Greater Manchester Police shoot dead an XL bully….

[SkylarkAscending]

Shots fired at XL bully in Eccles street after woman attacked

The dog was "destroyed at the scene as the last possible option", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

The footage shows the dog was gambolling around and wasn’t threatening anyone…..

 

[Equi]

It doesn’t mention if it was the dog that had attacked a woman or not. Regardless the wanton bullet firing in a built up area is insane.

 

[ycbm]

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said they received "several reports" that a dog was "dangerously out of control" and attacking people on Gladstone Road, Eccles, at about 21:00 BST on Friday.

That's good enough for me.
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[ycbm]

A better report from a local newspaper.

XL Bully dog shot dead by police after attacking woman

Police were called to Gladstone Road in Eccles on Friday night after reports that a dog was dangerously out of control and attacking the public. GMP said the dog had to be destroyed 'as the last possible option'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[skinnydipper]

Shots fired at XL bully in Eccles street after woman attacked

The dog was "destroyed at the scene as the last possible option", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

The footage shows the dog was gambolling around and wasn’t threatening anyone…..

It was 'gambolling around' after it had attacked members of the public.

 

[SkylarkAscending]

It was 'gambolling around' after it had attacked members of the public.

A member of the public, and we don’t know the circumstances of how that happened.

The very stupidity of the police letting off several rounds in such a built up area is astounding, and for me this is another example (as with the runaway cow in Surrey) of excessive means being used.

It’s a personal opinion of course

 

[skinnydipper]

A member of the public, and we don’t know the circumstances of how that happened.

Well, whatever happened shouldn't have happened, because the owner should have had it muzzled, on a lead and under control.

 

[bonny]

Well, whatever happened shouldn't have happened, because the owner should have had it muzzled, on a lead and under control.

That doesn’t give the police the authority to start shooting like that

 

[SkylarkAscending]

Well, whatever happened shouldn't have happened, because the owner should have had it muzzled, on a lead and under control.

Of course the owner should have, that goes without saying - my objection is to the wisdom and necessity of firing several rounds in a very built up area simply because they couldn’t catch the dog.

Whilst it was definitely not an XL bully, I caught a stray dog in town yesterday - no collar or ID tag, skipping through the traffic. About Labrador sized, staffy cross. Got hold of it, put a lead on it, popped in my car and took it to the local vets for scanning. The vets wouldn’t go anywhere near the dog and asked me to scan it, just because it growled once in the reception area. It was an absolute poppet and I’d have taken it home, there was no need at all for the vets to react like they did.

Not nearly the seriousness of the Manchester incident of course, but an example of why I can’t understand people’s attitudes to dogs

 

[skinnydipper]

Gambolling: run or jump about playfully.

 

[SkylarkAscending]

Gambolling: run or jump about playfully.

Thanks but with all due respect I can also use a dictionary, and I know the meaning of words before I use them….. I was referring to the footage on the BBC report

 

[Hobo2]

A member of the public, and we don’t know the circumstances of how that happened.

The very stupidity of the police letting off several rounds in such a built up area is astounding, and for me this is another example (as with the runaway cow in Surrey) of excessive means being used.

It’s a personal opinion of course

That is very different to the runaway cow incident which was down right cruel. Though you would like to think if they are going to shoot a dog they could at least hit the target properly. Yes it is sad for the dog and it is probably the owner that should be shot!!

 

[skinnydipper]

Thanks but with all due respect I can also use a dictionary, and I know the meaning of words before I use them….. I was referring to the footage on the BBC report

I'd watched the video, I posted the video with audio on another thread. 'Gambolling around' isn't how I would describe the dog's body language and behaviour.

 

[Cloball]

It's not the most professional footage. It's a bit, not meaning to make light of a distressing situation, like benny hill with firearms.

 

[SkylarkAscending]

That is very different to the runaway cow incident which was down right cruel. Though you would like to think if they are going to shoot a dog they could at least hit the target properly. Yes it is sad for the dog and it is probably the owner that should be shot!!

Yeah I knew quite a few firearms officers when I worked for the police as a civilian, they were far better than this lot who don’t seem to be able to hit the proverbial barn door. Doesn’t give me a lot of confidence in their ability in a more serious situation

 

[Cortez]

That doesn’t give the police the authority to start shooting like that

Erm, well it does actually, since the dog wasn't under control and had just bitten somebody seriously enough that they're still in hospital. I mean, there are actual laws on this very subject now, remember?

 

[Smitty]

Would flinging bits of drugged meat at a dog on the rampage work?? I have no idea, but the police seem to be dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

So, if they can catch it quickly with no danger to themselves or the public, they can take it away and pts.

 

[bonny]

Erm, well it does actually, since the dog wasn't under control and had just bitten somebody seriously enough that they're still in hospital. I mean, there are actual laws on this very subject now, remember?

The police have always had the power to shoot a dog if necessary but they don’t have the right to fire wildly on a built up road and just hope they don’t hit anyone.

 

[Cortez]

The police have always had the power to shoot a dog if necessary but they don’t have the right to fire wildly on a built up road and just hope they don’t hit anyone.

I'm pretty certain that the scene would have been locked down and there were no people in the range. I completely agree that rounds pinging into vehicles etc. is very bad (and the owners can look forwards to nice new cars courtesy of the Police), and shouldn't have happened, but highly doubt any of the public were in danger. Late OH was a trained marksman during his stint in a UK police force, many years ago, and was also a firearms trainer and armourer, so the protocols are pretty well known in this household.

 

[MuddyMonster]

Although very, very sad for the dog I think the Police were between a rock and a hard place.

If the dog (which like it or not, is a breed with laws around it) had already bitten, if they'd have not acted and the dog had bitten more people, questions would have been asked.

I guess an immediate death would have been better than the dog being taken into custody and subjected to various assessments and then PTS? I don't know ...

 

[SkylarkAscending]

I'm pretty certain that the scene would have been locked down and there were no people in the range. I completely agree that rounds pinging into vehicles etc. is very bad (and the owners can look forwards to nice new cars courtesy of the Police), and shouldn't have happened, but highly doubt any of the public were in danger. Late OH was a trained marksman during his stint in a UK police force, many years ago, and was also a firearms trainer and armourer, so the protocols are pretty well known in this household.

Road was closed off at both ends so no apparent danger to the public from all the random rounds being let off - “just” another waste of tax payers money replacing/repairing the cars etc

 

[Tiddlypom]

The home video shows that the street wasn’t fully closed off, there were members of the public still on the street. They appeared to be trying to intervene.

It’s not about the damage to the cars, which can be repaired/replaced. The bullets could have ricocheted off the cars into people’s houses and hit innocent residents. It was not safe.

Benny Hill about sums it up.

 

[skinnydipper]

The home video shows that the street wasn’t fully closed off, there were members of the public still on the street. They appeared to be trying to intervene.

The owner, waving his arms about while the dog is running around pursued by the Police.

Then after the dog has been shot a woman wanders along with what looks to be a dog lead.

 

[skinnydipper]

On the video, the dog has no collar and the owner doesn't appear to have a lead.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

Well at least they didn't run it over like they did the cow in Surrey...............

 

[ycbm]

Dog, out in public illegally, savages woman.

Police can't catch dog.

Police shoot dog.

Nobody else hurt.

Community who know and fear the dog breath a sigh of relief (supposition, but likely true).

Job done.
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[Tiddlypom]

The dog needed to be destroyed before it attacked anyone else.

The fact that no member of the public was hurt while the police marksmen tried to take it out with bullets penetrating and bouncing off parked cars was pure luck.

 

[Smitty]

The dog needed to be destroyed before it attacked anyone else.

The fact that no member of the public was hurt while the police marksmen tried to take it out with bullets penetrating and bouncing off parked cars was pure luck.

But, what was the alternative? Presumably if they tried sealing off the street the dog could have legged it by the time they had done that. I imagine it was a case of needing to act immediately.

 

[bonny]

But, what was the alternative? Presumably if they tried sealing off the street the dog could have legged it by the time they had done that. I imagine it was a case of needing to act immediately.

The police are saying that they and the owner tried to catch the dog and couldn’t. Locals seem to be saying that isn’t true, I imagine there will be an inquiry into what happened and the police won’t come out of it looking anything other than inept.

 

[ycbm]

The dog needed to be destroyed before it attacked anyone else.

The fact that no member of the public was hurt while the police marksmen tried to take it out with bullets penetrating and bouncing off parked cars was pure luck.

Luck? Looked like an empty street to me. Shame one car was dinted.
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