GSD tests positive for Covid-19 in Hong Kong

It's interesting that they use the word infected, the consensus on the 17yo as far as I was aware was that it was a fomites situation rather than infected.
 
ester said:
It's interesting that they use the word infected, the consensus on the 17yo as far as I was aware was that it was a fomites situation rather than infected.
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Is there is difference between the way people and dogs are tested or are they both tested in the same way?
 
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same test, not sure where they are swabbing on the dogs though.
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They tested from nasal and oral cavity samples on the first dog. I think that is the same as in humans?

1st dog: "The AFCD first collected samples from the dog for tests on February 26, and detected low levels of COVID-19 virus from its nasal and oral cavity samples on February 27. The Department repeated the test on February 28 and March 2, and the dog's nasal and oral cavity samples, and nasal samples, respectively, tested weak positive for the virus. Experts from the School of Public Health of The University of Hong Kong, the College of Veterinary Medicine and Life Sciences of the City University of Hong Kong and the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) have been consulted, and unanimously agreed that these results suggest that the dog has a low-level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission. The dog has not shown any signs of disease related to COVID-19. It is currently under quarantine at the animal keeping facility at the Hong Kong Port of Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge."
 
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yup, human samples are usually throat and nasopharangeal, I wasn't sure if we do the latter to dogs/they have much longer noses!
Interesting that I've seen vets say different, they were probably wrong ;)
 
https://www.idexx.com/en/about-idex...9yY-uqi00BySaH1JPuNzYte7UtRqL8_84qoI7ZXso7784

Carrying is not the same as infected.
Some dogs appear to be acting as fomites and carrying it when in contact with their sick owner as the shed the visus...but they aren't infected and passing it on.

Its not causing disease in dogs from what they have found so far.(thank f##k, because there definately isn't enough ppe to go around at the moment)
 
Does it mean then that all the experts involved in the case of the first dog were wrong?

skinnydipper said:
Experts from the School of Public Health of The University of Hong Kong, the College of Veterinary Medicine and Life Sciences of the City University of Hong Kong and the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) have been consulted, and unanimously agreed that these results suggest that the dog has a low-level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission.
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Did Idexx provide the testing kits for the dog mentioned above?
 
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Have you read the article?

The first dog was a 17-year-old animal that recently passed away after double swabbing negative and being allowed home. It is not fair to say dogs can be infected by this disease based on that sort of subject matter.
Infected implies that dogs can catch and transmit this disease to humans. There has been no evidence of that that I have read so far. They are swabbing and detecting it only in animals that have been in direct contact with actively shedding owners. Humans giving to the animal, not the other way around.
 
Aru said:
Have you read the article?

The first dog was a 17-year-old animal that recently passed away after double swabbing negative and being allowed home. It is not fair to say dogs can be infected by this disease based on that sort of subject matter.
Infected implies that dogs can catch and transmit this disease to humans. There has been no evidence of that that I have read so far. They are swabbing and detecting it only in animals that have been in direct contact with actively shedding owners. Humans giving to the animal, not the other way around.
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Yes I read the article that I posted.

It states that the dog tested positive on 3 separate occasions. The experts reached the conclusion that the dog was infected - not me.

The poor old dog was eventually released from quarantine after negative results and subequently died. The owner declined autopsy.
 
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The dogs are carrying it in the same way a door handle or surface can carry it. Anything that has been in contact with the owner will have some virus present.
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It doesn't say that the dog was carrying it. The expert opinion was that the dog was infected.
 
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skinnydipper said:
It doesn't say that the dog was carrying it. The expert opinion was that the dog was infected.
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Infectious is what I should have used earlier. I had to look up the definitions to try and get it better to explain what I mean by carrying. someone else might be able to explain it better than me.
You can have an infection without it being implicated that you are contagious. You are potentially contagious to others when you are infectious, not necessarily when you are infected. Infected means your carrying something. It does not necessarily mean that you can spread it by it replicating in your body.
I'm likely making a hash of explaining what I mean with this one. Sorry :(

The worry initially was that the dog would be able to transmit the infection it carried. This hasn't been proven to be the case... yet and hopefully will stay that way.
Thankfully multiple dogs showing infectious resp disease signs when tested were not showing corvid 19.
 
Aru said:
Infectious is what I should have used earlier. I had to look up the definitions to try and get it better to explain what I mean by carrying. someone else might be able to explain it better than me.
You can have an infection without it being implicated that you are contagious. You are potentially contagious to others when you are infectious, not necessarily when you are infected. Infected means your carrying something. It does not necessarily mean that you can spread it by it replicating in your body.
I'm likely making a hash of explaining what I mean with this one. Sorry :(

The worry initially was that the dog would be able to transmit the infection it carried. This hasn't been proven to be the case... yet and hopefully will stay that way.
Thankfully multiple dogs showing infectious resp disease signs when tested were not showing corvid 19.
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Its okay, Aru. I understand the difference between infected and infectious :) I had also previously seen the info from IDEXX ;)

My concern is the possibility of people passing it to their dogs, not the reverse - though I had noted it did not seem to make the dogs ill.

I was horrified by the photos of people disposing of their pets by throwing them from high rise buildings and hanging them from windows.

Although I don't suspect I have CV, I've already stopped kissing my dog on the top of her nose. I know the importance of hand washing and have read the advice for caring for pets when self isolating.

We all need to play our part in reducing the transmission to both people and pets.
 
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skinnydipper said:
Its okay, Aru. I understand the difference between infected and infectious :) I had also previously seen the info from IDEXX ;)

My concern is the possibility of people passing it to their dogs, not the reverse - though I had noted it did not seem to make the dogs ill.

I was horrified by the photos of people disposing of their pets by throwing them from high rise buildings and hanging them from windows.

Although I don't suspect I have CV, I've already stopped kissing my dog on the top of her nose. I know the importance of hand washing and have read the advice for caring for pets when self isolating.

We all need to play our part in reducing the transmission to both people and pets.
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I probs completely misinterpreted what you meant in your post cos I'm a bit stressed at the moment. Sorry!
 
First let me say there is no evidence to indicate that dogs become ill from Covid-19 or that they transmit the virus to humans or other animals.

Here is the latest information regarding the Pomeranian - the first dog in Hong Kong who tested positive for Covid-19.

Serological testing has found antibodies in the blood. This supports the results of the previous tests which indicated the dog had been infected with Covid-19.

Please read the whole report as it gives advice on best practice for pet owners.

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202003/26/P2020032600756.htm?fontSize=1
 
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