Harassment by the antis - anyone ever heard of this?

Scratchline said:
Is that the John Curtin who Trevor Morse tried to attack on the day he killed himself with his own actions?? I will stick with Bunce and c/o rather than toffs and the country thugs they attract with the slaughter of our wildlife. R.I.P fox hunting as was lol lol lol
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Trevor Morse wouldn't have attacked a fly! And who told you he attacked John Curtin - and what proof did they have. Just Curtin's 'word', I assume, which is worth very little! After all, Curtin didn't take the stand because his criminal record would have made him a VERY 'unhelpful' witness for the defence! Jurors might have realised that if the pilot had 2 AR activists (?terrorists!) with convictions for violence with him, he had no NEED to be SO scared of Trevor Morse that he HAD to escape - despite the dangers of moving a gyrocopter when there is anyone in the close vicinity.
 
JanetGeorge said:
Tell that to the former Master of the Surrey Union! Hunting was over, Mark was hacking hounds back to the lorry when a sab blocked his path and grabbed the reins of his horse, dragging down on the bit and causing the horse (whose mouth was badly torn by the sab's action) to rear up and go over backwards.

Mark was trapped under the horse who was badly winded - but pure luck his back wasn't broken. Mark suffered a ruptured kidney! Most sabs would not DELIBERATELY hurt a horse - but ignorance and stupidity around horses inevitably leads to horses getting hurt!

It could also lead to sabs getting hurt! I recall at one hunt a sab kept rushing up behind horses and our very courteous hunt chairman - who was on a big young TB said: "Please don't come up behind my horse - he WILL kick and then you'll be in real trouble." Sab yelled back: "No mate, if your horse kicks ME then YOU'll be in trouble!" Hunt Chairman replied: "Giving evidence about how your death occurred will be immensely embarrassing to me - you won't be there to enjoy my discomfiture!" Sab didn't get it! :rolleyes:
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Mark is a former Master now? God I need to catch up!

The buggers slammed a whipper-ins horse through a barbed wire fence (sadly, the whipper-in was charged for kicking the **** out of the sab for it rather than the sab, ironically, done for animal cruelty!)

SU sabs have also terrorised small children and loan women, easy targets for weak men I suppose.

I think Mark also gave evidence of Surrey Sabs killing foxes. Now there IS irony for you!
 
Just to add a small thing about 'Sabs' a very good friend of mine is in the D & C police and he attends all sorts of protests. He says he sees the 'rent-a-mob' brigade bused into all protests, he arrests the same faces over and over, be it at a hunt meet or at a protest at RAF St Mawgan or Devonport Dockyard or crowd trouble at Plymouth Argyle. They are 'paid' a wage for the day given free transport and fed and when questioned couldn't tell you what they are there protesting about half the time.

Yes there may be sabs who love animals, but a large % of them are unemployed louts looking for a fight who couldn't care less who or what gets injured.
 
Caledonia said:
As someone who has had firecrackers thrown under a horse out hunting, I think you antis are sad individuals who have a twisted view of the class system, hence we are toffs and the country thugs according to the blinkered such as Scratchline.
Toffs and country thugs all with the same blood lust and hatred of foxes! That is neither twisted or blinkered. Its the truth as the vast majority of us living in the countryside know. Your problem as proven with your next rediculous couple of sentences is that you dont like us because we are anti your sick little hobby. You know absolutely nothing about us so make it up as you go along. I know what the hunts do. I know those involved, who they are, what they are like in real life. I dislike for a reason. You dislike to protect the ripping apart of a live creature!!!



Why not do something useful, you antis, like fighting to change the laws on transportation of food animals? The suffering there has to be seen to be believed. Or is it that hunting is an easy target, and nobody pays you to to fight some real welfare battles?
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Why oh why do you hunters allow yourself to say or post such absolute rubbish as you have above. You have no idea what any anti is invloved in outside of the hunting debate. None whatsoever and you believe such things give you some sort of ammunition against those who support the hunting ban. You just prove once again how defeated you really are.
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Eagle_day said:
The fact that you associate with convicted felons speaks volumes, Skidmark.

As for RIP hunting that was, hunting has never stayed the same but always evolved to deal with new difficulties - like barbed wire, the railways and the Hunting Act 2004. And it will continue to do so, although I suspect things will be a bit easier after 6 May.
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The fact you call people names speaks volumes but then you always have been rather sad. As for associating with convicted felons, I just love the way you take someones words and make up your own little story lol lol If only you could hold your own in an adult debate it would makle such a nice change.

You think May 6th will help your hobby return?? ROTFLMAO Its finished, forever.
 
mymare said:
LOL! Whoever it was who told you it's only toffs that hunt was very wrong! Oh sorry, then you say they're thugs - which is it? And it's hardly slaughter of the wildlife, the odd fox maybe which are vermin anyway.

Unfortunately I've never had the chance to go hunting, always wanted to. My horse is far too old to hunt, I really wish I'd taken her when she was younger, she would have loved it. :)

ETA if I ever had been on the fence about the whole hunting debate, these b*st*rds who call themselves animal lovers, then attack horses, hounds, and as stated above, children, would certainly have made me a strong supporter of hunting! They aren't animal lovers THEY are thugs, violent ones.
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Oh no, another one who either cannot read or likes to make up little stories!! Which is it?!
Please show me where I have said it is only TOFFS who hunt and I will walk around Cornwall naked for a week?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
JanetGeorge said:
Trevor Morse wouldn't have attacked a fly! And who told you he attacked John Curtin - and what proof did they have. Just Curtin's 'word', I assume, which is worth very little! After all, Curtin didn't take the stand because his criminal record would have made him a VERY 'unhelpful' witness for the defence! Jurors might have realised that if the pilot had 2 AR activists (?terrorists!) with convictions for violence with him, he had no NEED to be SO scared of Trevor Morse that he HAD to escape - despite the dangers of moving a gyrocopter when there is anyone in the close vicinity.
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So you have not seen the video evidence then which clearly shows what actually happened. The video evidence which was shown in court. The video evidence which the jury based their decision on?!
You can 'assume', whatever you please but you will look stupid without evidence to back it up!

It doesnt matter one little bit who was or wasnt the passenger. Now you want to denounce the near victim of an assault stating his criminal record made him an unfit witness. Good oh. How about Trevor Morses criminal record?? Any ideas?!
 
Oh no....my UI seems to have deleted since the move. I'll have to sort that.

Anyhoo, I have only hunted three times and two of those trips were blighted by kn@bheads in balaclavas :( They were running through the woods wielding sticks, it was terrifying. They were jumping out of bushes smacking sticks on the ground to spook the horses. They also laughed and shouted abuse about the fact that my pony only has one eye. Animal lovers eh????

Luckily this came in handy when we were at full gallop through the woods. An anti jumped out from behind a tree to spook Zoom. It was on her blind side so she didn't spook.....but he almost got trampled!
 
As much as i am against fox hunting, i am just as against these stupid sabs who mess it up for us people who are against it, can form a valid argument and ARE animal lovers who would never endager a horse or human. Maybe if they could control themselves i might join them to protest peacefully, but unfortunately i do not want to associate with thugs, as pointed out above, who just want a fight.

Why do they have to go about it like this? It does their image more harm than good and that means it does the cause more harm than good.

May 6th also poses a problem for me since mentioning lifting the ban. I do think there would be uproar though and it is unlikely to be overturned. Although i am sure many more people will injured in the name of running after a fox on horses.
 
Scratchline said:
Caledonia said:
As someone who has had firecrackers thrown under a horse out hunting, I think you antis are sad individuals who have a twisted view of the class system, hence we are toffs and the country thugs according to the blinkered such as Scratchline.
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Toffs and country thugs all with the same blood lust and hatred of foxes! That is neither twisted or blinkered. Its the truth as the vast majority of us living in the countryside know. Your problem as proven with your next rediculous couple of sentences is that you dont like us because we are anti your sick little hobby. You know absolutely nothing about us so make it up as you go along. I know what the hunts do. I know those involved, who they are, what they are like in real life. I dislike for a reason. You dislike to protect the ripping apart of a live creature!!!
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Oh dear, ranting and vitriol. Hardly a strong argument. I suppose you are now going to tell me that none of you get paid to do sab work?
How do you equate animal welfare with the abuse of horses?

As for the real welfare issues, I know perfectly well that none of you bigots are remotely involved in real welfare. Otherwise you'd be out doing something about that, at the markets, monitoring farms, following lorries and generally making the same fuss about how right you are in that environment. But no, you choose to bully (in gangs) people acting legally who will mostly afford you some courtesy.

The reason I even bring this up (in answer to your question), is that if animal welfare is your real vocation, you would not be using the tired old bigoted argument of class issues. Because really, how IS that relevant?

You just prove once again how defeated you really are.
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It may have escaped your notice, but hunting is alive and well and legal, despite your incontinent ramblings.
 
Caledonia said:
Oh dear, ranting and vitriol. Hardly a strong argument. I suppose you are now going to tell me that none of you get paid to do sab work?
How do you equate animal welfare with the abuse of horses?
Ranting? lol lol I think you will find I merely speak as I find. As for being a 'sab'???? I hunt as much as anybody on this forum. I simply believe fox hunting as was is 100% wrong, cruel and all involved are as bad as dogfighters. All very simple!


As for the real welfare issues, I know perfectly well that none of you bigots are remotely involved in real welfare. Otherwise you'd be out doing something about that, at the markets, monitoring farms, following lorries and generally making the same fuss about how right you are in that environment. But no, you choose to bully (in gangs) people acting legally who will mostly afford you some courtesy.

The reason I even bring this up (in answer to your question), is that if animal welfare is your real vocation, you would not be using the tired old bigoted argument of class issues. Because really, how IS that relevant?
Again you are talking through your backside I'm afraid. I am country through and through which people like you cannot bare to be true but it is. We in the coutryside do not support you sick lot! We dont want fox hunting as was thanks in OUR countryside. The sport of bloodthirsty toffs supported by bloodthirsty locals. Tired old biggoted arguement you say?? How is it relevant?? Because that is who hunts or are you missing the point?!



It may have escaped your notice, but hunting is alive and well and legal, despite your incontinent ramblings.
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Rubbish. Chasing foxes over time/distance and hounds ripping them apart is illegal so no nothing has escaped my notice! If nothing had changed you lot wouldnt be so desperate for repeal now, would you?! PMSL
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Jeez, that's some chip on your shoulder, Scratchline.

You still haven't answered the question about paid sabs? Also, as I am a fully fledged member of the countryside (farmer), you are attempting to speak for me, and you therefore are totally wrong. I am neither toff nor thug, just someone who believes in the right to hunt, and that it is not a welfare issue for the fox, but a pest control.
As a country person yourself, how do you feel when you lose chickens, or lambs to foxes killing gratuitously?
 
Helping the Police..the nearest we see of that is when they get arrested and put in the Police cars for trespassing, spraying obnoxious substances, illegal entry or any of the other things these scumbags do when they venture out into the countryside.
 
Caledonia said:
Jeez, that's some chip on your shoulder, Scratchline.

You still haven't answered the question about paid sabs? Also, as I am a fully fledged member of the countryside (farmer), you are attempting to speak for me, and you therefore are totally wrong. I am neither toff nor thug, just someone who believes in the right to hunt, and that it is not a welfare issue for the fox, but a pest control.
As a country person yourself, how do you feel when you lose chickens, or lambs to foxes killing gratuitously?
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Ditto all of the above!
 
Whilst I deplore the activities of a lot of anti's and respect a persons right to choose to hunt or not I have to say I get a little tired of this bit of mis-information used in support of hunting.

Caledonia said:
As a country person yourself, how do you feel when you lose chickens, or lambs to foxes killing gratuitously?
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Foxes do NOT kill gratuitously. They simple kill all available prey and given time would bury what is not needed for leaner times. Man has messed up the system by collecting large groups of the foxes prey togther in a small area.
far to many for the fox to deal with as nature intended. Therefor it appears that the fox kills for fun when in reality it just kills for food. Not the foxes fault man has provided it with more food than it can deal with.
Using incorrect information to strenghten an argument does the hunt no favours.

It would be so refreshing if, just for once both sides could take out the hype, bull and emotion. Sit down and have a sensible debate without trying to kill each other.

I wont hold my breath though.

PS Spent many years hunting but now dont and have seen the work of both parties up close and personal. Neither are pleasant to watch.
 
I don't buy that, I'm afraid, JunoXV. Killing 40 chickens in one go is gratuitous. There is no way the fox is killing to store, he's responding to his kill drive, nothing more.
Otherwise, he'd be dragging them ALL back out the hole he came in, not just one of them.
 
i totally agree with what you say, Caledonia, we farm too, mainly sheep way up in the welsh hills- the fox is a pest, he kills for the hell of it as well as for food. we have lost many chickens and ducks over the years, so much so that we gave up the duck idea!! now it is lambing, yet another bloody headache as there is now an explosion of foxes around these parts- many mangy ones amongst them. so much for the ban which has done NOTHING for the once healthy and manageable fox population.
 
Can sympathise with you. Our lambing officially started yesterday, fortunately we don't really have a fox problem where we are, and any that are seen are shot by the gamekeepers. The fox lovers obviously haven't seen the damage they can do to a healthy lamb, including leaving them with half a face. Seems they love some species more than others, weird.
 
im quite happy to say i havent witnessed anything to do with anti's except for shouting abuse until today, at which point i youtube'd anti's and was horrified to see that someone who is supposed to be an animal rights activist could do this to a horse, endangering both horse, rider and anti in one go! i personally think this is disgraceful. if someone assaulted me and my horse out hunting like that i can assure them they would have more than the living daylights beaten out of them, they wouldnt know what had hit them.
and to scatchline, please can we have a better arguement, all i have seen from you so far is mundane insulting of fellow horse fans and an attempt at sofisticated grammar. for your information i am 16 years ols, i live in a semidetched house that is in fact a building site, my horse is grazing on what might as well be mud and i am in no way a toff or whatever else you may want to call us.
 
I have received this post from HHO Admin:

"Your post has been edited to remove the reference to another member as "Skidmark" after being brought to our attention. Please refrain from resorting to name calling."

I have also received a PM from Mr Scratchline entitled 'Hey Mouthy' (which I have deleted unread as I do not correspond with thuggish antis).

Double standards? Perhaps - and we are seeing increasingly nasty posts from our anti troll. I personally believe he's a LACS employee - so, with his P45 already dated 9 May, he will be getting desperate.
 
Thats a shame, Admin seem to have forgotton that we all had nicknames in here, courtasy of Kieran, and Skids was one of them! I've been called many in here, and I certainly didn't go home and cry about it!

Scratchline is a broken record. Hunting is gone forever? Hunting never left, sweetheart. We jumped through some hoops and came back stronger than ever, the one pack that disbanded reformed, and antis and labour mps have been crying into their fluffy fox toys every night because, far from saving animals and making tories so angry their monocles fall out and they spill their afternoon tea, they've garunteed that more foxes die and enhanced the appeal of hunting so much that any Joe Bloggs now goes, not just the toffs.

In fact, labour just made hunting cool.

Which is a bit of a shame, because going back will decool it a little, and I think some packs would be wise to have drag days and kill days to keep up support, but for goodness sake, stop pretending to your obviously delirious mind that hunting ever went away!

Because more than 100% of the packs in the UK have hunted every possibly day since the ban. And that really isn't a good statistic, is it.
 
Eagle_day said:
I have received this post from HHO Admin:

"Your post has been edited to remove the reference to another member as "Skidmark" after being brought to our attention. Please refrain from resorting to name calling."

I have also received a PM from Mr Scratchline entitled 'Hey Mouthy' (which I have deleted unread as I do not correspond with thuggish antis).

Double standards? Perhaps - and we are seeing increasingly nasty posts from our anti troll. I personally believe he's a LACS employee - so, with his P45 already dated 9 May, he will be getting desperate.
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A LACS employee? Now that is funny lol lol As for abiding by the forum rules I do so you can. Simples.
 
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