had a massive complaint by the YM

I remember this thread too, would like to know the outcome.

Consumption of hay varies with my two, depending on the quality. I can give them a small bale of last years hay between them in the field of an evening and they'll still be picking at it in the morning. The new hay however, can be polished off in a little under an hour!

Water wise, I have a standard black garden bin and a huge blue container which holds probably twice what the dustbin holds. I need to fill them up every other day. They easily empty a large trug when back from exercise too.
 
MileAMinute said:
Agree, but on the principle that taking either thing is nasty and illogical. You wouldn't steal an injured horse's bute, so why deny it of it's basic needs?
This kind of thing really angers me, if you don't like the person, fair enough, but why take it out on an innocent animal?

I would follow others advice, OP, and monitor your horses input whilst at the yard. If horses are taking in that much hay and water, adjust accordingly, if someone is taking it, move pronto.
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Fully agree with this. Why anybody would want to deny a horse of their basic daily needs is beyond me. Then again, some people just don't care.

Sounds to me like there's more to this story than OP let on.
 
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For those who are interested, this is what an 8kg net looks like when loaded on a wheelbarrow. The wheelbarrow is a 110 litre not the standard 95 litre and as a point of reference the hay has come from that 4ft bale behind
 
i will happily update. yes i have posted i am looking for another yard right ow as i have ot leave. i had planned to over the summer as a priority anyway. the track where i keep my 3 is un passable for a lorry so over the winter its been impossible to move her. i was assured when i went there that the track would be sorted by the winter (this was august last uear).

the barrow i have is a large one as well. honestly dont know how much it holds. from the look of the picture above its a little (not much though) less than in that barrow. my goats obviously get considerably less. ive always judged it by what they eat i put a little more than that in. ive had this mare coming upto 19 years and shes in great condiotion. being honest shes never looked better!

the same old story has arrisen with my goats (my mare has been forsed to live out, shes coping a little batter than to start with but she was not a happy girl for the first about 4 weeks. its that much warmer now so shes ish OK with it), so the YM cant say a thing bout it. she said on the phone on monday night she wasnt sure if it was last weekend or the weekend before that the goats had 2 inches of water. OK even if they did (which they did not!!) thats actually enough for 2 goats until its filled up againin the evening. they actually had about 1/4 of a large flexi tub full. i was going to scrub it out the night i think shes talking about. which i did then they were filled right back up again. do this every now and again for hygines sake. the goats dont ever run out of water unless they tip their bucket over. i cant controll that.

my horse is fed hay by the barrow load, not trug to clear any confusion up :) she has a trug/flexi tub of water filled to the top when in. she usually drinks about 1/4 of that durin the day and 1/2 at night. once a week i dont top it up durin the day (if she has those quanitites left) and i clean buckets out. theres no drainage in the stables so it goes into the never ending mud outside the stables. it was in winter 1/2 foot deep!! i expect that in the field where its been a foot deep bt not 1 step outside her stable.

must confess im glad im going i just need to find a stable. i know my baled hay is growing legs shall we say. i hvent used that bale (deliberatly, ive used a different one that looks like its not open but is) and the other bale is going down ish fast by a barrow a day. basicly what i give my goats its dissapearing. this has gone on since october last year i think with hay, straw and feed. ive turned a blind eye to a lot because it suited me to do that. wish i hadnt now and left when i started looking in oct now. would have saved all this hassel. i will try and upload a photo of my 3 so you can see the condition they are all in.

i know what has been said about me sounds like i neglect my animals and that does break my heart as i adore my 3. they arent ust animals they are all very loved little creature that i would do anything for (not just saying it ether!!).

thank you all for your advise it really has helpped me as i did doubt myself to start with
 
Hope you find a new yard soon, unfortunately there are some very spiteful people that will take things away on purpose to get back at others/jealousy etc It's very stressful to be worrying when you leave them for the day/night, hope your holding up ok.
 
You are probably best out of there Susi, considering what the other livery told you about the place picking on folk. The horse world sadly has a lot of mean nutters and it's jealousy based.

Good Luck xxx :)
 
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hopefully that should be a piccy of my beautiful girl :)

Im not techy at all. this isnt a this week photo but it is from about a month ago. i think she looks better now than then as her summer coat is coming through

Thank you all for your reasurance. i didnt think i was doing anyting wrong. i do think all of this is the old fashioned horsey type of breed of person (theres a huge turn over of liveries, theres only 1 i think thats been there longer and ive only been there since august!!)



Thank you all again. just need tofind a better home for my girls now
xxx
 
Depends on wheelbarrow size and how tightly packed. One of mine drinks nearly one of those trugs of water if he is in at night.
 
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argh my piccy didnt work :( I have no idea how to do it then. i tried, sorry

My anmals, horse and goats have hay left and water left. the only time my horse didnt is when she dunked her hay because i left it by her water. lesson learnt so its moved and she doesnt run out now :)

my lot simply wont eat those amounts of hay. i will try it next night shes in though to be sure. usually she has id guess about 6/7kg so not much less than the 8kg barrow shown. water never had an issu with this girl. my other mare she was a naughty girl and used to tip her buckets over then thro them at people in the yard she didnt like haha
 
susi said:
argh my piccy didnt work :( I have no idea how to do it then. i tried, sorry

My anmals, horse and goats have hay left and water left. the only time my horse didnt is when she dunked her hay because i left it by her water. lesson learnt so its moved and she doesnt run out now :)

my lot simply wont eat those amounts of hay. i will try it next night shes in though to be sure. usually she has id guess about 6/7kg so not much less than the 8kg barrow shown. water never had an issu with this girl. my other mare she was a naughty girl and used to tip her buckets over then thro them at people in the yard she didnt like haha
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If your YO is saying she is running out of hay how can you claim she wouldn't eat that amount? If you look at my picture - the 8kg of hay is 2 large haynets tightly packed (and still fairly compacted on the wheelbarrow). Have you weighed how much hay you are feeding? guessing at 6kg isn't really the same...

As I have said before - you horses may not be in poor condition as they are getting full dietary requirements over a 24 hours period. That does not however mean that being stood with no hay for extended periods is acceptable - far from it...
 
It's very difficult to judge how much hay a horse is getting from someone else's photo of what they give theirs. I can carry what my two big boys (16.3 and 17hh IDx) eat between them overnight in one normal size wheelbarrow. They get about 15kg each (I weigh it frequently to make sure) in the middle of winter and about 10 now the grass is starting to come through. It comes from large square bales and they have a section each which are very tightly packed so it's easyto stack them one on top of another to carry. By the time I've shaken it out and fluffed it up in their hay bars, they're overflowing. In that state, one hay bar full would probably fill 2 -3 wheelbarrows!
Weighing is the only way anybody (inc OP and all those saying it's not enough) can know if the horse is getting enough and even that's not 100% accurate due to water content. If her condition's good and she seems happy that's the main thing.
 
annagain said:
It's very difficult to judge how much hay a horse is getting from someone else's photo of what they give theirs. I can carry what my two big boys (16.3 and 17hh IDx) eat between them overnight in one normal size wheelbarrow. They get about 15kg each (I weigh it frequently to make sure) in the middle of winter and about 10 now the grass is starting to come through. It comes from large square bales and they have a section each which are very tightly packed so it's easyto stack them one on top of another to carry. By the time I've shaken it out and fluffed it up in their hay bars, they're overflowing. In that state, one hay bar full would probably fill 2 -3 wheelbarrows!
Weighing is the only way anybody (inc OP and all those saying it's not enough) can know if the horse is getting enough and even that's not 100% accurate due to water content. If her condition's good and she seems happy that's the main thing.
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The point I was trying to make was that my wheelbarrow is piled nearly 4 foot high and only holds 8kg - she could be seriously underestimating the amount which is why I suggested weighing it. Also a horse stood with no hay will never be a happy horse :(

Edit - OP we all see threads on here "OMG X isn't feeding their horse enough but I don't know what to say" - if someone has actually challenged you on the amount you are feeding my impression is a that they may have a point and there is no conspiracy going on. If you hear hooves in a stables assume horses not zebra - ie it far more likely that you aren't putting enough hay/water in than someone is sabotaging. As I have said before - why not just put more down - problem solved!
 
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Question as a returning Lady of a Certain age, is a trug that you are all referring to one of those flexible rubbery things with integrated handles?
If so, are they better than buckets and can horses get their hooves stuck in the handles? Probably a stupid question but I have never seen one being used, only buckets or automatic drinkers.
 
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Fides said:
The point I was trying to make was that my wheelbarrow is piled nearly 4 foot high and only holds 8kg - she could be seriously underestimating the amount which is why I suggested weighing it. Also a horse stood with no hay will never be a happy horse :(

Edit - OP we all see threads on here "OMG X isn't feeding their horse enough but I don't know what to say" - if someone has actually challenged you on the amount you are feeding my impression is a that they may have a point and there is no conspiracy going on. If you hear hooves in a stables assume horses not zebra - ie it far more likely that you aren't putting enough hay/water in than someone is sabotaging. As I have said before - why not just put more down - problem solved!
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I think we're making the same point. Your wheelbarrow full is very different from my wheelbarow full. OP's could be more like mine but everybody assumes it's not. I understand why but OP insists horse is in good condition and seems happy so she can't be having too little. I agree being without for long periods is not good, but it doesn't seem that we ever established she was - other than the YO's comments and OP is fairly certain YO is not 100% honest.
 
annagain said:
I think we're making the same point. Your wheelbarrow full is very different from my wheelbarow full. OP's could be more like mine but everybody assumes it's not. I understand why but OP insists horse is in good condition and seems happy so she can't be having too little. I agree being without for long periods is not good, but it doesn't seem that we ever established she was - other than the YO's comments and OP is fairly certain YO is not 100% honest.
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Yeah I guess :) if the complaints of underfeeding stop at new yard OP is vindicated and can give two fingers to old YO :) when the spring grass is through properly the horses will need less at night anyway - mine are already leaving some and my field looks nearly bald eek
 
LessThanPerfect said:
Question as a returning Lady of a Certain age, is a trug that you are all referring to one of those flexible rubbery things with integrated handles?
If so, are they better than buckets and can horses get their hooves stuck in the handles? Probably a stupid question but I have never seen one being used, only buckets or automatic drinkers.
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Yes, those are trugs LTP. They are very popular nowadays, they are very flexible so don't get broken if the horse stands on then, they squish and dont cause injuries in the same way. I've never heard of a horse getting it's hoof stuck in a trug handle, and the handles would be safer than a bucket in that way. They are'nt as good as buckets for carrying water in, as when you pick them up by the handles they squish in and spill water instead of staying rigid like a bucket.
Used for water, feeds, and muck buckets, amongst other things.
 
I weigh my hay every day mainly because I have a fatty cob and don't want him getting overweight. I have seen people stuffing a large haynet and the horse eating it in a couple of hours. When said haynet is actually weighed it comes up at about 6lb. which is far too little for a 16HH. People are often saying on here for example they give their horses two slices of hay, what does a slice weigh ?
 
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I weigh my hay every day mainly because I have a fatty cob and don't want him getting overweight. I have seen people stuffing a large haynet and the horse eating it in a couple of hours. When said haynet is actually weighed it comes up at about 6lb. which is far too little for a 16HH. People are often saying on here for example they give their horses two slices of hay, what does a slice weigh ?
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About 4 lb
 
While at a yard, it was the YM removing hay from my horses, he told another livery I was feeding too much, my measure is, if they have none left, give some more, if they leave some, give a little less, YM was used to ponies, mine were 16 3hh and a 15 2hh, followed by a 17hh, YM was new to the job and didn't have a clue, his own pony was often left from 6pm till 7am with no hay
 
mine must be terribly underfed in spite of being so fat this year I have to watch them for laminitis as they have a slice of hay between two of them and a small feed of speedibeet grass nuts and an egg cup full of linseed this year they havent lost weight at all as the grass is growing year round. Usually they drop weight March and April ready for the new grass that then come through. They do live out 24/7 but the grass is about the same length as a bowling green and they are only on half an acre each in winter less in summer. I get about 20-40 kgs of poo off the field dily in one big barrow from four ponies one 14.2 two 13hh and a 12.2 they look great year round and are in show condition with gleaming coats. The art of feeding horses is in the eye if they look good , they are bright and healthy looking it makes very little difference how much you actually feed in weight. Before anyone suggest they need more bulk and should have soaked hay or straw they would rather starve than eat it as when I had one on box rest after surgery she didnt touch any hay for the three days I soaked it I had to throw it all away (the wise said she would eat it when she got hungry fat chance) She was bedded on straw and didn't eat her bed and had a large corner manger full to the top of hi fi light which she also refused point blank to eat. So she went back to dry hay and her grass nut and speedybeet meals

Anyway I digress as I say if the horses look well and are bright and healthy then they are obviously getting enough. Water is a different issue it depends on the size of trug mine have three in the field of the large garden trugs these are emptied and refilled weekly and are probably topped up once in between. I think they hold about 6 gallons of water each
 
flirtygerty said:
While at a yard, it was the YM removing hay from my horses, he told another livery I was feeding too much, my measure is, if they have none left, give some more, if they leave some, give a little less, YM was used to ponies, mine were 16 3hh and a 15 2hh, followed by a 17hh, YM was new to the job and didn't have a clue, his own pony was often left from 6pm till 7am with no hay
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I moved to get away from similar to this! Person involved could not grasp that an animal that is still growing will need more food than one that is mature. Pony is much happier now, although currently having so much fun that he is running off calories almost as fast as we can get them into him...
 
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