CorvusCorax
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Really? Where are you? Probably going to places like where the Many Tears dogs came from
GSD - more questions!!!
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FinnishLapphund
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I agree with CaveCanem, I think it could work but I think you need to have a different attitude towards barking if it should work. I don't really understand why but people usually have much more respect towards barking dogs than silent dogs (though I would say that most dogs doesn't bark and bite at the exact same time).
If you get a GSD and it barks at someone walking past your garden, let it bark a few barks before telling it 'That's enough', so that it is more about that it should become silent, when you ask for it. Also, if you feel unsafe, maybe you could take a self-defense class? After all, once you get the GSD you might feel as protective about that dog...
If you get a GSD and it barks at someone walking past your garden, let it bark a few barks before telling it 'That's enough', so that it is more about that it should become silent, when you ask for it. Also, if you feel unsafe, maybe you could take a self-defense class? After all, once you get the GSD you might feel as protective about that dog...
TayloredEq
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As both his parents were guard dogs I did kind of go to the other end of the scale so I would have to see Nurture.
Although all of the litter seem to be the same and surely I can't have been that influential in the 5 weeks I cared for them?
Although all of the litter seem to be the same and surely I can't have been that influential in the 5 weeks I cared for them?
CorvusCorax
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I think it's probably due to you being an awesome mummy, yes......
Enfys
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But you might end up with one like Bear!! You only have to shout at him and he runs and hides. I had to go under the lorry and drag him out by his collar earlier because I had dared to tell him off!
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...or a Boston, Bear has a twin!
They look the part though don't they? I only have to say "Ohhhhhh Bostonnnnn..." and he's slinking back into his bedroom as if I'm going to thrash him, he's never been touched.
Boston, 2 x Bear, Bella? Bit of a trend going on here ?
Kitsune, the answer could be NOT to name your hero hound with anything beginning with 'B'
But you might end up with one like Bear!! You only have to shout at him and he runs and hides. I had to go under the lorry and drag him out by his collar earlier because I had dared to tell him off!
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...or a Boston, Bear has a twin!
They look the part though don't they? I only have to say "Ohhhhhh Bostonnnnn..." and he's slinking back into his bedroom as if I'm going to thrash him, he's never been touched.
Boston, 2 x Bear, Bella? Bit of a trend going on here ?
Kitsune, the answer could be NOT to name your hero hound with anything beginning with 'B'
Fahrenheit
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Weren't their parents working guard dogs????
Ah, nature or nurture, TE?
KMD as long as they look the part, I'd rather have a wimp than an out-and-out aggressive dog and if you were in trouble, I am sure he would surprise you
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Mmmmm I would have to say I doubt that, as we had intruders the other week and they managed to get in the house without one of the dogs barking!
He would rather bark at clouds tbh
Weren't their parents working guard dogs????
Ah, nature or nurture, TE?
KMD as long as they look the part, I'd rather have a wimp than an out-and-out aggressive dog and if you were in trouble, I am sure he would surprise you
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Mmmmm I would have to say I doubt that, as we had intruders the other week and they managed to get in the house without one of the dogs barking!
He would rather bark at clouds tbh
CorvusCorax
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Enfys, the fatal flaw in your plan is Mr Big Balls (well, no balls any more
Enfys
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Oopsies!
Enfys, the fatal flaw in your plan is Mr Big Balls (well, no balls any more
) Bodo. But he seems to be an exception
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Bad plan, yes.
Ditch that then.
I have just remembered that we had a GSD called Ben when I lived at home, he was, let's say, a bit over-enthusiastic for us, and went on to be an excellent police dog.
I love the name Bodo
Oopsies!Enfys, the fatal flaw in your plan is Mr Big Balls (well, no balls any more
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Bad plan, yes.
I have just remembered that we had a GSD called Ben when I lived at home, he was, let's say, a bit over-enthusiastic for us, and went on to be an excellent police dog.
I love the name Bodo
CorvusCorax
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Thanks, he came with it, wouldn't have been my first choice but it really suits him
We had one called Boss who went to the cops, too.
We had one called Boss who went to the cops, too.
FRESHMAN
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Yes you can but it takes training. Most GSD's are very affectionate dogs but extremely intelligent & pick up right from wrong very quickly. 18 months ago my son bought a PPD to live with him at our new yard. ( large quiet area to check out at night) I was so impressed I bought one for home & we have both continued with the training, which I have to say is enjoyable. The beauty of both our dogs is the fact that whoever has them on a leash is the one in control & will be protected at any cost. I could pass either of them to a total stranger then even if I approach myself he will bark (speak) & bounce on the spot. He has now learned to stop speak providing the leash is passed in a certain manner into the left hand which signals "friend" One wrong move though & he instantly reverts to back off. They are truly amazing. Love em to bits
Ranyhyn
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If he passes home check and pup check I will call him Shadow
MurphysMinder
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As both his parents were guard dogs I did kind of go to the other end of the scale so I would have to see Nurture.
Although all of the litter seem to be the same and surely I can't have been that influential in the 5 weeks I cared for them?
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Having seen the litter they were incredibly self confident little souls, and I think that coupled with all the socialisation you did with the whole litter would have gone a big way in how their temperaments developed. And they were taken from their dam very young so would not have learned much from her, although there again just because they were "guard dogs" doesn't mean they were inherently vicious.
Back to Kitty, would agree with Finny that if you do get a GSD you should allow it to bark at strangers to the house etc, but under your terms, i.e. he must stop when you tell him.
Mine all back at the sound of the gate at the top of the drive squeaking, Saff starts it as she is outside and the other 2 join in. They are quite funny because if it is someone they know they will nod a greeting at the door and carry on out to check out what they are supposed to be barking at.
As both his parents were guard dogs I did kind of go to the other end of the scale so I would have to see Nurture.
Although all of the litter seem to be the same and surely I can't have been that influential in the 5 weeks I cared for them?
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Having seen the litter they were incredibly self confident little souls, and I think that coupled with all the socialisation you did with the whole litter would have gone a big way in how their temperaments developed. And they were taken from their dam very young so would not have learned much from her, although there again just because they were "guard dogs" doesn't mean they were inherently vicious.
Back to Kitty, would agree with Finny that if you do get a GSD you should allow it to bark at strangers to the house etc, but under your terms, i.e. he must stop when you tell him.
Mine all back at the sound of the gate at the top of the drive squeaking, Saff starts it as she is outside and the other 2 join in. They are quite funny because if it is someone they know they will nod a greeting at the door and carry on out to check out what they are supposed to be barking at.
Ranyhyn
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Sadly the dog is now reserved, so back to my search unless they fail home check
MurphysMinder
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Are you looking at the german shepherd rescue site? They will probably still give you a home check so that you are ready and approved if a suitable dog comes along.
Ranyhyn
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No this was the DogsTrust
*cries* will have a look ay GSD rescue now though
Ranyhyn
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Sadly no long coated male dogs, I am not an experienced GSD owner so would need a relatively uncomplicated dog or a younger dog who I can train.
MurphysMinder
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Will keep my eyes and ears open for you.
CorvusCorax
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Sadly the dog is now reserved, so back to my search unless they fail home check
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Ah, sorry to hear that, good luck on the next stage of your quest! MT have two grey pups, as I was saying to Annette, but they need a bit of rehabbing I think.
Are you SURE you want a coatie, now? They sure as hell ain't waterproof
If only you had been closer, person I know handreared a LC pup, didn't want to keep because they couldn't show it
was a female, though.
Sadly the dog is now reserved, so back to my search unless they fail home check
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Ah, sorry to hear that, good luck on the next stage of your quest! MT have two grey pups, as I was saying to Annette, but they need a bit of rehabbing I think.
Are you SURE you want a coatie, now? They sure as hell ain't waterproof
If only you had been closer, person I know handreared a LC pup, didn't want to keep because they couldn't show it
Ranyhyn
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Well, I would favour a LC over a SC but if it was an exceptionally handsome SC I may give in!!
I am finding on my quest there are lots of badly reared GSD dogs, this makes me sad
I know no-ones perfect but it seems a lot of basic socialisation has been missed in their upbringing
sad for them as people like me who aren't experienced but have lots of time and patience, wont even look at them for the fear they'll be a loose cannon!
I did rather like the MTs ones but one has a HM how would that affect the doggy? Also MT wont rehome to me as Lil isn't spayed.
I did rather like the MTs ones but one has a HM how would that affect the doggy? Also MT wont rehome to me as Lil isn't spayed.
CorvusCorax
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I have no experience with heart murmurs so I don't think I could help you there, maybe others could advise, didn't realise that about having other entire animals in the house.
No one knows more than me, now, how important socialisation (for us, with other dogs) is between 0-12 months, I won't be making that mistake again and I should have known a lot better, our old females were just so easy to deal with and nothing fizzed on them, but he was a different kettle of fish, and he doesn't seem to be the only one.
He is fabby now though
They are such intelligent breed, they need to think, they need to 'work', they need to learn and be exposed to things, so if you throw them in a garden or a run for months on end, don't exercise them or occupy them properly and keep them away from all other stimulus, then yeah, they are going to go a bit spongo when they are exposed to traffic, livestock, crowds, other dogs, they are going to mouth off, they are going to pull on the lead and they are going to express themselves in negative ways. And then people chuck them out because they are 'naughty'
No one knows more than me, now, how important socialisation (for us, with other dogs) is between 0-12 months, I won't be making that mistake again and I should have known a lot better, our old females were just so easy to deal with and nothing fizzed on them, but he was a different kettle of fish, and he doesn't seem to be the only one.
He is fabby now though
They are such intelligent breed, they need to think, they need to 'work', they need to learn and be exposed to things, so if you throw them in a garden or a run for months on end, don't exercise them or occupy them properly and keep them away from all other stimulus, then yeah, they are going to go a bit spongo when they are exposed to traffic, livestock, crowds, other dogs, they are going to mouth off, they are going to pull on the lead and they are going to express themselves in negative ways. And then people chuck them out because they are 'naughty'
Ranyhyn
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I have been thinking - do some people not enjoy taking their puppy out?! I mean I got a lot of joy taking Roly and Lil up town with me (to be petted by all in sundry) and to dog training, to meet the neighbours etc, but it seems now more than ever people are getting puppies and as you say, chucking them in the garden to grow up
poor mites they don't really stand a chance.
CorvusCorax
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I think a lot of people buy a bigger breed because it 'looks cool' but then can't be arsed once it starts to grow - 'oh, it pulls on the lead, oh, it's not as cute as it was when it was a baby' 'oh, it lunges at other dogs' 'oh, I'm too busy, he has plenty of room to run around in'. Gah, people
Annette4
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I'm with you Kitsune.....from a relatively early age Jack was walking through town/meeting strangers. I even asked nextdoor's kids and their friends to play with him every time they saw him as we have no small kids in the family (never did puppy classes though). He's now a happy well socialised dog with 5 or 6 'tricks' who walks fab on the lead, loves people and is good with polite dogs...we're still working on how we deal with rude dogs
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We've done the same with Jack as we have all our dogs and my next one will get the same treatment.
We've done the same with Jack as we have all our dogs and my next one will get the same treatment.
CorvusCorax
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Back in the day when my mum was training, the most important part of class was where the young dog was walked in and out through a group of people, some people would reach to the dog suddenly, others would stop and pat or run hands along them, bikes would be ridden, pushchairs rolled past, a kid would be there with a balloon/pinwheel.
A great exercise, especially for rural dogs who don't often have the chance to get into town a lot.
A great exercise, especially for rural dogs who don't often have the chance to get into town a lot.
MurphysMinder
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Those classes were before H & S kicked in! You probably wouldn't be allowed to let a child do it now. I used to take my litters of pups into the local primary school (in 2s and 3s) for the kids to fuss, and any pup I kept was taken onto the playground every day when I picked up the children. Then the school got a new prat of a head master who wouldn't allow it
If mT don't home to people with entire animals does that mean they don't neuter all dogs they rehome? I thought most rescues did, or made sure the dog was done asap in its new home. Having said that the DT never checked to see if the collie we had from them had been castrated, in fact they never did a home check or checked on him at all.
If mT don't home to people with entire animals does that mean they don't neuter all dogs they rehome? I thought most rescues did, or made sure the dog was done asap in its new home. Having said that the DT never checked to see if the collie we had from them had been castrated, in fact they never did a home check or checked on him at all.
Ranyhyn
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Yeah they have a policy of only rehoming to homes with neutered dogs, while I appreciate their sentiment, I have a lovely home for a dog, its just I'm worried that Lil is too little for the op!
(I know Im being a fool but I opted for Roly to have it as he was more man lol)
(I know Im being a fool but I opted for Roly to have it as he was more man lol)