H Tobago

Pat you do make me laugh! I'm glad Sparks is being more laid back, though - sounds like such a lovely chap.

Here's a pic of Sparks looking more sparky, for those who missed it:

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micramadam said:
On the contrary, I DON'T want a pony foal which is why I am hesitant.
I do however believe that this injection of 'new blood' is exactly what is needed for the KWPN studbook. There are far too many foals bred from the same stallions year after year.

This is the mare I am thinking of using:

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and this was her first foal (now 2 years)
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I always make a point of seeing the stallion 'in the flesh' so to speak so that I can be absolutely certain that he will improve on what the mare is lacking and also some of his offspring. Not planning on putting mare in foal again till 2014 as she is currently competing in affiliated dressage and we want to get her up to advanced level before breeding another foal from her but I will be getting in contact with you when ready and will keep watching his progress and that of his offspring.
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Oh how stupid of me! I completely misunderstood your first post and thought you wanted to breed for those 'pony' categories.

Jolly pleased that wasn't what you meant after all, especially now having seen your very beautiful mare and her first foal! WOW!

You would of course be very welcome to come and see my boy any time - although I realise this won't be for a while, as her dressage career must take priority.

Meanwhile, his 2013 foal out of imafluffybunny's graded WB dressage mare Roulette will be one to watch out for...
 
Thanks HTobago and Ribbons for the lovely comments.
I happen to think a foal out of the Grey mare by HTobago will be stunning though the majority of breeders over here will think me mad for doing so. I, however, am not so short sighted!

We are hoping to take the foal in the pictures to the stallion grading which starts at the end of this year. Desperately trying to find a decent place to prepare him for this but as we are not 'breeders' as such they are being extremely ignorant and ignoring our e-mails. Manners over here leave a lot to be deserved.:rolleyes:
 
micramadam, hope your inspired thinking leads to success, there are many of us out here breeding what WE want and not following the crowd

on mainland europe i've found too much regimented following the leader, got have this and that bit of paper, hundreds of foals by the same stallions exclusion of crossbreds etc.
 
htobago said:
Oh I would LOVE to see a Tobago foal out of one of Archie's gorgeous daughters! (Don't mind which one - Archie stamps them all with the same excellent qualities!)

One doesn't see many (if any) straight Arab/ID crosses - although if one thinks about it, this cross could be just as successful as the classic TB/ID, don't you think?
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Murphy was a straight Arab x ID, there are lots of photos of him on HBF. IMHO they are a far better cross than the ID x TB on the soundness and decent feet front. He had the floaty trot of a the Arab but was sensible. He went on to do Para's and had just got onto the World Class Performance Squad with 2012 in mind when he broke down. He did everything hunting, sidesaddle, showing, endurance, dressage. It is a cross that if I ever had the opportunity to I would do again, or maybe Connie x Arab.
 
tristar said:
micramadam, hope your inspired thinking leads to success, there are many of us out here breeding what WE want and not following the crowd

on mainland europe i've found too much regimented following the leader, got have this and that bit of paper, hundreds of foals by the same stallions exclusion of crrossbeds etc.
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Quite true. We used Vivaldi because he complimented our mare not because he was in fashion. I think the results speak for themselves.
Looking for new blood to use as there are far too many by the same stallions. It will be a nightmare in a few years time to find unrelated mares and stallions.
 
Micramadam, you've hit the nail on the head, new blood must be introduced regularly or we'll be in trouble in a few years. Unfortunately, as Tristar says, there is so much follow the leader going on.

In actual fact it doesn't matter one bit how a stallion performs in competition. What matters is how his offspring perform. A stallions only value and worth is in the breeding barn. He can be the top dressage/SJ/ eventer in the whole world but if he doesn't pass those talents on he might as well have the crown jewels whipped off and be a fantastic gelding.

I know some do both, but many don't. A non competing stallion who's youngstock excel in competition regularly is worth a million times more than a world champion who's stock are mediocre, and let's be honest, someone has to go first.

Thank god some breeders haven't got wooly coats and follow the trend all the time, if Tobago's sporting foals fulfil their promise, and yes it is early days and they may not, but if they do breeders will be confident in using him because he is consistent in stamping his stock.

Breeding is always a gamble and there are no guarantees, but I like to know my stallion of choice consistently sires talent. I couldn't care less if he exhibits talent himself, so long as his stock do.
 
Laafet said:
Murphy was a straight Arab x ID, there are lots of photos of him on HBF. IMHO they are a far better cross than the ID x TB on the soundness and decent feet front. He had the floaty trot of a the Arab but was sensible. He went on to do Para's and had just got onto the World Class Performance Squad with 2012 in mind when he broke down. He did everything hunting, sidesaddle, showing, endurance, dressage. It is a cross that if I ever had the opportunity to I would do again, or maybe Connie x Arab.
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Oh thank you Laafet! I was hoping someone here might have an example of this cross. Will go and look for photos of Murphy!

I would never knock the classic TB/ID cross, which in varying percentages has produced some of the world's top performers - as well as countless super all-rounders. But the right Arab blood can bring something extra, perhaps - particularly, as you say, in terms of soundness and movement.
 
micramadam said:
Quite true. We used Vivaldi because he complimented our mare not because he was in fashion. I think the results speak for themselves.
Looking for new blood to use as there are far too many by the same stallions. It will be a nightmare in a few years time to find unrelated mares and stallions.
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The results most certainly do speak for themselves - that foal is superb!!

I know there are concerns in other breeds about a handful of fashionable stallions dominating and narrowing the gene pool, but I didn't realise that this was seen as a potential problem with WBs as well. I suppose I sort of figured that with so many different WB breeds, and so many very good stallions, this would be less likely. Interesting to learn that it could be a problem, and that new blood is needed.
 
micramadam said:
Thanks HTobago and Ribbons for the lovely comments.
I happen to think a foal out of the Grey mare by HTobago will be stunning though the majority of breeders over here will think me mad for doing so. I, however, am not so short sighted!

We are hoping to take the foal in the pictures to the stallion grading which starts at the end of this year. Desperately trying to find a decent place to prepare him for this but as we are not 'breeders' as such they are being extremely ignorant and ignoring our e-mails. Manners over here leave a lot to be deserved.:rolleyes:
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Thank you again!

And I really hope you get that splendid colt to a grading - how very rude (and silly) of them to ignore your emails!
 
:D Whee! My big ISH mare by Carmel Head scanned in foal (14 days) to H Tobago this morning. Can't wait (although I guess I'll have to! :D)

I'll put money on the foal being chestnut (I think that's a sure thing as the mare is chestnut) and hopefully a little smaller than Katie's previous foals by my 17hh RID.

Many thanks to Kate, H Tobago's lovely owner. Just cross everything for Brook's scan next week and I might have two Tobagolings next year! I think Anglo-Arab with a touch of Irish Draught might be very nice indeed!
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the progress of these foals and how they perform under saddle.

He must have a 4yo crop by now? Any news on how they are doing?
 
Theres a 4 year old by H Tobago stallion. Pure Arab. He's for sale in Yorkshire for £800. He's on Arabian Lines. Might be a bargain for someone.
 
LilMissy said:
JanetGeorge - just resurrecting this thread - want to see pics of your Tobago babies please?!
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Go on then! They ARE early pics - foals are much bigger now (and plastered in mud) so haven't had the camera out!

This is Indigo Castara - ex IDxTB mare Bazaar's Brook - a bay fillie who looks VERY Arab-like - very pretty!
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And this is the colt - Indigo Paprika - ex my Carmel Head mare Katie. He has a slightly more masculine face (Mum doesn't have the prettiest TB head in the world) and looks very like an Anglo-Arab (which he almost is!)

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I'm thrilled with them both! They're obviously livelier than the IDs and ID crosses, but they are remarkably manageable - they've had their feet done by the farrier and were as good as any foal for the first time (and better than many!) And they really MOVE!
 
Lovely foals Janet. :D The colt really catches my eye.

Anglos and PBA's are often under-rated. Hopefully stallions like H Tobago will turn this around as there are some wonderful performance arabs out there (eg Ibn Ajwaad, HS Pirandelo, Dervatiw Gwyddion) that would cross really well with non arab mares.
 
micramadam said:
Thanks HTobago and Ribbons for the lovely comments.
I happen to think a foal out of the Grey mare by HTobago will be stunning though the majority of breeders over here will think me mad for doing so. I, however, am not so short sighted!

We are hoping to take the foal in the pictures to the stallion grading which starts at the end of this year. Desperately trying to find a decent place to prepare him for this but as we are not 'breeders' as such they are being extremely ignorant and ignoring our e-mails. Manners over here leave a lot to be deserved.:rolleyes:
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In the UK too. I was looking for a trainer for my young stallion, I AM a breeder not a trainer. As you say lots of people don't answer their email or phones. They also 'don't get' if I can never get in touch with you I won't send you a horse. I expect to get regular up-dates.
 
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