some sort of mind ease as I panic about small things, as seen above.

Lolo said:
The lump behind the lump with the arrow is what I'd possibly call a jumper's bump, and in all honesty he just looks like he need to be packing more behind to cover it up. Reg and Bee have one atm, as they're not in work. Once they're back and building muscle up again it'll all but go...
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He was out of work for a long time before I bought him, he's currently developing topline and rebuilding all his muscle :)
 
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justabob said:
Just to add I don't like his poverty line either. How old is he? I hate flexion tests, they prove nothing and cause problems. I really did not mean to be rude, you just asked.
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What is a poverty line?

...oh and I know nothing but FWIW he just looks weak behind the saddle to me, what u would expect from ax ex racer. Lots of hill work, and riding long and low.
 
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Well perhaps you might like to take my comments and keep them in your mind. Also if you don't want a frank answer don't ask.
 
avthechav said:
What is a poverty line?

...oh and I know nothing but FWIW he just looks weak behind the saddle to me, what u would expect from ax ex racer. Lots of hill work, and riding long and low.
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That is what we have been doing with him :) The first photo was around 2 months ago, he has muscled up so much since then and looks almost a different horse.
 
justabob said:
Well perhaps you might like to take my comments and keep them in your mind. Also if you don't want a frank answer don't ask.
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My query was in the start of the thread, you ignored that and give critism I didn't want or require.
The 'frank' answer I was looking for was either "Yes he has a jumpers rump" or "No he doesn't have a jumpers rump".
 
Florrie said:
That is what we have been doing with him :) The first photo was around 2 months ago, he has muscled up so much since then and looks almost a different horse.
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What was he like as a racer?- Av was an ex racer and she started off like a little whippet with a weedy neck and after 4 years of proper feed, hill work and havin fun she was like a little bouncy ball. Ginge is ISHxKWPN and had a real dip behind the saddle when I got him with a bump on his bum that was level with the top of the cantle!! Without doing anything special, just hill work, schooling and going out and doing stuff Ginge looks stronger all the time and has a lovely round peachy bum these days- although we still have lots to do!

Keep going, if you're seeing results in 2 months you must be going the right way.
 
avthechav said:
What is a poverty line?

...oh and I know nothing but FWIW he just looks weak behind the saddle to me, what you would expect from an ex racer. Lots of hill work, and riding long and low.
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A poverty line is the one down the back of his rump, where the deep line is. Totally understandable if he's been out of work for a while- it'll build back up as he gets fitter and develops more correct muscle.

(kinda resent the 'what would expect from an ex-racer... More 'what would expect from any horse out of work for a while' :) )
 
Lolo said:
The lump behind the lump with the arrow is what I'd possibly call a jumper's bump, and in all honesty he just looks like he need to be packing more behind to cover it up. Reg and Bee have one atm, as they're not in work. Once they're back and building muscle up again it'll all but go...
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This ^^. Id asked a similar question to my RI a while back, and with some schooling the muscles built up and it disappeared.
 
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No, this is not what a "jumper's bump" is at all. He just has a lack of muscle, none over his top at all which means you can see every lump and bump. A jumpers bump, or goose rump, is just a steep angled croup - and has no bearing on a horse's ability to jump at all anyway; it's an old dealers' ruse to talk up a conformation deficiency.
 
avthechav said:
What was he like as a racer?- Av was an ex racer and she started off like a little whippet with a weedy neck and after 4 years of proper feed, hill work and havin fun she was like a little bouncy ball. Ginge is ISHxKWPN and had a real dip behind the saddle when I got him with a bump on his bum that was level with the top of the cantle!! Without doing anything special, just hill work, schooling and going out and doing stuff Ginge looks stronger all the time and has a lovely round peachy bum these days- although we still have lots to do!

Keep going, if you're seeing results in 2 months you must be going the right way.
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Thank you for the encouragement Av, very much appreciated.
Tag raced from 2003 - 2010 then retired and was bought from Newmarket sales and sat in a field for 2 years, going out hacking once a month. So you can imagine the extreme amount of muscle wastage. I have picture from when I first bought him and I can't believe how good he's looking. He's muscling up really well in his neck (when they start to muscle up you really see it in the neck first, sign we're doing something right!) and his shape also seems much rounder as in comparison to when we first bought him and he was a funny "triangle" shape as I call it. He's rounding up nicely along his bum and filling out on his back (to the extent where we've had to move up a gullet size with his Thorowgood saddle, ooh!:p) I'll try and get some photos of him tomorrow on level ground as I've been told his conformation isn't bad at all.

He's treated to an hour a hill work once per week (we're lucky to have a very steep grass hill near out yard which the farmer kindly lets us use) and at the minute we're doing lots of trot work up it, as it is teaching him to engage his quarters in pushing himself from behind. Also gets lunged in very slack side reins twice a week and then a ridden schooling session.

Lolo said:
A poverty line is the one down the back of his rump, where the deep line is. Totally understandable if he's been out of work for a while- it'll build back up as he gets fitter and develops more correct muscle.

(kinda resent the 'what would expect from an ex-racer... More 'what would expect from any horse out of work for a while' :) )
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Thank you Lolo, glad to know my horse isn't as badly put together as some make out :D
 
Lolo said:
A poverty line is the one down the back of his rump, where the deep line is. Totally understandable if he's been out of work for a while- it'll build back up as he gets fitter and develops more correct muscle.

(kinda resent the 'what would expect from an ex-racer... More 'what would expect from any horse out of work for a while' :) )
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Ah i see- not heard it called that before.

Well I can only comment on what I have seen and I am certainly not saying that I know anything about conformation at all..to be honest if they have a pretty face I find it VERY hard to look any further:p, but I have found with my experience of Av Vs Ginge and other ex racers that I have seen that they do tend to be lacking in topline and often weak behind the saddle- maybe due to training being less about ability to collect? However I do agree with you that this is not restricted to ex racers- and like I said previously, Ginge still needing lots of work on building up muscle and he is certinaly not an ex racer.
 
Reg and Bee were similar, in they had little to no topline. But it built up pretty quickly- it's not so much an ex-racer thing!

Florrie, if you ever get bored, I've chronicled my sister's journey with her ex-racer(s!) on here- the initial photos show how under-muscled he was, after a very similar story to your lad. He's now an absolute hulk :D
 
avthechav said:
Ah i see- not heard it called that before.

Well I can only comment on what I have seen and I am certainly not saying that I know anything about conformation at all..to be honest if they have a pretty face I find it VERY hard to look any further:p, but I have found with my experience of Av Vs Ginge and other ex racers that I have seen that they do tend to be lacking in topline and often weak behind the saddle- maybe due to training being less about ability to collect? However I do agree with you that this is not restricted to ex racers- and like I said previously, Ginge still needing lots of work on building up muscle and he is certinaly not an ex racer.
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That is what I found with Tag! His pretty face charmed me, I just had to have him! He is building topline a lot slower in his back end however he is rounding up nicely like I said before so we are on the right track.

dominobrown said:
Strapping daily helps, it would certainly help him. :)
However with his conformation he would never make a show horse, but that doesn't matter if you don't want to show!
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Strapping? Explaination needed please!:D
And I don't really plan to show. He has a lovely flair for Dressage (very floaty, springy paces) and he has an excellent jump on him (He loose jumps 1.15m with ease) I think he'd make quite a good event horse IMO but whatever he excels in and he is happy with doing I'd take him further in that sphere :)
 
Lolo said:
Reg and Bee were similar, in they had little to no topline. But it built up pretty quickly- it's not so much an ex-racer thing!

Florrie, if you ever get bored, I've chronicled my sister's journey with her ex-racer(s!) on here- the initial photos show how under-muscled he was, after a very similar story to your lad. He's now an absolute hulk
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I'd love to see their journey! Link please?
It is still early days with him and I don't think many people understand that. Especially when he's been out of proper work for 2 years crikey I'd like to see what a certain persons horse would look like if it was left out of work for that long :rolleyes:
But Tags sweet temperament makes up for everything, he's handled by the Y/O's 5 year old son! Dope on a rope :D
 
Here is a video of strapping...
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-strap-your-horse

We do it on the racehorses in work because some of them have really bad jumpers bumps etc, and it really helps to build them up.

His hindleg conformation can actually be advantageous for jumping, although weaker so don't worry to much. Conformation is a weird thing- I know of lots of horses with awful conformation but are never lame.
In fact some of the eventers at the very top level are oddly put together. If he has the right attitude you are on to a winner :)
 
dominobrown said:
Here is a video of strapping...
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-strap-your-horse

We do it on the racehorses in work because some of them have really bad jumpers bumps etc, and it really helps to build them up.

His hindleg conformation can actually be advantageous for jumping, although weaker so don't worry to much. Conformation is a weird thing- I know of lots of horses with awful conformation but are never lame.
In fact some of the eventers at the very top level are oddly put together. If he has the right attitude you are on to a winner :)
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Thanks I'll have a look now!
In all honesty he has taken to his new life like a duck to water, couldn't of asked for a horse with a better attitude towards his work. He gives 110% in everything he does (with the odd occasion that he decides to be a twit!) so I definitely think I'm onto a winner with him. The first thing I noticed about him is how quiet and down to earth he is :)
 
Agree with cortez, its not a jumpers bump. But when his topline has built up, it will go. And whilst I'd be a hypocrite to say people shouldn't comment on things the op hasn't asked about, it should only be where either op or horse will benefit. Off topic constructive criticism is useful. But pointing out confirmation faults on a horse op already owns isn't constructive at all. Just rude imo.
 
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