Scratchline
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[quoteJust ask the twoodle writer to provide conclusive, impartial, scientific evidence that any hunted fox is in fear of its life.
Have you complained to Lush? *POLL*
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combat_claire
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Don't believe us - Dr Lewis Thomas has researched this aspect in depth, this is an extract from his article:
Wild animals are used to hunting and being hunted. They are adapted to it by evolution. What might be a devastating experience for man or even a domestic pet is part of normal daily life in the wild. Put simply, wild animals entirely lack the complex brain and mental abilities necessary to perceive the human concepts of fear and death. Wild animals do not flee from hounds from fear as we know it but through an innate fight and flight reflex, entirely conditioned by experience. And there is now a substantial body of scientific knowledge, recently published from different areas of cognitive neuroscience to support these observations. Observations which will come as no surprise to hunting people who have observed the behaviour of wild animals in the wild for generations and who know that for the major part of any hunt the quarry is under no abnormal stress. Moreover the physiological stress in the short final stage of a hunt is equivalent to no more than that of the strenuous exercise as might be sustained by a steeplechaser during the final stages of a 3 mile point which is, of course, entirely reversible....
And the Ann Widdecombes of this world might like to reflect in their anthropomorphic way on how a wild animal could possibly cope with life in the wild if it was constantly in fear of being caught. Of course they dont and you only have to observe a fox or a rabbit that has evaded pursuit, as did the Masters wife, to see how rapidly they return to normal activity, whereas you, I or even the formidable Miss Widdecombe would be a shaking wreck for days or weeks after a similar experience.
Wild animals are used to hunting and being hunted. They are adapted to it by evolution. What might be a devastating experience for man or even a domestic pet is part of normal daily life in the wild. Put simply, wild animals entirely lack the complex brain and mental abilities necessary to perceive the human concepts of fear and death. Wild animals do not flee from hounds from fear as we know it but through an innate fight and flight reflex, entirely conditioned by experience. And there is now a substantial body of scientific knowledge, recently published from different areas of cognitive neuroscience to support these observations. Observations which will come as no surprise to hunting people who have observed the behaviour of wild animals in the wild for generations and who know that for the major part of any hunt the quarry is under no abnormal stress. Moreover the physiological stress in the short final stage of a hunt is equivalent to no more than that of the strenuous exercise as might be sustained by a steeplechaser during the final stages of a 3 mile point which is, of course, entirely reversible....
And the Ann Widdecombes of this world might like to reflect in their anthropomorphic way on how a wild animal could possibly cope with life in the wild if it was constantly in fear of being caught. Of course they dont and you only have to observe a fox or a rabbit that has evaded pursuit, as did the Masters wife, to see how rapidly they return to normal activity, whereas you, I or even the formidable Miss Widdecombe would be a shaking wreck for days or weeks after a similar experience.
rosie fronfelen
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good article CC, but are the not so intelligent species on these threads going to understand it??
Scratchline
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Hi CC and thanks for the post 
) very interesting. Just been reading 'A veterinary opinion on hunting with hounds', again very interesting but best not tell Salami as it will spoil all stereotypical rubbish spouted by that particular idiot.
The vets make the point that the stress at the end of the chase may be deemed as causing suffering but hey, the sun is out and I will not be argueing with you lol lol
) very interesting. Just been reading 'A veterinary opinion on hunting with hounds', again very interesting but best not tell Salami as it will spoil all stereotypical rubbish spouted by that particular idiot.The vets make the point that the stress at the end of the chase may be deemed as causing suffering but hey, the sun is out and I will not be argueing with you lol lol
Scratchline
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Read it all and understood every word so if you turn your little tractor engine off I can read it out to you ;o) Bet you wish you had gone to school now lackey! lol lol
combat_claire
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Did you ever get hold of a copy of Charlie Pye-Smith's book - Politics of Prejudice - there was some fascinating stuff regarding the science of the Bateson studies.
Humph, sun shining!? It is all cloudy and threatening rain here - the answer is clearly to buy a Yorkie bar to cheer myself up!
Humph, sun shining!? It is all cloudy and threatening rain here - the answer is clearly to buy a Yorkie bar to cheer myself up!
rosie fronfelen
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CC, i guess i have bee receiving all sorts of childish messages from this tike from cornwall,being as his headings are aimed at me, thank heavens hes on my iggy button and i have peace!!
Scratchline
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No I havent Claire, yet. Been doing a lot of reading online as realised pretty early on I was a tad out of my depth with some of you who really know your stuff lol lol enjoy reading your posts as they are always very informative.
I will get a copy of the P of P and have a read on your recomendation
I will get a copy of the P of P and have a read on your recomendation
Scratchline
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Troll
combat_claire
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I have to say your posts always make me think! Can only be a good thing.
You should be able to pick up a copy of Pye-Smith fairly cheaply second hand as it was published in 2005 or 2006.
You should be able to pick up a copy of Pye-Smith fairly cheaply second hand as it was published in 2005 or 2006.
JenHunt
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I ticked other too as I had a long discussion with them by email, and also to some management bod in a store who clearly knew nothing.
BayJosie
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ohh Fab post CC thankyou for that. I enjoyed reading that.
soggy
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Think.....?????? Vomit more like, or laugh till the snot runs at his ignorance, stupidity and deluded ideology.
soggy
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CC just pulled the rug out from under you on that one Crackline. LOL
soggy
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They won't! It beyound their powers of reasoning, or they are just to blind to see the truth of the matter.