bhpride
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Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
Having horse PTS next week
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Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
ischa
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there are two different types of bolting
Deliberate bolting is also sometimes seen in horse racing when the horse chooses to ignore its jockey and run as it wishes, often in a manner that makes it difficult for the rider to maneuver the horse or rate its speed. Bolting race horses often head toward the outer rail of the track and even lose racing speed in an attempt to evade the rider's commands.
Horses may also bolt if greatly frightened when loose in a pen or pasture or where ever
it doesnt mean she cant be used as a broodmare
if conformation etc is correct or even put out to grass as a conpanion
Deliberate bolting is also sometimes seen in horse racing when the horse chooses to ignore its jockey and run as it wishes, often in a manner that makes it difficult for the rider to maneuver the horse or rate its speed. Bolting race horses often head toward the outer rail of the track and even lose racing speed in an attempt to evade the rider's commands.
Horses may also bolt if greatly frightened when loose in a pen or pasture or where ever
it doesnt mean she cant be used as a broodmare
if conformation etc is correct or even put out to grass as a conpanion
f_s_
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My sentiments exactly!
Doormouse
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And Shirerus passing a horse on as companion or field ornament doesn't guarantee that someone won't try to ride her again one day, peoples circumstances can change very quickly and how could you be sure that she didn't end up with someone who had no idea of her history. I once bought a Grade B showjumper from a local market, he and his lorry had been taken by the bailiffs and sent to market. He was a great horse but it took me ages to find out his history and it just shows how quickly horses can end up being sold on.
lauraandjack
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Why on earth would you breed from a horse that behaves like this?
People are having enough of a job selling quality youngstock from very good parents with proven competition records in the current economic climate.
Just because it is a mare doesn't mean that it should be bred from. After all, most geldings are gelded because they are not stallion material. Only the very best are kept for breeding and this is the way mares should be viewed as well.
And not everybody is in the position to be able to keep an unrideable horse as a companion or field ornament. Not all horses like being field ornaments. Do you think it would be acceptable to sell this horse on? Who knows where it would end up, it might even kill someone! Even if sold/ given away as an unrideable companion, people's circumstances change, they might sell on to a dealer, who may try and re-sell it as a riding horse.
If more people had the responsible attitude of the OP there might just be a few less badly treated horses in this country.
People are having enough of a job selling quality youngstock from very good parents with proven competition records in the current economic climate.
Just because it is a mare doesn't mean that it should be bred from. After all, most geldings are gelded because they are not stallion material. Only the very best are kept for breeding and this is the way mares should be viewed as well.
And not everybody is in the position to be able to keep an unrideable horse as a companion or field ornament. Not all horses like being field ornaments. Do you think it would be acceptable to sell this horse on? Who knows where it would end up, it might even kill someone! Even if sold/ given away as an unrideable companion, people's circumstances change, they might sell on to a dealer, who may try and re-sell it as a riding horse.
If more people had the responsible attitude of the OP there might just be a few less badly treated horses in this country.
Hippona
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LOL actually i have bought and currently have many field ornaments
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oh dear own goal, no point getting nowty just because i disagree with you dear
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Not getting nowty...just think indescriminate breeding is irresponsible.
Have you contacted OP with your very kind offer then?
LOL actually i have bought and currently have many field ornaments
oh dear own goal, no point getting nowty just because i disagree with you dear
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Not getting nowty...just think indescriminate breeding is irresponsible.
Have you contacted OP with your very kind offer then?
ischa
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Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
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why does every broodmare have to have good blood lines if everything else is ok confo faults etc why not
why not give her the option to be a mum if not good enough for ridden work
Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
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why does every broodmare have to have good blood lines if everything else is ok confo faults etc why not
why not give her the option to be a mum if not good enough for ridden work
Fransurrey
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I think you're doing the right thing, if she has history of this and you can't keep her as a companion. For me, such a horse could sit in the field, but not everyone can do that. I certainly wouldn't breed from a horse with behavioural issues. Having rehomed horses in the past I know how dishonest people can be about their intentions, so PTS is the only way to guarantee her future. Very sad, but possibly the kindest thing.
Hippona
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Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
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why does every broodmare have to have good blood lines if everything else is ok confo faults etc why not
why not give her the option to be a mum if not good enough for ridden work
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Too many horses out there already looking for homes....why add to their number?
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Broodmare? No god no, unless she has fantastic breeding maybe(?). I think enough waste is bred already like the endless litters of puppies and kittens ending up without homes
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why does every broodmare have to have good blood lines if everything else is ok confo faults etc why not
why not give her the option to be a mum if not good enough for ridden work
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Too many horses out there already looking for homes....why add to their number?
f_s_
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Again, exactly what I think. I would hate mine to be passed from pillar to post, beaten, scared, and demented because people wouldn't or couldn't understand his problems.
This mare would be in the same situation. How many people can honestly say that their circumstances won't change and they will keep a horse as a field companion for ever???
If you can guarantee that you must have a crystal ball! All you can do is promise to do your very best at all times for the horse, and give them homes for as long as possible, and trying your utmost to keep to that.
An animal like this, even as a field companion cannot be guaranteed that, and therefore the PTS option, is the right and responsible thing to do.
This mare would be in the same situation. How many people can honestly say that their circumstances won't change and they will keep a horse as a field companion for ever???
If you can guarantee that you must have a crystal ball! All you can do is promise to do your very best at all times for the horse, and give them homes for as long as possible, and trying your utmost to keep to that.
An animal like this, even as a field companion cannot be guaranteed that, and therefore the PTS option, is the right and responsible thing to do.
Doormouse
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I agree totally, why do so many people assume that PTS is the cruel option. Surely standing about all day in a field with flies in the summer and mud and rain in the winter with nothing to do but stare at other horses going out and doing things is far worse than going to sleep permanently. I am always seeing old horses turned out in the winter looking thin and unhappy and it makes me so cross because surely they are only being kept because their owner can't stand to not have them anymore. That to me is selfish. Remember that the only people who grieve are those left behind.
ridebumble
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Agree pts is best ... breeding from her? if you had a dog that bit everyone in sight you wouldn't breed from it,.... in the end human life has to come above other, with no guarantees about where she would end up in the future its too big a risk I wouldn't like to see the headlines in a year about a death caused by out of control horse and orphaned kids... which could be a reality
hellspells
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I 100% agree with all the sense people are talking. To the OP - I am so sorry you have to make this tough but correct choice for your girl - at least you are responisble and thinking about the horse not yourself.
To the few that feel she should be kept - what for a life of standing a field forever - possibly passed from pillar to post with less discriminate people who may or may not care for her? And a broodmare - honestly? People find it hard enough to sell youngstock that come from mares with no faults why on earth breed something knowing there are issues with the mare. Genetics are a gamble enough without adding something like this to the pot. Unfair to the mare and completely unfair to any foal that would be born.
To the few that feel she should be kept - what for a life of standing a field forever - possibly passed from pillar to post with less discriminate people who may or may not care for her? And a broodmare - honestly? People find it hard enough to sell youngstock that come from mares with no faults why on earth breed something knowing there are issues with the mare. Genetics are a gamble enough without adding something like this to the pot. Unfair to the mare and completely unfair to any foal that would be born.
legaldancer
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Being PTS is the right decision. At least she won't end up killing someone.
My sister had this difficult decision to make with a Sec A mare that she had had since the pony was 3. After owning her for 5 years, she became difficult & temperamental & although had been a quiet child's pony threw a child off on the road & virtually attacked the elderly gelding she was being led from. My sister had her scanned for ovarian cysts & nothing was found, she also put her on regumate.
To cut a long story short, the pony became increasingly unpredictable in both the stable & field & was given every chance.
My sister & her vet made the hard decision to PTS, so that she could never be sold on as a childs pony or bred from. She still feels bad about it, but imagine how much worse she would feel had the pony gone on to injure a child or worse.
I wish more owners were as responsible.
My sister had this difficult decision to make with a Sec A mare that she had had since the pony was 3. After owning her for 5 years, she became difficult & temperamental & although had been a quiet child's pony threw a child off on the road & virtually attacked the elderly gelding she was being led from. My sister had her scanned for ovarian cysts & nothing was found, she also put her on regumate.
To cut a long story short, the pony became increasingly unpredictable in both the stable & field & was given every chance.
My sister & her vet made the hard decision to PTS, so that she could never be sold on as a childs pony or bred from. She still feels bad about it, but imagine how much worse she would feel had the pony gone on to injure a child or worse.
I wish more owners were as responsible.
TicTac
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I share the opinion's of everbody else here and also think that you are doing the right thing.
It is such a difficult decision to make and it's at times like this you so wish horses could talk. For whatever reason your horse does what she does, she is obviously unhappy/confused or in pain and it's something you will never get to the bottom off. We can't save them all and at the end of the day, from the sounds of it the horse will either kill somebody through it's actions, or kill it's self.
One thing though, couldn't you get the vet/ knacker man to pts at your yard? Would be less trauma on the horse than at a slaughter house and one last act of kindness from you? or do you get paid for the carcass if you take them? ( Not making a judgement call here). It wont be easy which ever you do x
It is such a difficult decision to make and it's at times like this you so wish horses could talk. For whatever reason your horse does what she does, she is obviously unhappy/confused or in pain and it's something you will never get to the bottom off. We can't save them all and at the end of the day, from the sounds of it the horse will either kill somebody through it's actions, or kill it's self.
One thing though, couldn't you get the vet/ knacker man to pts at your yard? Would be less trauma on the horse than at a slaughter house and one last act of kindness from you? or do you get paid for the carcass if you take them? ( Not making a judgement call here). It wont be easy which ever you do x
MontyandZoom
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I wish that there were people with acres of land who had endless money and could garuntee that they would never be in a financial and personal situation where they would have to give the horse up but sadly that is not reality.
I have seen many horses drugged and sold on to novices when they have physical and/or behavioural problems and it is a recipe for disaster.
Plus, for some horses being a field ornament is cruel in itself. Monty is only a light hack but if he couldn't do that he would have to be PTS since he would become so unhappy and stressed. Some horses can cope with it some can't. Without knowing the horse, it is difficult for anyone to comment.
I think that, if the OP has thought long and hard and considered all options and decided this is best for the horse, she should be supported in what must be a terrible decision.
I have seen many horses drugged and sold on to novices when they have physical and/or behavioural problems and it is a recipe for disaster.
Plus, for some horses being a field ornament is cruel in itself. Monty is only a light hack but if he couldn't do that he would have to be PTS since he would become so unhappy and stressed. Some horses can cope with it some can't. Without knowing the horse, it is difficult for anyone to comment.
I think that, if the OP has thought long and hard and considered all options and decided this is best for the horse, she should be supported in what must be a terrible decision.
ischa
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have you ever ask the vet the possable causes of it bolting
have you had things checked ,
sorry but a horse doesnt bolt because it wants too
its mainly A bad habit is an undesirable behavior that occurs during training or handling and is usually a result of poor techniques and a lack of understanding of horse behavior.
hows it ever going to effect a foal
have you had things checked ,
sorry but a horse doesnt bolt because it wants too
its mainly A bad habit is an undesirable behavior that occurs during training or handling and is usually a result of poor techniques and a lack of understanding of horse behavior.
hows it ever going to effect a foal
Hippona
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Hopefull it wont, as OP has more sense than to breed her....
ischa
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and another thing how many people on this web site have many horses being a conpanion ??
lauraandjack
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I would say that taking a horse to the slaughterhouse is more traumatic for the owner than the horse.
The horse has no idea where it is going or what is going to happen to it. From the experience of a friend the equine slaughterhouse in Cheshire is extremely professional.
You arrive at a prearranged time, so they are ready for you. Passports are checked, horse is unloaded and led away, job done immediately and they bring you the headcollar back. No waiting around in pens with other horses shouting etc and personnel are very experienced at handling. Horse does not have a clue what is coming and certainly isn't going to remember the experience.
When it costs upwards of £300 in some areas to get a horse carcase taken away, taking the horse to a slaughterhouse is often a better option.
The horse has no idea where it is going or what is going to happen to it. From the experience of a friend the equine slaughterhouse in Cheshire is extremely professional.
You arrive at a prearranged time, so they are ready for you. Passports are checked, horse is unloaded and led away, job done immediately and they bring you the headcollar back. No waiting around in pens with other horses shouting etc and personnel are very experienced at handling. Horse does not have a clue what is coming and certainly isn't going to remember the experience.
When it costs upwards of £300 in some areas to get a horse carcase taken away, taking the horse to a slaughterhouse is often a better option.
hellspells
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ISCHA - sorry if this comes across rude but its not ment too...(sometimes as we know words can be tyoed one way or taken another)
But if you read the OP's previous posts, horse had full vetting last week, has been to 3 pro riders and still this happens.
You say horses don't bolt because they want too - so therefore there must be a reason....then ask hows it would effect a foal - this reason for the bolting may well be herditory. Why risk it when there are plenty of better broodmares out there?
But if you read the OP's previous posts, horse had full vetting last week, has been to 3 pro riders and still this happens.
You say horses don't bolt because they want too - so therefore there must be a reason....then ask hows it would effect a foal - this reason for the bolting may well be herditory. Why risk it when there are plenty of better broodmares out there?
ischa
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personaly i think it crawl not giving a horse the right too live even if it cant maintain a ridden cereer
but it is the option of owner
but it is the option of owner
M_G
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and another thing how many people on this web site have many horses being a conpanion ??
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I can just afford the one I have and certainly couldn't afford a field ornament.
The OP is making the best decision for the horse no ifs or buts she can not risk someone being killed
and another thing how many people on this web site have many horses being a conpanion ??
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I can just afford the one I have and certainly couldn't afford a field ornament.
The OP is making the best decision for the horse no ifs or buts she can not risk someone being killed
MontyandZoom
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personaly i think it crawl not giving a horse the right too live even if it cant maintain a ridden cereer
but it is the option of owner
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I really think that is a sweeping statement. Some horses need jobs to be happy. I know some horses that are happy as anything being companions but some horses get bored, stressed and unhappy.
personaly i think it crawl not giving a horse the right too live even if it cant maintain a ridden cereer
but it is the option of owner
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I really think that is a sweeping statement. Some horses need jobs to be happy. I know some horses that are happy as anything being companions but some horses get bored, stressed and unhappy.
nuffield
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I think PTS is a good idea in this case. It certainly isnt cruel in any way. Sending horse off to market to an uncertain future is ,as is offlaoding it elsewhere to hurt someone else.
Well Done OP for biting the bullett and doing the right thing. I speak from experience here, having had a horse PTS for similar reasions to yours. Better a dead horse than an abused one or DEAD RIDER.
Well Done OP for biting the bullett and doing the right thing. I speak from experience here, having had a horse PTS for similar reasions to yours. Better a dead horse than an abused one or DEAD RIDER.
lauraandjack
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I don't think any of us on here would honestly have a horse PTS if there was a better option. But sometimes it is the right and most responsible thing to do.
Keeping a horse as a companion is all well and good if you have the land and money to do it. But IMO rehoming a horse with known serious problems as a companion is totally irresponsible. If you don't want it, why should anyone else? You simply do not know, and cannot control, what would happen to this horse once it has left your ownership.
By the sounds of things this horse is going to kill someone or itself sooner or later.
ISCHA, I'm sure you take very good care of your horses, companion or ridden, but sadly there are plenty of people out there who don't. I wouldn't want any horse of mine to face an uncertain future in this sort of situation.
Keeping a horse as a companion is all well and good if you have the land and money to do it. But IMO rehoming a horse with known serious problems as a companion is totally irresponsible. If you don't want it, why should anyone else? You simply do not know, and cannot control, what would happen to this horse once it has left your ownership.
By the sounds of things this horse is going to kill someone or itself sooner or later.
ISCHA, I'm sure you take very good care of your horses, companion or ridden, but sadly there are plenty of people out there who don't. I wouldn't want any horse of mine to face an uncertain future in this sort of situation.
JM07
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i take my hat off to you.
what a good, thoughtful owner you are. its very hard to make this type of decission and i commend you for doing the right thing by this type of horse...it takes balls to make such a choice
well done and my thoughts are with you.
JM
what a good, thoughtful owner you are. its very hard to make this type of decission and i commend you for doing the right thing by this type of horse...it takes balls to make such a choice
well done and my thoughts are with you.
JM
ischa
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would you put a vetaran down if its not ridden anymore ??
M_G
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If the veteran was dangerous then yes
hopppydi
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I have just bought a ex racer from a trainer who is relocating and down sizing. They had over 30 horses in training and also had arabs. They were only prepared to re home a small percentage of horses as most of them were totally unsuitable for a riding career out of racing. The unsuitable horses were all pts. This may seem very harsh but the trainer/owner was actually putting the horses first as they knew all that would happen is they would get passed from pillar to post and probably either hurt or kill a person or themselves. One horse that was sent to them to be sorted out was a exracer. She phoned the previous trainer who she knew personally and they told her to get it out of the yard as it was a killing machine. The new owner disagreed and took it elsewhere. 2 weeks later the horse bolted straight into a brick wall, killed itself outright and left the woman with very serious life threatning injuries