H&H WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!

Am I not allowed to join in the discussion because I have a dofferent opinion then?

I was referring to "the enemy" as the H&H girl, bercause that's who a couple of people seemed to think I was.

Still, don;t worry. I'm sure that the girl at H&H will be properly told off in the morning when the letter complaining about her gets there.
 
Of course you can join in any conversation you like.
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You may not agree with other people and others may not agree with you - that's the beauty of life.....keeps us all ticking along on our toes and makes us think.
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No one has called anyone the enemy. No one has said you are not entitled to an opinion. If someone makes a mistake in their job why should they not be told. This isn't personal about the girl that wrote the article at all - H&H should ensure articles they publish are factually correct - the responsiblity lies with them to check what they put into print. I want to buy a magazine that I can trust to be 'right' about what they print. Why would I trust any of their veterinary advice if I know they print stuff that is factually wrong? It is all about standards and professionalism. You are clearly upset that we have critiscised this article so lets leave it there shall we?
 
The original post has obviously been worded different to how you would word it as it is a subject close to her heart and one she knows the facts about. If it were me, as I dont own a Cremello, I may have worded it more like you have as the mistake wouldnt offend me directly.

But say you had a child with white hair and blue eyes and someone called her an albino you would be fuming wouldnt you??

No one is having a go at you, so dont take it to heart. Words can be read differently to how people intend them to be read. This is an open forum and people are taking what you say on board, some will agree, some wont, that is what forums are all about
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i THINK (please someone correct me if im wrong!) that the dun gene is different to the cream one and the colour that results from the bay and cream genes is in fact buckskin which we refer to as dun but is different as it has no dorsal stripe.
 
For what it's worth thanks for bringing this to our attention - I was totally facinated by the whole cream this, chestnut that - see I'll have to go read the posts again, takes a while to sink in with me! I love anything that furthers my education on horses and so some good has come out of someone's rubbish research.
 
Arrrr yes, you're right. My old dun was indeed a buck-skin.

He did have zebra stripes on his knees and hocks and spider webbing on his forehead. However, as you say he didn't have a dorsal stripe
 
Quote "If I make a mistake doing my job - the job I get paid for - I expect to get told about it - and it is unlikely to be in tiptoe tiptoe nicely done way either. I get paid to do a job and do it well - end of. I would expect to get pulled up if I got it wrong - that is life." Yes but it would or should not be done in a public manner. This ariticle is different because it is public & therefore open to public criticism. It is perfectly acceptable for Chambon to point out their error. Tara Tee you are at liberty to view your opinions as well, I dont think anyone has an issue with that.
 
Tara Tee - no room for mistakes in journalism!

Get your facts right or don't publish - it's the first rule of any publication.
 
I have a dun (no dorsal stripe) and was told that her sire was a palamino, presumably to a bay. Does anyone know if that is correct.

As for criticism of the HH article it has led to a really interesting discussion on colours - I cant wait to speak with authority on how to make a palamino
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Tara Tee - no room for mistakes in journalism!

[/ QUOTE ] Very true, AmyMay! I used to write a lot of articles for horsey magazines and used to double-check everything I wrote - but still the odd mistake will get through. Someone did write to the editor once and point a mistake out, but I wasn't offended or upset - it just goes with the territory! Internet forums weren't so prevalent in those days, but if someone had posted the same comment on a forum it wouldn't have troubled me at all! At least when you get feedback, even if it is negative, at least you know someone has read your article carefully
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I work at the premier training school for journalists, and it is drummed in to them from the word go. Check your facts, sources, spelling!
 
Why do they scare you? Is it the funny eyes? I do have a friend that can't bare to look at my mare's eyes as they make her eyes water, but I think they are absolutely beautiful
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Now, in answer to your question.... If you cross a cremello with a bay you will get either a buckskin, palomino or smokey black.
 
Yes I think it is the eyes they make me go a bit funny, I do think your mare looks really kind though…I know it is silly to discount a good horse on its colour but it would just put me off…

Now for my next question – have any cremello’s won any major title? What do they make the ‘best’ - for example allrounders, driving etc!
 
I'll have to pass you Ivy's breeding and you can explain exactly how a bay TB mare can be put to a "bay" Welsh Sec D and come out with a foal that appears cremello at birth but now a funny smutty pally with black spots and patches!!

I think her dad was wrongly labelled bay - doesn't have black points for a start, but there are a pally or two and a cream or two a few generations back in the Welsh side.

I have to say I love all this colour genetics though. I did know I'd get a pally if I put my ginge to a cremello. Also if I put her to a chesnut I guaranteed get a chestnut. If I put her to a pally - 50-50 on a chestnut or a pally and if I put her to a grey, 50-50 on a chestnut or a grey!


But on the original point, I would always have taken HHO's word on something as correct - but we have had 3 or 4 major stories in the last year that have been wrong or misleading.

You can't do that in journalism and be sloppy in your facts or you'll get sued!

Can you imagine if someone took the advice on towing cars, bought one not suitable and had an accident following their recommendations? After all this is a reputable magazine, classed as the industry leader. Its not a kids pony magazine, its the professionals choice in Horsey mags!!!

You can't build a reputation as the elite magazine, the one to advertise in, the one to be seen in, the best.... and then start getting your facts wrong!

Slippery slope....
 
I was taught that dun's and palominos were washed out colours of bay and chesnut?

Never been taught about cremellos but I will admit that I find them very interesting to look and hear about.
 
My mare was born chesnut, went pink with white spots and is now grey, so for breeding purposes is she chesnut or grey? She is in foal to a (gorgeous) skewbald stallion - so what colour could my foal be??
This is one of the most interesting threads I have read for a while, maybe someone should start a genetics thread...
 
Tan (my sisters horse) is a bay despite coming from Apps. Her sire, (R Mellow Kinsman), grnd parents & gt grnd parents sire side Apps. Mare, (Blythwind Showgirl), grnd parents & grt grnd parents Apps. We did wonder if she had taken to Lord David S what the likely hood of her producing something with spots was, in the past she has produced spotty offspring.
 
He is a very dark dun I think. Mainly dark but not quite black but with golden hair sprinkled in around his stifle and muzzle... I really need her passport as he's not on allbreedpedigree for me to get the info but in his pedigree there is definately a few pallys and creams.

This is really the only decent photo I have of him at this precise moment...
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and head...
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This is her half sister out of a pally mare - very similar!
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and two off bay mares
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he has also thrown a dun, a couple more pallys, and two coloureds of a coloured mare, but mainly bays and a chestnut or two, and one the same as him.
 
I think that stallion is buckskin as his eyes look hazel.

This is a good site to have a play if you know your sire and dam colours.

http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp

I've had fun working out the different percentages from all my mares put to Derek. Thanks to another forum for posting this link.

You can get a paly from a hetrozygous piebald if the hidden gene is chestnut which is quite possible.

I also think H & H has a responsibility to get this sort of fact correct, however having said that there are a lot of people who do not come into contact with the cream gene and are unaware of how it works, or the fact that they is no such thing as an albino horse. Colour genetics is quite complex.
 
just want to say i LOVE your mare,shes stunning
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i used to ride a lovely old boy called lancer who was cremello, wanted to buy him but the owner wouldnt part with him
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Hi guys,
Going back to the original point. According to the general animal science fraternity, although true albinism doesn't exist in horses, it is called incomplete albinism. This is because the albinism geneotype (the genetics bit) is not complete or fully displayed in the phenotype (what we see... colour, height etc). Usually, in horses it's that the eyes are not pink as in other species.
I suspect that the girl that wrote the article, as someone said before, was probably told that the horse was albino and took it in good faith. So isn't the error that of the person who told her? Nobody can claim they know everything about horses.
If you're annoyed with what she's put. Why not just write to the editor about it and ask for a correction or something rather than slating this poor girl on a public forum. I don't care what anyone says, I'd be upset if somebody slated me publicly for a blip I'd made at work. I'm sure the girl that messed up my bank account a few years ago wouldn't be happy if I posted it on bankersRus.com
Anyway, it's spawned an interesting thread about something which is not fully understood anyway.
Happy typing!
 
Your banker didn't mess up in public therefore its slightly different. H&H is on public display for all to see and read and learn from. It has a duty to get its facts right!
 
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