Guess the Relationship?

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Marchell

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........................... of these two?


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Not a clue!! They look nothing alike, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess mother and baby??

ETS: Or father and son, as everyone else is posting that they are male, whereas I cant tell :o
 
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I think their new relationship should be with me and you should post them both over to Holland as soon as possible :D

No idea on the actual relationship though, I too am rubbish at these :)
 
Full sisters. I think. The chestnut and the Grey gene for colour are not uncommon in siblings.
If I remember rightly, Chestnut is dominant over grey, so the chestnut is heterzygous Cg and the grey is homzygous gg and the parents are either CC x gg or Cg x Cg.

This is only off course if they are sisters and my genetics on Horse colours is correct (it was ages ago that I learned them so could be v wrong)
 
Well at least this made me laugh ( poo day, one of my mares has mastitis :()

Anyway I digress.

Prize of the day goes to JOJO (first one to guess correctly although Woopsiid gets a consolation prize for being sneaky, even if the sex was wrong :)
and looking at the sigy)

Amazingly they are full sisters.Both fillies, ch 2 yr old, grey 3.

Not only are they dissimilar to look at but in type as well. Grey is a laid back 13.2h and very mentally mature for her age (pic is day four in tack and day one long reining) .From day one she has grown evenly with a "what you see is what you get" appearance.

Chestnut is already bigger and will probably make 14h if not more.Has grown unevenly throughout and a totally different type, with scope.

One thing they have in common is movement!

They are out of a British Riding Pony mare by Lechlade Quince / Cusop Maid of Honour and by our Graded Sec D Welsh Cob (but nothing cobby at all about either and never has been)

I have no idea about colour genetics bay-beasty but Is'nt it amazing what nature can do with ingredients in the pot?

The grey has just started work and has huge potential for dressage . The chestnut obviously too young but it will be interesting to see where her talents lie.

I still look at them daily and cant believe they are full sisters :)

This the dam with the grey at foot (ch is down in the sigy)

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And this is the sire at the SPSS Grading where he attained the highest marks ever awarded to date.

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bay_beasty said:
If I remember rightly, Chestnut is dominant over grey,
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Sorry, I feel mean correcting you but that's not correct. :o

The two base colours are chestnut and black, with black dominant over chestnut. Eg, if the horse has one chestnut gene and one black gene it will look black.

If a horse has one copy (or two copies) of the grey gene it will 'grey out' as it ages.

In this case one of the sisters inherited a copy of the grey gene and the other sister didn't. :)
 
Faracat said:
Sorry, I feel mean correcting you but that's not correct. :o

The two base colours are chestnut and black, with black dominant over chestnut. Eg, if the horse has one chestnut gene and one black gene it will look black.

If a horse has one copy (or two copies) of the grey gene it will 'grey out' as it ages.

In this case one of the sisters inherited a copy of the grey gene and the other sister didn't. :)
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dont worry, I couldnt remember it was ages ago that I geeked myself up and looked this all up. Yep Black over chestnut coz two blacks can have a chestnut foal. I love genetics and colour esp roaning and genetics. its so cool. Wow I am such a geek :p
 
They are absolutely stunning and I love the dam and sire, if your ever thinking of selling any of them feel free to send them my way :D
 
Faracat said:
Sorry, I feel mean correcting you but that's not correct. :o

The two base colours are chestnut and black, with black dominant over chestnut. Eg, if the horse has one chestnut gene and one black gene it will look black.

If a horse has one copy (or two copies) of the grey gene it will 'grey out' as it ages.

In this case one of the sisters inherited a copy of the grey gene and the other sister didn't. :)
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Like I said I know nothing about colour genetics but does the above mean that the slate grey will grey out totally like her dam (which what we've always expected) and her sister stay chestnut? Or could the chestnut go grey eventually ??? duh!
 
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Correct! :cool: The chestnut will stay chestnut and the grey will continue to lighten. If you're lucky the grey might go through a lovely dapple stage. :D

Here's my girl as a foal (the chestnut is her Dam, her sire is grey), weanling and 2yr old.

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But Faracet will it not take her quite a while to lighten too as she is very dark still at 3. I have seen much lighter horses at that age. I love your youngster, very cute. Are the Arab colour genetics the same as all other horses. I know they are really hot on the colours esp homozygous blacks (probs so they dont get the possibility of getting chestnuts.) but do all breeds follow same genetics. I mean you would think so them all being horses, but I know that certain colours are selected for in certain environments, but with our breeding now this is probably less and less likely. oops waffling again

ooo, though marchell if she goes really dapple and you have her still can you please post pics.
 
Not all breeds have the same colours eg arabs don't have tobiano (one of the 'pinto' genes) because you don't get skewbald/piebald arabs. However you can cross a coloured cob with an arab and get a coloured PBA foal.

Greys 'grey out' at different rates, depends on the individual. Here's my filly's Sire, he's alot darker than her and he was also chestnut as a foal.

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