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its her opinion and this is an open forum!!! she can say what the hell she likes!!

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Do you have major people issues? That's the second time you've attacked one of my replies - I never said she couldn't say what she likes, she's entitled to her own opinion.

All I said was that it's her opinion but it doesn't make it ok for other members to tell people they're talking trash. That's me voicing my opinion not attacking her for her response!!
 
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its her opinion and this is an open forum!!! she can say what the hell she likes!!

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Not when she's making sweeping statement that we are 'amatuers' when she knows nothing about our credentials!!
 
That would be Charity then......

......wonderful language the English language - there's words for every situation.
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It used to be that all olypic atheletes were amateurs, originating from the idea that a gentleman believes it more important to compete fairly than to win, the only exception made in the early 1900s was to fencing instructors, who, because they were paid, were professional - yet they were expected to be gentlemen, so allowed to compete. In the 1970s they dropped the amateur rule, and it was up to each sports governing body to decide who could compete - boxing remains the only sport that has truly amateur competitors.

As for breeding a dog (that is what this post is about I think?) I generally think that breeding for breedings sake, or because 'they would be cute' (struggling to think of a term here) Breeding to improve the breed is a good reason, and if the dog is a very good example of the breed, and a suitable dog that enhances the good aspects can be found, then I don't see why not. However, I believe temprement is absolutly essential in a breeding animal, and I would no more breed from a dog with behaviour issues than I would a horse. I am sure your family and friends could find lovely dogs through rescue centres, or through breeders who already breed to improve.
 
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Of course you can call yourself a professional at 17, professionals can be of any age, you can't expect an olympic gymnast of 14 to be classed as an amateur.

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That's your opinion but doesn't change the fact that you can't go round telling other people or more experienced people or qualified people that they're talking trash - its just not on.

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Not interested in the bitchyness, he said, she said rubbish, but you can be a professional at 17 that is not my opinion its fact.
 
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Of course you can call yourself a professional at 17, professionals can be of any age, you can't expect an olympic gymnast of 14 to be classed as an amateur.

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Dont you have to be amateur to be allowed to compete at the olympics?

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Only in boxing nowadays!
 
I find it difficult to believe that TopHorse has in fact been passed to give tickets at 17 - I have never known this in ANY breed and the criteria required would make it impossible ( unless you started judging as a toddler !)

I have outlined them below:

A3 JUDGES LIST (BREED SPECIALIST)

1. A minimum of seven (7) years judging experience in the breed.

2. To have judged a minimum of three (3) Breed Club Open Shows with a minimum five (5) year period between the first and the last. One of these Breed Clubs Shows to be outside a one hundred (100) miles radius of the candidate’s residence.

3. To have judged a minimum of sixty-five (65) classes in the breed at Open Shows, Championship Shows without Challenge Certificates or Breed Limit Shows (Kennel Club Licensed events)

4. To have judged a minimum of two hundred and fifty (250) dogs in the breed at Open Shows, Championship Shows without Challenge Certificates or Breed Limit Shows (Kennel Club Licensed events)

5. To have attended a Seminar given by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer and passed the relevant examination on Kennel club Regulations and Judging Procedures.

6. To have attended a Seminar given by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer on Conformation and Movement.. To have passed a Hands on Assessment on Confirmation and Movement conducted by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer

7. To have attended at least one (1) breed specific Judging Seminar run in accordance with the relevant Kennel Club Code of Best Practice and passed any examination and/or assessment set.

8. To have bred and/or owned a minimum of three (3) dogs when they obtained their 1st entry in The Kennel Club Stud Book.(Save in exceptional circumstances)

9. To have ring stewarded at twelve (12) Shows.

10. Have the support of the specific Breed Council.


now even if you take the first criteria ....that would have made Tophorse a judge at 10 years old ....sorry I just don't believe her
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Ok I admit, tongue was firmly in cheek when I wrote that. Many years ago my ex-boyfriend became one of the youngest people to award CCs, and he was in his 20s, I too wondered if tophorse had started judging from a pushchair!
 
ok, i'll put it differently. I wouldnt take my dog for training to a 17 yr old.

I have no doubt that TH has experience with dogs, however, life experience is different is it not.

professionalism is about attitude as well is it not?
 
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Not interested in the bitchyness, he said, she said rubbish, but you can be a professional at 17 that is not my opinion its fact.

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a professional what? athlete? rider? gymnast? sure! but dog breeder /trainer?
 
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I was always of the understanding that if you held qualifications in a certain subject/profession then you where a professional.

There for I dont see how you cant be a professional dog trainer/behaviourist/psychologist!! IF U HOLD QUALIFICATIONS..............not sure about breeding tho, never heard of a qualified/professional breeder.

Qualifications or not u will get the same sound sensible advice from an experienced........and of course SENSIBLE person.......I wouldnt say breeding from any animal with un-sound temperament is sensible advice
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I believe the definition of professional is makes money from their trade - i.e. a professional tennis player would be one who earned money for doing it (paid for doing it) rather than someone who had their (imaginary qualification coming up) Lawn Tennis association Red Braid....So technically, all dog breeders are professional (I don't know any who do it for free...) Which means 'professional breeder' becomes meaningless in my eyes.
 
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So technically, all dog breeders are professional (I don't know any who do it for free...) Which means 'professional breeder' becomes meaningless in my eyes.

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Very true.But experiance will always mean something and no offence intended, you CANT be an experiance breeder at 27.Your family might well be, but you are not.
 
Agree with u emma 69.......I wouldnt class breeding as a profession it sounds a little strange......but as u say not many/none do it for free........sort of makes a mockery of the word professional
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17 years is along time.............not if u are counting time in your pram........or youth when u dont really understand a great deal!!...............The point is the advice given in regard to breeding.......In my opinion for 17 years worth of experience its not very good advice
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17 years of being round vizslas is long enough IMO

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Ah, well in thatcase my Aunt (who knows sod all about breeding) is a profesional too.Afterall, she has had Great Danes for over 50 years
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And I have had GSD's for 25 years(inc breeding,showing, obdiance), so must be more of a profesional then TH.

Dougie, you are obviously sticking up for a friend oyu feel has been mistreated, but she did chose to atack respected experianced breeders and their advice because she could only see her opinion as correct.
Reap what you sow.
 
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17 years is along time.............not if u are counting time in your pram........or youth when u dont really understand a great deal!!...............The point is the advice given in regard to breeding.......In my opinion for 17 years worth of experience its not very good advice
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Ditto.
TBH since OP said she would allready have homes waiting for the pups within her family and friends who would know any faults the bitch has, as long as she found a suitable stud the wuestion of if she breeds or not is completly down to "do you want to?".
But most people cant garentee that so should ONLY consider breeding if both the dog and bitch are of high quality.
 
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