Happy Days For ISH Breeders

Oh god. Will this never die? I had a quick read back through some of my posts there. Did you know that I came across like an ignorant, angry young fella! Oops ... Sorry about that!! To think, this all started with a bit of gentle banter between myself and a friend who was trying to wind me up!!!!!!!

I see Tim's post has been deleted. Button pushers at work?
 
Ignorant........... no, ill informed.............. yes ;)

I quite often come back to this post and mill over the musings. It's about the only sensible thing written here now!!!

:)
 
I have started reading this Happy Days for ISH breeders and have found it really interesting. I agree wholeheartedly with alot of what has been said.

I have a 4 year old mare, 16.1, by Galloway, 17. and out of a Ballinvella mare, 17.1 and I am going to breed her to an outstanding Arabian stallion Zygmunt. He is 15.3 a beautiful head and a 12 step which he has given to all of his progeny, 2 foals out of draft mares are beautiful, he has good bone and a lovely temperment. He has two young ones started jumping and they seem to like it, time will tell. I like Galloway very much and my Ballinvella mare is the best. I think the four year old is an example of a mare with good breeding getting a chance to have a spectacular foal. I will let you all know next year how it worked out. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained".
Wish me luck.
 
Tall Tree said:
I have started reading this Happy Days for ISH breeders and have found it really interesting. I agree wholeheartedly with alot of what has been said.

I have a 4 year old mare, 16.1, by Galloway, 17. and out of a Ballinvella mare, 17.1 and I am going to breed her to an outstanding Arabian stallion Zygmunt. He is 15.3 a beautiful head and a 12 step which he has given to all of his progeny, 2 foals out of draft mares are beautiful, he has good bone and a lovely temperment. He has two young ones started jumping and they seem to like it, time will tell. I like Galloway very much and my Ballinvella mare is the best. I think the four year old is an example of a mare with good breeding getting a chance to have a spectacular foal. I will let you all know next year how it worked out. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained".
Wish me luck.
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I like the Polish arabs I am sure it will be lovely, good luck & remember to post the photos
 
hello mayo, how is the stallion zygmunt bred? i am breeding part arabs and would be interested in any photos if poss, thanks
 
They should make this thread a pamphlet we can order and flick through at will. I'd totally buy it. Oh there could be pics of all the stallions mentioned and an appendix of all the mentioned equidae's 3 gen breeding.
I can dream!
Plus it'd make re reading it so much easier than on snail-y midlands broadband!
 
This thread, amongst others, has called into question many of the precepts which affect the market for the horses which we breed, and if not others then certainly I have followed it, with zeal.

Changes of heart or opinion? I'm not sure. I'm rarely certain of anything, but much which I've read on this wonderful thread, has either reinforced, or conversely, made me question my beliefs.

We tend to loose sight of the fact that this thread started with a particular reference to Irish Breeders, and there are those, I suspect who feel that traditional Irish methods have stood their breeders in good stead, previously, and then those who feel that Irish breeding has perhaps stagnated, or at the very least ceased to evolve, and now is, or is at risk, of being left behind on the world wide stage.

I must admit that I wonder where the next Master Imps, the Clover Hills and the Cruisings are to be found, or are they all ready out there?

Alec.
 
A fair question Alec. The honest answer is I'm not sure who those good young fully Irish stallions are!

You have the likes of Oldtown KC for sure but in reality how many mares that are fully Irish can he expect to cover? He's by Cruising, out of a mare who's a top preformer in her own right but she's by a son of Clover Hill and she's out of a Ballinvella mare!!! Realistically, the largest part of the traditional mare herd will have those genes anyway.

If nothing else, we need the influence of past stallions like Cavalier and Furisto or current ones like Lux and his many continental immigrant amigos for a bit of hybrid vigour and expansion of the gene pool.

My opinions have changed slightly in one respect. While at the beginning, I was making a list of the superstar continental based stallions I wanted to use, I've decided against that. When I look at the list of approved foreign stallions in this country, I think it's a roster of horses that any country would be proud to have so I plan to support Irish stud owners and use the best of what's available here. If nothing else, it'll help with the protection of jobs. I can't do much for our struggling economy but I can spend what money I have at home. I believe the political jargon for it is that it's the power of one!
 
Eothain said:
My opinions have changed slightly in one respect. While at the beginning, I was making a list of the superstar continental based stallions I wanted to use, I've decided against that. When I look at the list of approved foreign stallions in this country, I think it's a roster of horses that any country would be proud to have so I plan to support Irish stud owners and use the best of what's available here. If nothing else, it'll help with the protection of jobs. I can't do much for our struggling economy but I can spend what money I have at home. I believe the political jargon for it is that it's the power of one!
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That's interesting Conor; it would be a nice idea if some in this country were as responsible. We do have the horses in this country, it's a shame they don't utilize them without spending their money abroad.
 
Hmnmmm well changes of heart I don't know.
My heart says breen Irish all the way but my head says go Continental. This year I'm having a traditionally bred foal, by a TB sire out of a TB/RID mare and looking at the sale prices of Tb sired ISH foals, I don't think I can justify this strategy at the moment. They make by far the least overall. Continentally (sp?) sired ISH foals are making the most overall and as I breed to sell this is the way I feel have to go. This is a real real shame as my mares' bloodlines are top class and she is well related eventing wise but this will probably be her only eventing bred foal. How many other good eventing type mares are gone the same way?
So all in all I would say I've had a change of head as opposed to heart!
 
i always follow the heart.

i would always buy or breed from an irish horse in preference to continental and follow it through to ridden, but then i never breed to sell!
 
Actually there is a picture of him on our facebook page, Erris Equine Group, It's a public page ... You might have to scroll down a bit..Also he will be in the Stallion Parade at Cavan tomorrow Thursday 22nd of March starts at 6:00pm. He is by Ganges and out of Zuzanna by Wilejka... He is lovely and the very best temperment. Also at www.bordwinarabianfarm.com
 
I hope it doesn't die and again I hope they print it!!!! My Ballinvella mare is fab and I love her Galloway foals. He puts a good head, nice temperment, and he, so far, has shortened up their backs, and put a lovely step on my babies. They are very smart.... !!! My mare has a longish back which means she has room for her massive foals.
So far I am very pleased with them and so is my vet!
 
No change here! I still feel that the continentals should remain just that and that the ISH should also remain bred true! Although a few of the contintentals have snuck there way into our breeding program they are very much a seperate operation and are bred to be sold.
 
I agree with Eothain, too many nice stallions in this country no matter what you want to breed to spend my money elsewhere. So I will keep supporting the Irish stud owners as well.

Terri
 
Any info on zambesi will be appreciated...... semen quality? Does he breed small or big... He was recommended for my mare. She is only about 160 cm
 
5.5 years after this thread got started and i love it would love to hear some conclusions and how some breeding programs have gone. Have opinions changed? I my self have wb x irish and love them.
 
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