Having slept with my dogs last night I now have two worries!

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I just couldn't sleep last night and at 3am gave up and came downstairs to lie on the sofa with my book. Ended up staying here all night and observed two things which I'd not normally see as the dogs all sleep downstairs in a utility room.
Cecil said Hi, curled up and didnt move until 7am. Bert attempted to get me to play but very soon gave up and did the same.
The old boy however, and this may be because I broke the routine and he does like his routine but he didnt settle for very long at a time .Kept getting up and wandering around. He's lie and sleep for a little while but then would be up and walking again. There was also a wee on the floor when I woke (which there has been a few times recently and I was assuming a little dog but never see it done)
So. I'm now wondering two things about him. Is it him wee'ing on the floor, tbh I'd be happiest about that option and not mind cleaning it up. He's old and has that excuse, More so though I am worried he wanders all night every night. We dd have a camera, a Hubble or something and stopped using it as it was next to useless. It didnt move and the room is L shaped so only caught a dog getting out of bed for example, not why or where it went. Can anyone reccomend a decent camera that would maybe record movement and that I could just check in on in the middle of the night so see if he is asleep. There are so many, Including ones that fire treats out - DO NOT need that feature, unless it fires 4 in different directions!

Secondly daughters dog licked and chewed his paws solidly the whole time I was there, or awake which feels like a lot. I know he does it and have tried various shop purchased anti itch washes and sprays, Changed his food several times with a decent gap between. He has been to the vet a few times and I feel bluffed off slightly. They suggested the food changes back last year. They did also give steroids at one point but I can't remember if it did a huge amount or not. Apparently they said its probably a enviromental allergy and not a lot that can be done.... really?
His paws are never sore or inflamed looking. I've spoken to my daughter about it and she said that last time it was his ears as well which the vets did treat but they said as it improves over Autumn/Winter (I'm not actually sure when) it's not a huge issue.
After listening to it solidly for hours I don't agree. - I'm trying to persuade her to try my new vets as I feel they are far better. In the mean time is there anything i can do?

I'm knackered! and now of course, everyone is sleeping soundly!!
 
We always had ours in crates overnight , but i the last 6 months or so I have allowed the old girl to sleep where she wants, we found she was getting stiff if not able to wander about. She also has the odd wee on the floor but that usually happens if she is feeling a bit 'off'. The younger dog licks her paws a lot, keeps them clean and trims her own toenails. No soreness.

Can't help with the camera I'm afraid.
 
poiuytrewq said:
The old boy however, and this may be because I broke the routine and he does like his routine but he didnt settle for very long at a time .Kept getting up and wandering around. He's lie and sleep for a little while but then would be up and walking again. There was also a wee on the floor when I woke (which there has been a few times recently and I was assuming a little dog but never see it done)
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Could he be in pain? I think he is on prescribed pain meds, do they cover 24 hours? I don't know what meds he is taking but I know that drugs like Paracetamol and Gabapentin last about 8 hours and so would need to be given 8 hourly to provide pain relief to cover 24 hours.
 
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The old dog might be sundowning. It happens with humans too.
Agree Cytopoint or apoquel for the allergies.

Douoxi S3 PYO Mousse as recommended by @druid as a topical treatment. I've had no long-term issues with paws since using it.
 
skinnydipper said:
Could he be in pain? I think he is on prescribed pain meds, do they cover 24 hours? I don't know what meds he is taking but I know that drugs like Paracetamol and Gabapentin last about 8 hours and so would need to be given 8 hourly to provide pain relief to cover 24 hours.
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Well that's my worry and why i need to find out if it was me screwing their night up or if its old age dementia (which i thought he had but when I did a check list he didnt actually have many sypmtoms) He is on Loxicom and gets it once a day in the evening. He was having paracetomol at one point so if it is pain could start that again. Or i wonder if splitting the dose am/pm would help.
This is why I'd really like to know if this is regular behaviour for him. Its a worry.

skinnydipper said:
Ask the vet if Cytopoint or Apoquel would help.
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Will note both and ask, Thank you
CorvusCorax said:
The old dog might be sundowning. It happens with humans too.
Agree Cytopoint or apoquel for the allergies.

Douoxi S3 PYO Mousse as recommended by @druid as a topical treatment. I've had no long-term issues with paws since using it.
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Never heard of sundowning! will ask google! Thank you for the suggestions, as above will note and ask the vet. Will also ask/ look up the mousse, I assume its POM?

Clodagh said:
Brandy paced all night. With her it was partly dementia onset but mainly it hurt to lie down for long.
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Its sad isnt it. I honestly don't know if this is a regular thing as, like i say i never spend the night with them. He lies down during the day when I am around for far longer periods of time and does tend to find life quite exciting so i hope he was a bit mind blown at the stupid owner appearing in the middle of the night.
 
CorvusCorax said:
The old dog might be sundowning. It happens with humans too.
Agree Cytopoint or apoquel for the allergies.

Douoxi S3 PYO Mousse as recommended by @druid as a topical treatment. I've had no long-term issues with paws since using it.
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Sundowning is a possibility yes, again I need to find out if its regular or me i think

Amazon Prime have the mousse so I've ordered and it should be here tomorrow. Thank you
 
Cytopoint is injectable? Is that a vet/IV or can it be done at home? - Obviously after instruction but happy to jab horses so pretty sure a dogs ok!
 
poiuytrewq said:
Well that's my worry and why i need to find out if it was me screwing their night up or if its old age dementia (which i thought he had but when I did a check list he didnt actually have many sypmtoms) He is on Loxicom and gets it once a day in the evening. He was having paracetomol at one point so if it is pain could start that again. Or i wonder if splitting the dose am/pm would help.
This is why I'd really like to know if this is regular behaviour for him. Its a worry.
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I think it would be best to make an appointment for him to be seen by his vet for assessment and advice. If it is pain which is not controlled by the Loxicom, there are different types of drugs which can be given alongside the NSAID. His vet is the best person to advise.
 
He’s due an assessment shortly, he go’s fairly regularly. I do want to know really which it is though. I think if he was just wandering as I was up, fine he can go with Mr P (his dog) to his own vet. I can’t say I’m overly impressed sometimes with them.
His check ups seem to consist of questions, is he eating, drinking toileting normally… yes
Is he happy in himself/ alert etc.. yes
Ah fine then off you go, see you in a few months .

If he has worsened I think I’d maybe sneak him to my own vet and get their opinion.
 
You can set it up to record movement , mine is quite old now and not as bright as it used to be but as you can see it’s fine to see what they are doing
 

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I've got Tapo cameras - pretty cheap (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08ZNTM1X1?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1) and easy to set up, they can detect motion and track it and have a reasonable picture.

Around 2 years before I lost my little old dog, she started pacing, seeming to forget what she was doing and just staring - I was advised to put her on Aktivait which is supposed to support with dementia. I kept her on that until she was PTS at 17 and it did seem to really help, the pacing reduced massively to pretty much stopping and she seemed to be much more with it and the staring pretty much stopped. I don't know if I was just lucky with how it worked, but it certainly seemed to.
 
I found the title a bit odd, but that’s only because our dogs sleep with us. I thought that was the norm 🤣

We have 2 cheapo cameras from Amazon. They pick up movements. I check on the dogs when at work. Very little movement. 😂

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I’d be interested to know how it goes if you get a Cytopoint jab. The straightforward answer to endless chewing is a buster collar, just make sure it’s big enough to ensure he can’t still reach and that no other dog plays doctor. One of mine cut his pad and the other wants to play doctor, so both were in helmets so neither can remove bandages/‘administer’ to the cut.
 
Spent a small fortune on regular monthly Cytopoint jabs for itchy JR who hates injections, meaning it took me, vet nurse and vet to arm wrestle her into submission. Moved home and discovered giving 4 morning Piriton disguised in ham worked just as well, if not better, far cheaper and no stressed out dog ☺️ (who incidentally has shared my bed her entire life and makes a great hot water bottle 🤣🙈)
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I’d be interested to know how it goes if you get a Cytopoint jab. The straightforward answer to endless chewing is a buster collar, just make sure it’s big enough to ensure he can’t still reach and that no other dog plays doctor. One of mine cut his pad and the other wants to play doctor, so both were in helmets so neither can remove bandages/‘administer’ to the cut.
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With the best will in the world, it doesn't answer anything if the source of the discomfort isn't identified and treated, a buster collar just means a dog who's in discomfort can do nothing about it.
 
CorvusCorax said:
With the best will in the world, it doesn't answer anything if the source of the discomfort isn't identified and treated, a buster collar just means a dog who's in discomfort can do nothing about it.
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At no point did I suggest she doesn’t investigate. At the time, with the dog endlessly licking, I’d pop on a buster collar and ask her dd to take her dog to be investigated. Jeez.
 
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I’d be interested to know how it goes if you get a Cytopoint jab.
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Is Goose still chewing and licking one paw? If the vet has ruled out pain somewhere as a possible cause, have you considered that he might be self soothing due to stress/anxiety? Would it be worth asking if he would benefit from a trial of something like Reconcile?
 
CorvusCorax said:
Okie dokie but I was replying to the post as posted, which didn't mention investigation.
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No, because I wasn’t going to write an epic post on my way out the door this morning.

Obviously there’d be an investigation, from a visual check to a thorough surgical investigation if needed. I wouldn’t let a dog suffer, but nor would I allow endless chewing that further harms the tissues/causes a hole. In the moment (middle of the night the OP said) I’d pop on a buster collar so the animal couldn’t hurt itself then see a vet if necessary. Not letting the dog do anything about it, well, I’m not sorry that I stopped mine putting a hole in his paw.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
No, because I wasn’t going to write an epic post on my way out the door this morning.

Obviously there’d be an investigation, from a visual check to a thorough surgical investigation if needed. I wouldn’t let a dog suffer, but nor would I allow endless chewing that further harms the tissues/causes a hole. In the moment (middle of the night the OP said) I’d pop on a buster collar so the animal couldn’t hurt itself then see a vet if necessary. Not letting the dog do anything about it, well, I’m not sorry that I stopped mine putting a hole in his paw.
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The original post that I replied to was from last night. I've had dogs that chewed paws before and I know how frustrating it is, but I was just pointing it out, you never know who is reading the public part of the forum for advice or what their skill level may be.

I made a boo boo in a post yesterday and said 'oops,' and corrected myself, it wasn't the fault of the poster who pointed it out.
 
CorvusCorax said:
The original post that I replied to was from last night. I've had dogs that chewed paws before and I know how frustrating it is, but I was just pointing it out, you never know who is reading the public part of the forum for advice or what their skill level may be.

I made a boo boo in a post yesterday and said 'oops,' and corrected myself, it wasn't the fault of the poster who pointed it out.
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Apologies for the time error.
 
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