Greyhound racing (beware, its long and I'm on my soapbox here!)

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So.... the question asked was "is it worse than horse racing", and of course I never miss an opportunity to (hopefully) inform and advise :)

I've got to say I didn't really question the background of the first couple of hounds that I adopted, so I didn't find out much about them (Jura came to me in 2002 and Ellen in 2004 both from Greyhound Rescue West of England as they were known then). As I started volunteering for GRWE I started finding out what greyhound racing was really like.

I adopted Islay in 2008 - she had done 5 1/2 years racing at Swindon and other tracks, and as usual she was cast aside when she got too old to race or breed from.

Flick also came to me in 2008 - bred in Ireland and picked up by the dog warden as a starving stray, she would have been PTS in an Irish council pound if GRWE hadn't offered her a rescue place. This was despite the fact she was tattooed and could easily be traced straight back to her breeder, who had simply thrown her out like rubbish

Hoover came to me a few years later, probably in the best condition I've ever had a rescue dog fitness wise - but he needed 18 teeth out on arrival in rescue, so he had obviously had no dental care in his life

Marty came to me last year, retired from racing at only 2 years old due to a muscle injury. His trainer was giving him ibuprofen, and he hadn't seen a vet despite having a hind leg like a banana. I have later found that the same trainer regularly 'retires' greyhounds at a simiar age with similar injuries....hmmm....

Ace came to me very quickly after coming into rescue kennels, and he is in horrible condition. He is covered in scrapes, scars, lumps and bad patches, and when I looked up his racing record I found out why - he was trained by the second trainer named in this article, Beverley Heaton:

http://greytexploitations.com/resources-reports/the-secret-slaves-of-the-dog-racing-industry/

I am sure that not every trainer keeps their dogs in conditions like this. I am sure there are responsible trainers who look after their dogs like the athletes they are, rather than as disposable money-making commodities. I just haven't found any yet.

One of the most heart breaking videos I have seen was a greyhound race in - I think - Australia. A few of the dogs go down together on a bend in the track, one gets up after the others and bravely sets off down the track after the others with his hind leg literally flapping, snapped clean in two at the hock. Dogs are not like horses, this is not a fatal condition by any means, but the greyhound was shot at the side of the track because neither his owner nor his trainer were willing to pay the vets fees for an operation (probably amputation in this case) and then make the effort of finding him a decent home.

I loathe greyhound racing and all those who profit from it. I'm sure there are appalling racehorse trainers too, but at least there are SOME good ones - as I said before, I haven't managed to find ANY good greyhound trainers :(
 
I'll not be hypocritical about it, I've been to the races for nights out, last time in 2015 and the track has since closed. One thing I have noticed recently is the absolutely shit body/coat condition that some dogs are allowed to race in. I can't think of any other dog sport where a dog with half it's coat hanging out because it's being fed crap/no one can be arsed to groom it, would be allowed to compete.

ETA That link :(
 
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Not something i have ever been to personally, so i can't comment on it much. But i do remember going to a remote place to do some work and a white van was tearing down the road with a realistic fluff on the back and a load of greyhound/lurcher types running hell for leather after it. When the van saw us with our big "wildlife" logo on the side it quickly stopped and loaded any dog that would get in immediately in, one that didn't was left but the van drove away slowly with said dog following it, and probably stopped soon after to pick it up but we were gone by then. My colleague said it was either the racers or the hare coursers.

Which leads me to a question, bar this type of method, how does one train a greyhound to race? I doubt they all have a electric furry thingy?
 
Not something i have ever been to personally, so i can't comment on it much. But i do remember going to a remote place to do some work and a white van was tearing down the road with a realistic fluff on the back and a load of greyhound/lurcher types running hell for leather after it. When the van saw us with our big "wildlife" logo on the side it quickly stopped and loaded any dog that would get in immediately in, one that didn't was left but the van drove away slowly with said dog following it, and probably stopped soon after to pick it up but we were gone by then. My colleague said it was either the racers or the hare coursers.

Which leads me to a question, bar this type of method, how does one train a greyhound to race? I doubt they all have a electric furry thingy?

A natural instinct & starvation.😥
 
its very sad that mankind cant treat animals decently, that goes for all animals not just greys and horses.....i think that any cruelty to animals should be punished much more severely and i hope the organisation who has passed these kennels gets their punishment but i bet they wont, it will all be swept under the carpet as so much money is involved..:(
 
The steward for GBGB - who supposedly inspect the kennels - is the brother (or something like that) of a greyhound trainer. Hardly impartial.....
 
That report on the kennels is awful. I have never seen the lady at work's dogs or conditions. The 23 hour a day thing seems normal for most kennelled working dogs, our terriers were in that long, but they had a clean run and a cosy bed.

TBH I understand the dog with the broken leg being shot, they are not pets and at least he was dealt with promptly. There are enough healthy ones looking for homes without making it harder. I am fairly brutal in what I think is suitable for rehoming though (not just greys!).

Australian racing is banned altogether now after some appalling training practices were exposed. Would you prefer that to be the case over here? Or would outside governance help? Do you think we would be better off only having pet/show greys, rather than racing types? (I am not being inflammatory, I agree the report is awful, but I am very aware that I wouldn't want horse racing banned).
 
I've heard so many awful stories, I do wonder how many decent trainers are out there. It's heart breaking as they are such loving, trusting animals.

For what it's worth all 3 of our greys came from the same kennels and they sign up with the Greyhound Trust but keep the dogs there while they try to rehome them. The newest girl was retired with a muscle tear but had been treated with laser therapy before rehoming. All 3 were in good condition, obviously they look better now with less kennel coat etc but all were well fed and muscled. I think they are some of the lucky ones.
 
Yes, I feel that as the sport is clearly unwilling or unable to regulate itself properly then either an outside independent body needs to be appointed to regulate the sport or it should be banned entirely.

To be honest a ban would seem the way ahead given the number of tracks that are closing - not long for Belle Vue now hopefully!
 
I have one good story for you! Although, like you, as I meet more and more people with greyhounds I hear similar stories of dogs being petrified of men/certain triggers and in a bad way :(

My Bella seems to have been very lucky. She is extremely friendly with everyone and loves, kids, men and women. She was in good health when I got her fairly soon after she had finished racing and her old trainer added me on on Facebook and often asks how she is doing and asks for pictures/updates. This does seem to be a rare occurrence for most greyhound owners!

As for whether it is cruel to race or not... I am not a huge fan of horse racing either but I can't give an exact opinion. There are lots of people who do it right and with respect for the animal but the majority seem to be awful :(

Like you say, change is in the air so hopefully things will change for the better :)
 
On the other hand when I got my first dog, from the Retired Greyhound Trust as it was then, I was asked if I wanted to get in touch with his racing owner.

I was given the gentlemans email address. This gentleman had gone to Ireland to buy a puppy and came home with two aged thirteen weeks. They went to a kennels to grow up and the owner visited them every week (60 miles each way). They then went into training and raced at Sheffield. The owner still visited every week and took them for walks, played ball ect. The dog suffered an injury which stopped his race career and as Sheffield RGT would not take a black dog due to rehoming difficulties he rang other branches. North Yorkshire took him on.

The dog I got knew his name and how to play. The racing owner came to visit and the dog was really happy to see him. A year later I was asked if I would take on the other puppy. I was invited to Sheffield track to watch her 100th race there, named after the dog and she got a presentation jacket. She went back to kennels, got spayed and had a dental and was brought to me, by the racing owner once her stitches were out. He also gave me a disc with both dogs winning races on.

My next dog came again through the Greyhound Trust and we went to the trainers kennels to look at a couple of dogs. The one I chose had his 3rd birthday between viewing him and being castrated. A big healthy dog but he suffered from claustrophobia. After living here for 3 years he needed 24 teeth out and it was not due to lack of care. The vet says it is a genetic problem with a lot of greyhounds. Since then he has needed more teeth out.

Having been invited to look round kennels and meet the hounds there was love and care for the dogs. There will be bad owners and trainers but there are also good ones. I have been fortunate to meet good ones.
 
That report on the kennels is awful. I have never seen the lady at work's dogs or conditions. The 23 hour a day thing seems normal for most kennelled working dogs, our terriers were in that long, but they had a clean run and a cosy bed.

TBH I understand the dog with the broken leg being shot, they are not pets and at least he was dealt with promptly. There are enough healthy ones looking for homes without making it harder. I am fairly brutal in what I think is suitable for rehoming though (not just greys!).

Australian racing is banned altogether now after some appalling training practices were exposed. Would you prefer that to be the case over here? Or would outside governance help? Do you think we would be better off only having pet/show greys, rather than racing types? (I am not being inflammatory, I agree the report is awful, but I am very aware that I wouldn't want horse racing banned).

Australian Greyhound Racing is big business and widespread. Only last week on the news was an expose of a so called top trainer live baiting dogs with rabbits.😂
 
One of the most heart breaking videos I have seen was a greyhound race in - I think - Australia. A few of the dogs go down together on a bend in the track, one gets up after the others and bravely sets off down the track after the others with his hind leg literally flapping, snapped clean in two at the hock. Dogs are not like horses, this is not a fatal condition by any means, but the greyhound was shot at the side of the track because neither his owner nor his trainer were willing to pay the vets fees for an operation (probably amputation in this case) and then make the effort of finding him a decent home.

This is what happened to my work colleague's hound (if you remember the big black pointy dude!) The video of his third and last race as a two year old is on Youtube; he breaks his hock on the first bend but still finishes the race on three legs. Happily for him his trainer stumped up the couple of hundred quid to have it pinned and he is now a pampered, snoring, farting sofa-hound.
 
Those kennels are awful. Someone I was great friends with had worked in greyhound kennels when she was at school and for a couple of years after leaving. This was back in the late seventies and early eighties. The place was nothing like those in the article. I use to ride that way all the time and would often see them walking the dogs( about four in each hand, you've got some catching up to do Lev) along the lanes. The kennels where just like any boarding kennel now, block built with heating and runs for each kennel and the place was immaculate. I have to say I just assumed that they would all be like that, which is very naïve of me.
 
It’s really great that people have got positive stories to counteract the bad stuff 😊

None of my rescue greyhounds have ever known how to play, Ace doesn’t know his name or what it means to be given fuss and attention.

And yep BC that sums it up.... look what could have happened.... but no ☹️
 
Australian Greyhound Racing is big business and widespread. Only last week on the news was an expose of a so called top trainer live baiting dogs with rabbits.😂

Oh! I thought it was banned, maybe only in NSW?
 
I only have bad things to say about it, although I will admit I havent been to the races for over 20 years (hideous experience and swore Id never go again) Dogs looked awful, treated very much as tools of a trade and I kid you not, there was a person at the track who you could take your unwanted racer too and they would "do the business", I assume he was a vet but admit I dont know :( I only went that night because a friend of my then partner had a very small kennel and had a dog racing, I have never been so bored or unhappy to be in the company of animal people. I am a big horse racing fan and the sport is under ever increasing pressure to up the standards of welfare which are already pretty high, from what has been said on this thread greyhound racing isnt governed with welfare as any sort of priority, is that correct? If so, I find that unbelievable and it has to change. Greys are not my type of dog, that said I know a few people with ex racers as pets and in the right homes, they are fabulous dogs, lazy even :) They deserve to be treated with compassion and dignity, but like Clodagh, I think PTS correctly and quickly is more compassionate in the long run for some than hawking them around kennels trying to find that elusive "forever" home
 
I know very little about greyhound racing but as someone else said, ego and profit coupled together with animals of any type does not usually end well for said animals :(
 
To sum up very briefly, there are good and bad trainers but the Greyhound Board of Great Britain is not doing a good job. It needs to review its minimum standards and improve them drastically.

Lol, not sure if that is a thread synopsis or your own view of greyhound racing 😊😊

I totally agree about GBGB (and we complain the BHS is woeful!) but I would personally say that there are more bad trainers than good.

I’m fascinated by Rabatsa’s experiences as both Marty and Ace came from Greyhound Trust - absolutely no option of looking round the trainers kennels for me, I wonder why.....
 
It wasn't all gloom and doom in greyhound racing.....there were some (until very recently, 2017) inspirational characters that people travelled their dogs across the water to in order to seek help from. I am thinking first and foremost of the vet Paddy Sweeney - a guy with whom I spent many years chewing the cud about all sorts. He travelled to Australia and god knows where else to further his knowledge and was ahead of his time in his research on track surfaces and footing and he shared it freely with the local trainers and any that wanted to listen. Sadly, there weren't that many. :(

They broke the mould after Paddy and few are brave enough to stand up and be counted as he was. http://greyhoundstar.co.uk/paddy-sweeney/
 
Lol, not sure if that is a thread synopsis or your own view of greyhound racing 😊😊

I totally agree about GBGB (and we complain the BHS is woeful!) but I would personally say that there are more bad trainers than good.

I’m fascinated by Rabatsa’s experiences as both Marty and Ace came from Greyhound Trust - absolutely no option of looking round the trainers kennels for me, I wonder why.....


I have no experience whatsoever of greyhound racing:(. It was a synopsis of the thread and the article which admitted that there are good and bad trainers. TBH if the two mentioned are truly adhering to the GBGB standards, I am amazed that there are any genuinely good ones. The conditions in those yards were utterly disgraceful but we also need to be aware that the article was written in emotive language to encourage us to think that way.
 
I know his name very well, what a fabulous man he sounds to have been 😊 I think if there had been more of his calibre then I wouldn’t feel half as bitter as I do about greyhound racing, it is always hard to be impartial when you’ve only experienced the bad side of something. Hopefully there are more like him out there to deal with the bad guys....
 
I have no experience whatsoever of greyhound racing:(. It was a synopsis of the thread and the article which admitted that there are good and bad trainers. TBH if the two mentioned are truly adhering to the GBGB standards, I am amazed that there are any genuinely good ones. The conditions in those yards were utterly disgraceful but we also need to be aware that the article was written in emotive language to encourage us to think that way.

I absolutely agree, I should have found the newspaper article which was rather more balanced - Greyt Exploitations are quite ‘extreme’ in their views which doesn’t sit comfortably with me!
 
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