polyphonic
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Just looking to see if people have from a post below...mmmm.... maybe this should be an ANON poll instead!!
have you lied to sell a horse?
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Leary
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I couldn't lie when I sold my TB as I was hobbling about on crutches and I did tell her everything. When I sold my cob I said he wasn't for a novice and he made my 13 year old daughter nervous which I felt was enough said. People can read between the lines without having to list every mishap.
brackenhappy
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nope have never told a lie when selling any of my horses, dont see the point it only comes back to haunt you!! do know of a few people though that do, latest one states in an ad that said horse has no vices is well behaved, brilliant ride etc, the bugger rears when leading anywhere you need a chifney in its gob, drags you everywhere and as for brilliant ride well the person wont even ride it as is to scared to sit on it as goes vertical with you!!!
Tia
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No I've never lied when selling a horse and I've sold a fair number of horses. I want the best possible buyer for my horses and if I lied, I would reduce the likelihood of getting that, so it's not a risk I am prepared to take.
flowerlady
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latest one states in an ad that said horse has no vices is well behaved, brilliant ride etc, the bugger rears when leading anywhere you need a chifney in its gob, drags you everywhere and as for brilliant ride well the person wont even ride it as is to scared to sit on it as goes vertical with you!!!
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Is it the one under your name (The black one rearing)??
latest one states in an ad that said horse has no vices is well behaved, brilliant ride etc, the bugger rears when leading anywhere you need a chifney in its gob, drags you everywhere and as for brilliant ride well the person wont even ride it as is to scared to sit on it as goes vertical with you!!!
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Is it the one under your name (The black one rearing)??
jen1
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Haven't had to sell one yet but if anyone on this forum wanted to buy mine they'd know all about him by now so I couldn't hide anything even if I wanted to!!!!
Paddywhack
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I have actually never sold a horse,i am too soppy to...they have all left me to go to a better place where they are now pain free .....
Skhosu
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Nope.
the watcher
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No, first off too many people know me and my horses for me to ever get away with a trick like that, and more importantly, I want horses to be happy - whether they are sold or I have found loan homes for them. If they go with nasty surprises the horse will be unhappy, so will the new owner or loaner - every body loses.
arwenplusone
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Haven't had to sell one yet but if anyone on this forum wanted to buy mine they'd know all about him by now so I couldn't hide anything even if I wanted to!!!!
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Ditto this. Who wants a lovely well behaved mare?
Haven't had to sell one yet but if anyone on this forum wanted to buy mine they'd know all about him by now so I couldn't hide anything even if I wanted to!!!!
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Ditto this. Who wants a lovely well behaved mare?
Madam_max
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cobdonkey
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NO personlly Id tell people everything. I wouldnt lie as a horse may end up in the wrong hands and suffer. Only ever sold one pony as I out grew him and he needed to go further in his career and one horse that was too much for me following the birth of my daughter and self preservation mode kicking in. In both cases I was total honest as would rather that than them go to unsuitable homes and potentially suffer.
My horse had breeding to die for and movement to boot but he was a nightmare to deal with so I decided to be honest and sell him for far less so that I could sell him to someone that I new had the ability to deal with him. This way I knew he would be safe and by being honest and careful in vetting his new owners I knew I wouldnt have someones serious injury on my head!
My horse had breeding to die for and movement to boot but he was a nightmare to deal with so I decided to be honest and sell him for far less so that I could sell him to someone that I new had the ability to deal with him. This way I knew he would be safe and by being honest and careful in vetting his new owners I knew I wouldnt have someones serious injury on my head!
Bedlam
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No - I've never lied about any horse or, more importantly, pony that I've sold or passed on in any way. I've had loan ponies that have turned out to be very difficult/dangerous for the age group they've been aimed at. I've sent them back with a full report and been blasted because of it.
My daughter's ponies are still all within contact - her first pony was sold to our next door neighbour's granddaughter for her daughter to learn to ride on - you don't tell porkies in that situation do you? Her 2nd pony is still at the yard we bought her from and sold her back to, and take our terrier to be stripped at incidentally....!
I have a thing about people misleading others with regards to children's ponies. It's just not on - if your child can't ride it, why would you put someone else's child at risk? I've been on the wrong end of this, and I'm still cross about it.
My daughter's ponies are still all within contact - her first pony was sold to our next door neighbour's granddaughter for her daughter to learn to ride on - you don't tell porkies in that situation do you? Her 2nd pony is still at the yard we bought her from and sold her back to, and take our terrier to be stripped at incidentally....!
I have a thing about people misleading others with regards to children's ponies. It's just not on - if your child can't ride it, why would you put someone else's child at risk? I've been on the wrong end of this, and I'm still cross about it.
arwenplusone
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LIAR!!!
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Busted!
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Busted!
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CastleMouse
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No, I have never lied to sell a horse.
Tinker_Belle
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No.
Never would because;
1. It will ALWAYS come back to haunt you
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2. I couldn't possibly lie knowing that would affect the horses future happiness & health or the owner/riders. I don't want somebody elses death or injury on my hands.....
I had to sell a registered British Spotted Pony once due to circumstances. She truly was a beautiful little pony. Leopard Spot & so delicate she was literally a miniature thoroughbred. She was truly stunning & would have gone a long way in the show ring BUT, she was extremely nervy & scared & could be very strong & spooky because of this.
The way she behaved I got the feeling she'd been beaten as she would jump or shy every time you raised your hand & when we first had her, she would literally quiver with fear. Definitely not just nerves bless her
We did a bit with her but as I say, had no choice at the time but to sell her & she went for less than she was worth but I was 100% that she was going to an excellent home where she would be brought on & looked after. The lady knew everything that I knew about her & was completely willing to take her at her own pace & I knew she'd be loved so the money was secondary certainly.
If I'd lied about her quirks & problems she could easily have ended up being hit again or in inexperienced hands/bought for a child & caused injury to them & there's no way I could have forgiven myself for that, ever.
bonny
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is anybody telling a lie about not telling a lie to sell a horse ?
SpruceRI
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No, I'm a useless liar !!!
Treat those unto how you expect to be treated yourself or however the saying goes?
Hasn't exactly worked when the boot has been on the other foot though and I've been buying, so not everyone follows the same mantra it seems
Treat those unto how you expect to be treated yourself or however the saying goes?
Hasn't exactly worked when the boot has been on the other foot though and I've been buying, so not everyone follows the same mantra it seems
Tinker_Belle
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No, I'm a terrible liar!
What makes you think that Bonny?
Parkranger
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Nope although I haven't sold a horse as an adult. My parents have always been very straight though. Brought me a TB x who turned out to be a nut nut - sold her for next to nothing but the person who wanted her turned her around......
charliecrisps
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I would always be straight with somone, but im to soft to sell. If i told the truth about my mare no-one would want her, so it is easier to keep her, the old bag! But incidentally i have been lied to before... Poeple are horrid sometimes, it could potentially really hurt somone or the horse if they dont go to the right home!
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Yes, once - selling my first pony. We wouldn't have lied but we paid my YO commission to sell him for us because we didn't really know anything, and she told us to. White lies mind you - that I'd had him a little longer than I had, and that he'd done PC camp, which he hadn't. It didn't make a blind bit of difference to the pony he actually was, we'd done shows, done xc, been hunting and all the rest - there were no lies about the pony's personality or ability, and he's in the same home several years on and they loved him from day one so there was no harm done.
However, lying is not my style and subsequently selling horses I've had a tendency to be almost too honest. I would never try and sell a horse to an unsuitable home, so I don't see any point telling people untruths about a horse. Finding a good match of horse and rider is the most important thing in my eyes.
Can't say I've not been tempted though - the number of people who seem to think there is something wrong with a horse if it hasn't competed recently is astonishing - sometimes felt like I should have a disclaimer on my adverts saying "this horse has not competed lately because I have no transport and can't afford it, not because it is incapable of doing so."
However, lying is not my style and subsequently selling horses I've had a tendency to be almost too honest. I would never try and sell a horse to an unsuitable home, so I don't see any point telling people untruths about a horse. Finding a good match of horse and rider is the most important thing in my eyes.
Can't say I've not been tempted though - the number of people who seem to think there is something wrong with a horse if it hasn't competed recently is astonishing - sometimes felt like I should have a disclaimer on my adverts saying "this horse has not competed lately because I have no transport and can't afford it, not because it is incapable of doing so."
myjack
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Absolutely not!!!
I have sold one pony.....my sons first pony.
He was an absolute dream and it deeply saddened me to have to part with him.
I wouldn't lie about a horese, least of all one which was for a child.
When I was buying his 2nd pony I rang a woman about a 10yr old gelding.......her details of the horse was everything I was looking for. We drove 100's of miles to see him and when we arrived I fell inlove with him at first sight - he was stunning. My son and our friend rode him and he was fine - then I rode him and he bucked and bronked until he managed to get me off by throwing me into a brick wall.
The woman said how strange it was of him to do this - but then her husband came out and told us that this horse was sold to them by a woman who couldn't stay on him - everytime she tried to ride him he would ditch her......
The woman who was trying to sell me this horse knew full well I was buying this horse for my child.
At this same time that I was looking for a horse for my son, I went to look at another horse. Same thing - was told how 'Bomb proof' this horse was - with no vices etc.....then the darn thing spooked and jared to the side at the very least bit of noise.
However, we have a wonderful horse now who does as he is told and I feel safe to allow one of my most precious possessions (my child) to ride.
I know I paid over the odds for him but when this animal is carrying my child I really do not care about paying what some would say was 'too much'. I paid for the temprement which in my eyes, is priceless when he's got my child on his back.
I have sold one pony.....my sons first pony.
He was an absolute dream and it deeply saddened me to have to part with him.
I wouldn't lie about a horese, least of all one which was for a child.
When I was buying his 2nd pony I rang a woman about a 10yr old gelding.......her details of the horse was everything I was looking for. We drove 100's of miles to see him and when we arrived I fell inlove with him at first sight - he was stunning. My son and our friend rode him and he was fine - then I rode him and he bucked and bronked until he managed to get me off by throwing me into a brick wall.
The woman said how strange it was of him to do this - but then her husband came out and told us that this horse was sold to them by a woman who couldn't stay on him - everytime she tried to ride him he would ditch her......
The woman who was trying to sell me this horse knew full well I was buying this horse for my child.
At this same time that I was looking for a horse for my son, I went to look at another horse. Same thing - was told how 'Bomb proof' this horse was - with no vices etc.....then the darn thing spooked and jared to the side at the very least bit of noise.
However, we have a wonderful horse now who does as he is told and I feel safe to allow one of my most precious possessions (my child) to ride.
I know I paid over the odds for him but when this animal is carrying my child I really do not care about paying what some would say was 'too much'. I paid for the temprement which in my eyes, is priceless when he's got my child on his back.
siennamum
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I've been economical with the truth. If you list every tiny thing the horse does, as I've had done to me by people then you can make the horse sound terrible. There are so many degrees of what is ok to one person but would be wrong for another. I've had people who weren't as konwledgeable for instance put off by really trivial things which an experienced person would ignore, I wouldn't go into them in any detail if that were the case.
An example might be door kicking. I sold a pony which kicked the door at feedtimes, Not badly and easily managed by having the feed in the stable before he comes in.
I wouldn't mention this in detail to a more novice person as in my experience they are likely to go off and ask all thieir friends and be put off. I would probably mention it further down the process, once they knew me and accepted that if I said it wasn't a big problem, then that was the truth.
In the case of the door kicker and similar ponies I've sold the pony was absolutely perfect for the child.
An example might be door kicking. I sold a pony which kicked the door at feedtimes, Not badly and easily managed by having the feed in the stable before he comes in.
I wouldn't mention this in detail to a more novice person as in my experience they are likely to go off and ask all thieir friends and be put off. I would probably mention it further down the process, once they knew me and accepted that if I said it wasn't a big problem, then that was the truth.
In the case of the door kicker and similar ponies I've sold the pony was absolutely perfect for the child.
LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
No point in lying it will only come back to bite you on the bum.
Zoobie
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Have only sold my mare and was completey honest as she was sharp and quirky and I didn't want the new owners to be over horsed like I was. I felt if I didnt she would have been past from pillar to post. Infact her BD name was going to be butter wouldn't melt, as that described to her to a tee.
In fact I showed them video clips of her being ridden/competed by a professional rider, a good rider and then me, also clips of when she at her worst ( hated jumps and poles ) and her stunning best
The vet said he had never come across such a honest seller!! They still have her and are doing really well with her and her quirks. I might even see her next week as they are taking her to Monty Roberts re her phobia of poles and jumps
In fact I showed them video clips of her being ridden/competed by a professional rider, a good rider and then me, also clips of when she at her worst ( hated jumps and poles ) and her stunning best
The vet said he had never come across such a honest seller!! They still have her and are doing really well with her and her quirks. I might even see her next week as they are taking her to Monty Roberts re her phobia of poles and jumps
Abbeygale
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No I haven't lied about a horse to sell it - but maybe as siennamum said, I have been economical with the truth. If someone asks me outright for example has this horse ever bucked / reared / napped - then I would give the gods honest truth answer. A mare that I have recently sold used to nap very midly just after I had broken her (in the first couple of months of riding). It wasn't something that she still does now - but I do like to give potential buyers as much information as possible about a horse so that they can make the right choice.
However, if with something like this that the horse no longer did, if they didn't enquire directly then I wouldn't necessarilly (sp) tell them.
I have sold several horses over the last few years, as I have been taking project horses on. These are horses of all ages and from all backgrounds, but I have taken them from homes usually where the owners don't know enough, and so as a consequence usually end up with a badly mannered horse that has little or no schooling. After working with these horses I then do my utmost to find a suitable home for them, with the best possible owner. This does mean bluntly honest with the potential buyer, and sometimes this will mean it takes quite a while to sell some horses.
I would just like to point out that I don't do this for a living, and I only ever have a maximum of 2 project horses at a time. I work full time to pay for my horses, and this is a hobby - I know sometimes that when I tell people what I do with the horses that I take in they look at me as though I am a filthy horrid dealer - but I'm not! Honest!! LOL!!! When i sell the horses I do try to cover my costs - but at the end of the day if a perfect owner came along, then I would sell them for what I have brought them for if I had to.
I have just taken delivery of this morning my new project - which I wil post pics of in PG later on today! Very exciting!!
(sorry this got a bit rambly - must be the excitement of George- the new neddy!!!!)
However, if with something like this that the horse no longer did, if they didn't enquire directly then I wouldn't necessarilly (sp) tell them.
I have sold several horses over the last few years, as I have been taking project horses on. These are horses of all ages and from all backgrounds, but I have taken them from homes usually where the owners don't know enough, and so as a consequence usually end up with a badly mannered horse that has little or no schooling. After working with these horses I then do my utmost to find a suitable home for them, with the best possible owner. This does mean bluntly honest with the potential buyer, and sometimes this will mean it takes quite a while to sell some horses.
I would just like to point out that I don't do this for a living, and I only ever have a maximum of 2 project horses at a time. I work full time to pay for my horses, and this is a hobby - I know sometimes that when I tell people what I do with the horses that I take in they look at me as though I am a filthy horrid dealer - but I'm not! Honest!! LOL!!! When i sell the horses I do try to cover my costs - but at the end of the day if a perfect owner came along, then I would sell them for what I have brought them for if I had to.
I have just taken delivery of this morning my new project - which I wil post pics of in PG later on today! Very exciting!!
(sorry this got a bit rambly - must be the excitement of George- the new neddy!!!!)
Flame_
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No. I'm a seller's dream, if I like the look of it, I ask about two questions, ride for 5 minutes, if it passes the vet I'll pay full price. Then when I get it home and find out all the things about it that suck, I keep it anyway. The trouble with being honest for sellers is that for each negative trate about a horse they reveal, there is a good few (sometimes thousand) quid off the price that they either can't afford to or aren't prepared to lose.
brackenhappy
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latest one states in an ad that said horse has no vices is well behaved, brilliant ride etc, the bugger rears when leading anywhere you need a chifney in its gob, drags you everywhere and as for brilliant ride well the person wont even ride it as is to scared to sit on it as goes vertical with you!!!
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Is it the one under your name (The black one rearing)??
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Good god no!!! thats Picador he was born and bred in the Dominican!! has never set a hoof in england!!unfortunately he is now dead which is why i use him in my profile, the other horse i was on about is currently up for sale by someone i know i just dont want to post the whole ins and out about it as they would recognize themselves i think if i did!(if that makes sense) i havent got anything for sale
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latest one states in an ad that said horse has no vices is well behaved, brilliant ride etc, the bugger rears when leading anywhere you need a chifney in its gob, drags you everywhere and as for brilliant ride well the person wont even ride it as is to scared to sit on it as goes vertical with you!!!
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Is it the one under your name (The black one rearing)??
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Good god no!!! thats Picador he was born and bred in the Dominican!! has never set a hoof in england!!unfortunately he is now dead which is why i use him in my profile, the other horse i was on about is currently up for sale by someone i know i just dont want to post the whole ins and out about it as they would recognize themselves i think if i did!(if that makes sense) i havent got anything for sale
MrsMagoo
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Nope never...as people have said it will always come back to bite you in the arse lol. Every horse we've had to sell ive been 100% honest about, including my last mare who had back issues but were'nt sure what. I gave her all copes of the vets reports, she spoke to my vet and got a full full history of her. She wasnt the easiet of mares so I wanted somone who was going to manage her and bring her on again after her back problems....
I am still in contact now with every horse ive sold which is lovely
The last mare, doesnt seem to have come completly sound which is a shame, but they knew all about it and love her none the less...
I am still in contact now with every horse ive sold which is lovely