Ha ha!! Horse gives the middle finger to Pat Parelli!! tee hee!!

both pat and linda Parelli are both a pair of c0cks IMO. After seeing that blind horse and this on top confirms they are a pair of c0cks. They are know all, know ***** alls. I think they like to treat horses well until they think that the horse isn't going to do what they want - then they bully them into submission.

......did i mention they are c0cks?
 
marianneip said:
What I do find funny however is to see PP on his stupid cowboy ass. He deserves it and I hope it hurt.

Poor ponies :(
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^^ this.

friesianfan69 said:
Sorry but what a knob !
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Lol! ^^ and this.

Tifferss said:
both pat and linda Parelli are both a pair of c0cks IMO. After seeing that blind horse and this on top confirms they are a pair of c0cks. They are know all, know ***** alls. I think they like to treat horses well until they think that the horse isn't going to do what they want - then they bully them into submission.

......did i mention they are c0cks?
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Pmsl! :D
 
i had heard about the whole Catwalk incident but never really knew what went on.. after reading this thread i went and looked it up and the Linda with the partially blind horse i am APPALLED at what i have since read and found out from various different websites/people i can't believe people who are in the public eye so much can treat horses this way. And the fact that they have all the videos of their despicable behaviour removed from youtube etc just proves their unwillingness to show their real training methods.

I await the day karma bites him on the ass!
 
I don't understand what they are doing, it all seems very pointless to me!
So owner sends a young, weak not fully grown horse to some man to tug about in front of large crowd scaring the living heeby jeebies out of it, meaning next time you want to put a saddle on and get on it will take 10x longer.

Helen- You will be fine. I backed my ID by myself. She had been handled from a young age and then did probably about 3 weeks plus of ground work. Got on her for the first time and she was fine. I have backed quite of few at the yard I work at and none have reacted like that, though they all have done 2 weeks plus of long reining and work on the ground.

If it takes 6 weeks to get on it does. I would rather wait that long and never get thrown off than rush it! Its like taking one step fowards to take about 50 steps backwards otherwise.
 
From what I've seen of his "work", I have formed the opinion that Pat Parelli is a c**k, pure and simple. It looked like he thought it was a good idea to chase the baby horse around the pen, once it had chucked him off... good one, when it has a rope trailing on the floor. This is without even getting on to the topic of what the hell he thinks he was doing riding that little thing.

I agree with Rebels comment below... Parelli is just really weird... :S
 
jinglejoys said:
The baby is a three year old quarter horse,they start the racehorses a lot younger than that where I work ;)
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OK, I didn't realise it was that old. I just don't get Parelli. They start the race horse babies younger at the yard I'm on but they certainly don't go through the odd things PP does. They just crack on with them - in 2.5 years I've yet to see any chasing of baby race horses around a round pen, and certainly not with a whooping crowd behind them!

I stand by my first statement though... he is a c***!
 
chestnut cob said:
OK, I didn't realise it was that old. I just don't get Parelli. They start the race horse babies younger at the yard I'm on but they certainly don't go through the odd things PP does. They just crack on with them - in 2.5 years I've yet to see any chasing of baby race horses around a round pen, and certainly not with a whooping crowd behind them!

I stand by my first statement though... he is a c***!
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I'm not supporting Parelli, but let's face it, baby racehorses have a tough and hard working life, much harder work that being chased around a round pen for a few minutes, or even than taking part in this competition. They also go out to the racetrack when they are still babies where crowds whoop and yell at them. I don't see how anyone can imply that one is better than the other is all I'm saying.
 
Backing is not a race, it's training a horse to accept something unnatural because he/she trusts you and comes to learn that it means no harm. To rush a young animal in the name of sport is horrible, especially from people who purport to be involved in NH for the welfare of the horse. What a bar steward. Well done to the colt for working it out so quickly! lol.
 
Vixen Van Debz said:
Backing is not a race, it's training a horse to accept something unnatural because he/she trusts you and comes to learn that it means no harm. To rush a young animal in the name of sport is horrible, especially from people who purport to be involved in NH for the welfare of the horse. What a bar steward. Well done to the colt for working it out so quickly! lol.
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Hear hear VVD.
 
The horses in the "in a whisper" event were only two years old though.

The Amazon.com info states so...


"The only human interaction the horses experienced in the first 2 years of life was being gelded"

" The 3 horses they chose went to individual roundpens and from there the trainers were given just 2 ½ hours to work their horse in preparation for their challenge ride that would be judged based on the following:
1st- rail work or general handling ability, walk, jog and lope on the rail in both directions, turn backs, 360 degree turns in both directions, stopping & standing for 10 seconds and backing
2nd- obstacle course consisting of 7 obstacles 1. Walk through an hourglass cedar log path 2. Walk through a zigzag cedar log path 3. Walking over 3 cedar logs 4. Elevated jump or step over 5. Trot a "figure 8" around 2- 55 gallon barrels 6. Take a rope and drag a log around the arena 7. Rope a bale of hay and drag it around the arena
3rd- a free style giving each trainer the opportunity to do anything he felt his horse was ready for."

"All of this in front of nearly 2,500 spectators in the middle of Sundance Square in downtown Ft Worth, TX with 8 cameras capturing the action up close & personal"
 
The difference with race trainers is they don't claim to be the most natural, kind method of horsemanship available to the world and the aren't selling their techniques to the world.
Parelli have edited their website now but it used to state that "If you truly love horses, you'll love the parelli method" the link below should take you to a screen shot...
http://teambarney.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/parelli-screen-shot1.png

Also I don't think those who break racehorses are anywhere near the weight of Pat Parelli, and horses in racing aren't subjected to that atmosphere during their initial training. Perhaps I'm of a rare school but I believe horses should be backed calmly, quietly and by those of a lighter weight! That is certainly the way I have always done it, and I will continue to do so.
 
Not sure why you guys hate the Parelli duo so much? I am certainly not a lover of most of their practices but they can hardly be placed alongside some of the horse owning/abusing scum of this world....
 
mcnaughty said:
Not sure why you guys hate the Parelli duo so much? I am certainly not a lover of most of their practices but they can hardly be placed alongside some of the horse owning/abusing scum of this world....
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Good question which I will attempt to answer.

Speaking for myself, I dislike the Parelli machine because:

1) They do not appear to be for the horse, they are more for the money to be made from the horse. Although there is nothing intrinsically wrong with this, please be honest about it - oh wait, if they were honest they would not have so many blind followers.

2) The majority (but not all) of their devotees appear to be lacking in basic horsesense, these same followers insist that they are the ONLY ones who know how to train a horse.

3) I dislike indoctrinisation of any kind, it leads to intellectual blindness.

4) The half blind horse scenario coupled with what happened to that poor unfortunate stallion of the Whittakers, shows that they are both unable to read a horse properly and yet they have set themselves up as gods amongst trainers.

5) Both Linda and Pat appear to have started to believe their own press, this is rank stupidity and I hate stupidity. Their stupidity is exacerbated by the fact that they already think they know it all, therefore rendering themselves unable to learn. A closed mind and all that.....

I could go on but I don't want to bore you :)

I do agree that abusers abound in this world, the trouble with the Parelli's is that their mistakes are on the world stage so there is bound to be a backlash. Any decent horseowner who sees abuse from anyone will shout to the rafters and/or take action, the Stamford horses are an example of the power that right minded people have, those same right minded people will object to the crassness at best, cruelty at worst, of the money making organisation know as Pat Parelli.
 
Oops sorry forgot the whole point of this thread, my bad!

Yep not a good way to start a horse, seems more akin to the old american way of 'breaking'

No surprises from PP there and was very glad that the horse outwitted him.

Have to say though, was very impressed with the chestnut mare on the other video, what a fantabulous horse and rider combo.
 
found it - i love the quote "cannot rush or force it or you will push them over the edge......." again... c0ck
 
Don't forget consistently jumping foals over barrels (we're not talking 1 or 2 jumps once or twice)

Or advising someone with a serial aggressive biter to feed it treats

Or saying that someone who is physically disabled with balance issues doesn't need to wear a hat on one of their horses because they are so bombproof and well behaved that they can't slip, trip or stumble.....
 
Amaranta said:
Good question which I will attempt to answer.

Speaking for myself, I dislike the Parelli machine because:

1) They do not appear to be for the horse, they are more for the money to be made from the horse. Although there is nothing intrinsically wrong with this, please be honest about it - oh wait, if they were honest they would not have so many blind followers.

2) The majority (but not all) of their devotees appear to be lacking in basic horsesense, these same followers insist that they are the ONLY ones who know how to train a horse.

3) I dislike indoctrinisation of any kind, it leads to intellectual blindness.

4) The half blind horse scenario coupled with what happened to that poor unfortunate stallion of the Whittakers, shows that they are both unable to read a horse properly and yet they have set themselves up as gods amongst trainers.

5) Both Linda and Pat appear to have started to believe their own press, this is rank stupidity and I hate stupidity. Their stupidity is exacerbated by the fact that they already think they know it all, therefore rendering themselves unable to learn. A closed mind and all that.....

I could go on but I don't want to bore you :)

I do agree that abusers abound in this world, the trouble with the Parelli's is that their mistakes are on the world stage so there is bound to be a backlash. Any decent horseowner who sees abuse from anyone will shout to the rafters and/or take action, the Stamford horses are an example of the power that right minded people have, those same right minded people will object to the crassness at best, cruelty at worst, of the money making organisation know as Pat Parelli.
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So your thoughts above make you right and all those hundreds of thousands of people who follow the Parelli way wrong and most of them are desperately lacking in good horse sense?

Is that not quite a sweeping statement? In my experience I use bits of what I learn/pick up along the way when I feel they are useful. As I have said - not all of their teachings are what I would use but not all of it is a complete load of rubbish. I would never dismiss all they do and say as a matter of course...

Certainly, I know a couple of Parelli followers who would fall into your sweeping statement - they are both afraid of all horses and very small ponies to the point of being dangerous to others and use Parelli as some kind of last vain hope of handling horses with some kind of confidence. But, and this is a bit but I also know several avid followers who are extremely experienced competitive riders.
 
Well i love RTTH, The only dvd i own of it though is from 2003 when Clinton Anderson won it first, I was dumbstruck by it and so was many of my horsey & non horsey friends who borrowed it, the horses looked more wild this year from watching some of the clips on youtube.
Horses get backed in 3 hours using natural methods, i can think of a lot worse and more evil ways of backing horses as some "country & old fashioned people" do around where i live, now that leaves me horrified!
 
Well I wont be buying Horse and Rider no more as they have Linda Parallie(what ever) interview at the back. So it's the magazines that also promot them and what they do:mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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