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I just read this in my local paper, and I am sorry but it angered me as all it needs is for the DoT to make a temporary allowance!! Yet they would rather let millions of animals suffer and waste away!

CULL OF STRANDED HILL LAMBS URGED


08:50 - 19 September 2007

A Leading figure in farming called for an urgent "welfare cull" of light hill lambs as the crisis affecting Scottish hill farmers deepened last night.

As confirmation came from Surrey of the third case of foot-and-mouth disease in the latest outbreak, the vice-chairman of NFU Scotland's livestock committee pleaded for a cull of lambs stranded on hills by movement curbs.

The Department of Transport's continuing refusal to lift restrictions on driving hours means many livestock hauliers are unable to move sheep from the hills.

Robert McDonald, of Castle Grant Home Farm, Gran-town, said the early onset of wintry conditions meant that "the windows of opportunity are closing fast".

The NFUS, which is pressing for movements of animals on farms and between farms to be reinstated, has sent questionnaires to farmers asking whether they would support a welfare cull for lambs and ewes, and what payment they required.

Suggested compensation levels range from £5 to £26 per head, and the farmers were asked to respond by this morning.

Mr McDonald, who also keeps lambs on a farm he manages in Skye, said: "Condition is just melting off the lambs now with this weather and before long they will be useless for any purpose.

"It is a financial issue as well as a welfare one.

"Cash flow is currently non-existent on these farms and they were working to a very tight schedule anyway with so many sales cancelled in August and early September."

NFUS president Jim McLaren said: "We estimate there will be at least a million lambs on hills that shouldn't be there. That is generating a huge welfare crisis.

"We're continuing to work on the details of schemes to alleviate the welfare problems and address the cashflow nightmare."

Defra, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, confirmed yesterday that a farm near Egham, Surrey, was infected with foot-and-mouth disease after lesions were found on the carcases of cattle.

The farm, named locally as The Klondyke, is owned by John and Sally Hepplethwaite. Pigs, cattle and sheep were slaughtered as a precaution after tests on sheep showed signs of the disease.

It is the third farm to be hit by the latest outbreak, and occurred within the protection zone in Surrey and near the premises affected last week. Two farms in Surrey were affected last month.

Minor changes have now been made to the protection and surveillance zones as a result of the new case and further lab tests are being done on the culled stock.

The new cases are thought to involve the same strain of the disease as that found in animals culled last month.

A Health and Safety Executive investigation found the virus might have come from a leaky pipe between a Government-run animal health laboratory and a privately-run pharmaceuticals firm, Merial Animal Health, at Pirbright, three miles from the original outbreak.

Scottish Rural Affairs Secretary Richard Lochhead met UK Farming Minister Lord Rooker in Edinburgh yesterday to press the case for the temporary lifting of limits on the amount of time haulage drivers can work.

Mr Lochhead described the meeting as "constructive". He said: "I left him in no doubt of the scale of the crisis affecting the Scottish hills and throughout the livestock sector as a result of the foot-and-mouth outbreak in England.

"Lord Rooker assured me he will take back the issues raised."

But the Department of Transport refuses to budge.A spokesman said: "After careful consideration the DfT has decided that a relaxation of the drivers' hours rules is not justified on the basis of the evidence submitted."

The issue was discussed at the weekly meeting of the Scottish Cabinet yesterday.

A spokesman for the first minister said there had been a lot of correspondence with Westminster on the issue, the latest communication being a letter from transport under- secretary Jim Fitzpatrick.

The spokesman said: "He does not agree with the argument and described the issue as a short-term local problem."
 
I can understand why you are pi$$ed off but also remember, the hauliers can also double up on drivers (one driving, other resting) so that although that would increase costs somewhat, there would be no need for animals to suffer. I'm not sure how many hours cattle/sheep/pigs are allowed to travel in one go without a break but to double up on drivers is the logical way to go; their driving hours have been regulated for a reason, not just plucked out of thin air although it doesn't seem like it when you've been stuck at ferry port longer than you should be and haven't enough hours left to drive home. It's times like those you wish you were carrying sugar and not horses!
 
there wouldn't be this 'crisis' if DEFRA would accept vaccination for FMD.

The only reason not to vaccinate is to protect meat exports to europe worth 300 million quid per year. The cost to the UK of the FMD outbreak in 2001 was between £2 and £12 BILLION

do the maths yourselves

If the animals vaccinated cannot be exported then the meat coul dbe sold in the UK and thus reduce our imports from e.g. Argentina and Eire.

the 'Bernard Matthews' of livestock farming at the NFU are 'calling the tune' on this whilst sane and sensible people who don't want mass culling want vaccination

FYI the Belgians are promoting to the EU a COMPULSORY vaccination procedure in the event of fmd in ANY EU country. There is support for this from Holland, Germany, etc and so DEFRA may not - in future - be able to cull animals 'onspec' and then find out later that they didn't have the disease (as has happened this time with the 2nd lot of pigs culled - they didn't have fmd !!!)

for those that want to know the REAL facts - look at warmwell.com
 
Yes, but they more than likely cant afford it cos if they cant sell the lambs, they cant really justify paying for them to be moved as it will probably cost more than the lambs are worth.
I do wonder what they usually do - I take it they must have a temporary field for the lambs to go in as a stop off point, or do they usually just take them off the hills and to the sales?

Either way the farmers are going to lose lots of £££
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I don't think the journeys are particularly long - just need lots of them, so doubling up drivers wouldn't help.

AFAIK what the hauliers suggested was removing the 90 hour fortnight restriction and replacing it with a 56 hour maximum week - so hardly a huge change. Presumably the drivers would have more time off in subsequent weeks.
 
be sympathetic for the lambs and not necessarily for the farmers

These are possibly some of the same farmers that support culling over vaccination.

If there was vaccination then there would be no fmd movement restrictions......

PapaFrita will confirm that fmd is endemic in South America and yet we import and eat meat from there quite happily.

Further, the first lot of cattle and the cattle/sheep/pigs slaughtered yesterday all had HEALING lesions from fmd - ie. this is not an overall fatal disease and it has no impact on human health when the meat is eaten. The animals that DEFRA killed were recovered.
 
This government won't be happy until we have a 'UK National Park' to be used purely for joe public's pleasure, why do we need to produce our own food when we can import it from countries with sub standard animal welfare issues etc. Convenient that the F&M has hit after an appalling summer bringing many farmers to their knees, unable to move stock, using the little stored feed they have and then having to purchase more at the ever increasing prices, unless stock is culled through F&M there is unlikely to be any sort of compensation, all we need now is the IAACS payments to be late too and the government will be a fair way closer to their aim. Sorry about the rant Jules.
 
I'd be interested to hear why you think this is some kind of conspiracy. What would be the ultimate aim? and how would this give the goverment financial gain?
 
The labour government is an urban majority in charge of the rural minority, they have little or no interest in our farmers, rural areas etc. The hunting ban was the start, if animal welfare is such an issue why has coarse fishing not been banned, poss because it is a predominately working class pursuit - labour voters. We are expected to open our land - which is a working business for public access yet can i walk around anyones garden etc. May be its not quite a conspiracy, but just alot of coincidences.
 
didnt Blair agree to turn Britain in to a grain farm allowing the French to become the sole meat producers, or am I dreaming?
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My heart breaks for the farmers of today, they are being culled very slowly and painfully.
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Mairi.
Ps-most of the meat here in Italy is produced in France then imported to be fattened and killed here!
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Hi Mairi,
Good point all the way around.
There seems to be no cutting of slack where farmers are involved. And there certainly seems little interest in how animals are treated even in this country. One need only read a few of the threads regarding vaious rescues and see the abuse and nastiness just under the surface if real animal welfare issues are raised. I am NOT supporting any particular way of rescuing horses or livestock. It's just that it seems in the end, the anmials are always the ones tortured all in the name of one political aim or another. The hunting of foxes a position I stand firmly on the fencepost about is an issue in point. Did it really have much to do with the hunting of poor foxes or was there a deeper political agenda?
You know sometimes there are good reasons to be paranoid. Just turn on the evening news!
Love ya girl
Suzi
 
even better (not) - the EU is going to provide the Bluetongue vaccine and subsidise the cost of vaccination to all member states

so what is DEFRA doing ?

It is inviting tenders to provide a vaccine warehouse from which the English (N.B. NOT welsh/scottish/irish) farmers will be able to BUY the vaccine.

so whilst the rest of the eu will get their vaccine fro free the English farmers will have to PAY for theirs !!!!!

(from warmwell.com and the Guardian).
 
This is just bonkers.
The whole thing is crazy and I'm afraid I don't understand where the government is coming from here.
I am an American living in England (something I keep having to say as I don't speak the same sort of 'English you all do over here, so constantly am misunderstood). In America I can go to a regular feed store and buy any vaccine I want to buy and administer it to my animals. That includes dogs, cats, sheep, horses. There is no law against me doing that except that I cannot give rabies vaccinations and have them hold up in a court of law (say should a dog bite someone) if a veterinarian didn't administer it. It doesn't say I can't give it, just that it won't hold up in court. But this only applies to rabies vaccines.
Meanwhile here in England, if I need one of my salukis vaccinated against all things but rabies I have to pay a veterinarian about £58.00 to inject it into my animal In the USA I go to the feed shop tell them what manufacturer's vaccine I want to use, and the very same thing that is given here for the exact same diseases costs me $1.50 per dog. Now why is that? At the rate the dollar is dropping that means it costs me 75 pence to protect against distemper, lepto, etc etc etc...I understand about the rabies vaccine but not about the others.
Why is it that a local horse rescue organization has piles and piles of free wormers, free antibiotics, free pain killers (bute). Are their volunteers any more experienced than I am..by the way, I AM one of the volunteers. Yippee for the vets allowing the rescue these meds and I wouldn't begrudge them any of it. It just seems the laws are all lopsided.
Is all this what is coming to farmers soon? The you can't do the vacination of your own animals so let's pay some vet about a billion pounds to come out and do your herd of whatevers? And by the way, lambing is dangerous, so maybe you'd better have a vet there for each and every lamb coming out of you ewes?
Why is it that being vaccinated is such a simple proceedure and does so much good, but you can't vaccinate against bluetongue or foot and mouth? Just explain it to me so I can understand it. Yes, the titre on the animal will change and show that it has been exposed to said disease, but can't we have some sort of bio-marker that goes in with the vaccine to say this cow or sheep has been vacinated? Surely that makes more sense. And to top it off, if the drains hadn't been leaking at a certain government establishment the newest disease breakout wouldn't have happened. And now it seems that we can't do the vaccine for blue tongue because the same site that let foot and mouth into the water needs to produce the bluetongue vaccine but can't
I'm starting to feel a bit like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theories...but there is a difference. One is not paranoid if one is being stalked is one? I mean if the government is REALLY out to get the farmers, don't they have a right to be paranoid?
I think they have every right and as long as EU laws (don't even get me started there after what they are allowing to happen to horses in the EU with all their fancy legislation that is NOT inforced) are not enforced evenly across every EU state THEN WHY ARE WE PART OF THE EU???
But that's just my OPINION.
 
well said and I and I suspect a lot of others totally agree with you but it just isn't going to change here
only difference is that this is 'rip off britain' and the same stuff that the UK vets charge 85 quid for will be 35 euros for in France (if not less) - i.e. about 20 quid

and now to add to UK farmers misery there is an outbreak of bird flu at Diss on the norfolk/suffolk borders - up to 5000 turkeys, geese and ducks to be slaughtered - free range birds so the suspicion is that they got H5N?? (not yet diagnosed) from wild migratory birds

It's apparently NOT BMatthews this time.....so he says on the beeb website
 
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