Gribaldi - question about his death..

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Not anything sadistic just curiousity as a vet student.

I know he died due to an aortic rupture but does anyone know what caused the rupture? I can't seem to find any further/more detailed information available other than "aortic rupture" so......

Also, just out of interest, does this cause any concern to people who ahve bred from him? or is this just concidered one of those "horrid occurences" that doesn't concern breeding?

Thanks!
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Nothing was metioned about weather it was an internal aortic rupture or weather is was external injury cause the rupture. so im in the dark abit too.. And would also be very interested!!!

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ahh, ok, will continue my search! (if I find out I will let you know!)

I hope people don't htink I am sick, it is honestly just general interest, and to further my knowledge for my future career!
 
I know humans can suffer from a syndrome called Marfan's syndrome which is a connective tissue disorder , and people with this condition used to die from ruptured aortas (nowadays they have regular echocardiograms ) . I've no idea if a similar condition exists in other animals.
 
Kildalton - it could be especially if it effects the tendons and ligaments!!!!

Mark - o thank you! I will see if I can find it! (or do you havea link to where it is noted please?)

Just as an additional point, my instructor (and her vet) were telling me that mild grade wobblers make fantastic dressage horses as the wobblers makes their forward paces really extravagant! (obviously only mild wobblers!!) but i didnt know that, until I rode one and it was true, her forward paces are incredible!!
 
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Just as an additional point, my instructor (and her vet) were telling me that mild grade wobblers make fantastic dressage horses as the wobblers makes their forward paces really extravagant! (obviously only mild wobblers!!) but i didnt know that, until I rode one and it was true, her forward paces are incredible!!

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On a similar note we were told by a vet that some were even breeding in stringhalt to encourage an extravagant hindleg! All seems very wrong to me!
 
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On a similar note we were told by a vet that some were even breeding in stringhalt to encourage an extravagant hindleg! All seems very wrong to me!

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I have known a top in hand producer purchase/show horses with mild stringhalt for this very reason. You'd think in a show ring it would be marked down.
 
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On a similar note we were told by a vet that some were even breeding in stringhalt to encourage an extravagant hindleg! All seems very wrong to me!

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I have known a top in hand producer purchase/show horses with mild stringhalt for this very reason. You'd think in a show ring it would be marked down.

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The 3yo that won a Sportshorse Class at a major County show last year was very obviously stringhalt. He snatched his hind leg up and then smacked then down with considerable force!
 
horrifying really, purposefully breeding a horse to have a neurological disorder - I was told about it in dressage horses.
I may be crazy, but I've always gone for correct paces that can develop with training and strength to show extravagance, rather than take a shortcut by getting a horse with what is basically an unsoundness!
 
I find it really hard to believe that someone would deliberately breed for stringhalt in a dressage horse (not that I don't believe you, but that someone would do it...). Because it will not pay off, stringhalt will make trot half passes really difficult if not impossible and piaffe too, and probably tempi changes. Not to mention the walk.
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I have to be honest the wobbler I ride is a really good dressage horse! she has extravagent paces, but not stringhaulty sort of paces, just very accurate and long strides etc but I wouldn't purposfully breed a horse for a neurological disorder to make it!

Obv not saying all people do it, but there are some that do..

I also asked my lecturer today about the aortic rupture. He said its a disorder, most commonly presents in stallions, it causes fibrosis of the aortic valve, and it spreads up the aorta, preventing it from expanding and so the pressure of the blood being expelled from the heart eventually builds up and it ruptures! but he said (coz i said about him being a v popular breeding stallion) that he didnt think (that he knew of) that it is a genetic thing so thats good news!!!
 
Out of curiosity, how does the "wobblers" in the mare you ride present? Are there clinical symptoms? History? X-rays? No agenda, just interested as I've had quite a bit to deal with horses referred for behavioural problems which turned out to have physical issues, but have also had some good luck "retraining" horses successfully when their issues were presumed to be wholly physical, so it's just an area of interest for me.
 
I'm a vet student too! I'm pretty sure that aortic rupture's not genetic - I know a couple of people's stallions that have died of aortic rupture - two were top performance types and one was a busy stud horse, having been a PSG dressage horse in the past.
 
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I'm a vet student too! I'm pretty sure that aortic rupture's not genetic - I know a couple of people's stallions that have died of aortic rupture - two were top performance types and one was a busy stud horse, having been a PSG dressage horse in the past.

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Thats good to know. A friend of mine owns a half sister to Gribaldi and she has been a bit worried....
 
Beckzo - ye thats what my lecturer was saying, that he didnt think it was genetic (as I asked so when I qualify if anyone asked me I wouldnt be like ERrrrrrrr
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TarrSteps - she is a very VERY mild grade 1 wobbler, so its only if you ask her to step backwards quickly, or turn a tight circle in an enclosed space (like her stable, she can do it out on the yard fine). And it is also noted when she puts her head down to eat her dinner in the evening as she gradually spreds her legs slightly to "stabilise" herself as it were to be able to assume the eating position.
She doesnt really have that many behaviouraly issues, she is a really sweet horse overall with LOADS of ability (dressage is fantastic, can jump and hunt and is bold as brass with the lot of it but really safe and bomb proof at the same time!) its just such a shame she has this physiological problem that puts everyone off buying her (as she is for sale, just not really advertised as the YO who owns her knows people just wont be interested)

what sort of behavioural problems do you find in wobblers may I ask? (again just out of interest)

And welshiecob - yes I am sure lots of people would be relieved to know that it is unlikely to be genetic knowing the number of horses sired by him!!!! Including totilas (that would be terrible to lose 2 of your best horses to the same disease!)
 
Because the figures of deaths attributed to this condition are relatively low there is currently no research being carried out and until that happens we are left with just opinion and nothing to back it. Hopefully something may come out of this tragedy and his high profile death might help that situation and shed more light on the condition.

Certainly in humans affected by this condition, members of their immediate family are automatically routinely tested periodically for the rest of their lives suggesting a suspected underlying genetic link.
 
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