Grey parent means grey horse eventually?

My bay stallions sire is grey dam was bay. I am sure that someone who knows about genetics could tell you about the genetics.
 
Faracat said:
They do need a grey parent. Can you post photos of your mini?
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Sorry I have no idea how to post photos. I did think she would be a roan as she has grey hairs all through her coat all over and her tail is a mixture of chestnut, brown and cream hairs whereas her mum is liver chestnut but with chestnut and black hairs though her tail. There are photos of them on my facebook page, in fact she is my profile picture. Under my name of Lesley Phillips.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Sorry I have no idea how to post photos. I did think she would be a roan as she has grey hairs all through her coat all over and her tail is a mixture of chestnut, brown and cream hairs whereas her mum is liver chestnut but with chestnut and black hairs though her tail. There are photos of them on my facebook page, in fact she is my profile picture. Under my name of Lesley Phillips.
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This one?

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If so, she has sabino which can cause an effect similar to roaning.
 
Yes but typically you can't see the grey hairs in that photo, it wad taken las summer and she has much more grey this year. Although it is spread throughout her coat she had more dense grey patches on her shoulders and neck. I will take some more today and put them on Facebook.
 
Thank you, I had never considered a mini but met her when she was two months old and knew she was coming home with me. Bought her and her mum and a year later bought her half sister. Typically in that picture the grey isn't showing, it was taken last summer and she has much more grey this year. Even though it is throughout her coat she also has more dense patches on her shoulders and neck. Thank you Faracat, how do by know she is sabino?
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Thank you, I had never considered a mini but met her when she was two months old and knew she was coming home with me. Bought her and her mum and a year later bought her half sister. Typically in that picture the grey isn't showing, it was taken last summer and she has much more grey this year. Even though it is throughout her coat she also has more dense patches on her shoulders and neck. Thank you Faracat, how do by know she is sabino?
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I think you meant me? She has sabino because of the ragged tops to her white stockings. Sabino is the most common gene that causes white markings. It sometimes spreads throughout the coat giving the impression of roaning or greying out which gets more marked as the horse ages. But it is completely different to the grey gene and your mini will not grey out.
 
Sorry it took forever and sorry but the pictures suck he refuses to pose for photos. Hope these are the right pictures this time.

Brown spot on head

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You can maybe see the flecks around his eye here but maybe not

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Found a couple of brown spots at his armpit area

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I will try and get better ones around his eyes today but he never stays still for longer than a second.
 
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Looks chestnut sabino to me too. :) You've got jagged edged white markings which are typical of sabino, plus sabinos can have white flecks in their coat. The flecks can be concentrated in patches, spread throughout the coat or a combination of both.

This is a sabino arab with loads of flecks, so much so that you could show it in Coloured classes if it was in the UK.

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A maximum sabino is completely white. A minimal sabino could just have a teeny tiny white heel or face marking. You can get everything in between. My gelding in post 17 of this thread has sabino. In the summer he gets a white spot on his elbow due to a concentrated patch of sabino flecks which don't show up as easily in his winter coat. He also has the odd white hair in his coat. My other chestnut is a sabino too. She has lots of flecks, two sabino patches, a blaze, chin spot and jagged white markings on her legs.
 
Rachk89, I can't see the armpit photo.

The dark spot on the forehead could be a tiny 'blood mark' or it could be over a healed cut. My grey once cut herself and the fur grew back chestnut. It's now, years later, going grey again. Roans have also been known to grow base coloured fur on sites of former injuries on the body, rather than a roany mix of the base colour and white.
 
Thank you Wagtail, sorry got you muddled. She doesn't have any white on her head other than the stripe down her nose. Does the sabino also cause the chestnut spots on the white of her legs?
 
So, would my little arab X mare have counted as sabino? She had for white socks with jagged edges, in fact, two of them were stockings as one went half way over her knee and the other sort of ran up the inside of her hock to a sort of point. The other two were from the knee/hock all the way down her lower legs. She had a white blaze and white splodges on her stomach. She also had a few roanish patches (I always secretly hoped the roan patches would spread so she'd look strawberry roan).
 
Probably Delta,
Sabino is a bit tricky as it is a bit of a catch all term for several different mutations that look much the same some of which are as yet untestable/a work in progress, like the sabino that clydesdales have, pretty sure that is untestable atm.
 
Yes, there are many KIT mutations and only some are testable. From what I understand after Sabino1 was identified, the term Sabino was dropped when new 'white spotting patterns' were identified and named, even though they would fit under the 'sabino' name in terms of how they look on the horse (phenotype). Tobiano is also a KIT mutation IIRC.
 
Faracat said:
Rachk89, I can't see the armpit photo.

The dark spot on the forehead could be a tiny 'blood mark' or it could be over a healed cut. My grey once cut herself and the fur grew back chestnut. It's now, years later, going grey again. Roans have also been known to grow base coloured fur on sites of former injuries on the body, rather than a roany mix of the base colour and white.
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Ugh photo bucket is not cooperating today you get the link of one picture and it gives you a link to another one. I will try and fix that later on my laptop but am currently half dead from tiring the horse out after his temper tantrum today.

It probably is just from a random cut he gets loads of scratches although the others seem to grow back in a dark grey. Guess we shall know if it greys out when he is older.
 
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And to me white spotting mutation never seems the best description of it as it makes me think of spots!
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I completely agree. It took me a moment when I was first on an American forum to realise that by 'horse with spots/spotted horse' they meant pinto/coloured, not leopard pattern complex type spots.
 
Totally putting the cat among the pigeons, I still haven't ever seen another the same colour as my boy in the 11 years I've had him.

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He doesn't go that dark other than his head in winter, the darkest he goes is in the picture. But yes seal brown roan is what we have concluded him to be ��
 
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