having the worst day known to man!

TBH i am not sure, i wasnt there today as at work, they scanned her at roughly the same time of day but i thought the same also, maybe a slight mismeasurement yesterday or exaggeration on mum spart today ;) (mum called me to inform). ill phone the vets myself when i get a chance. :)
 
Yes you need to keep on top of that crowd I'd say ;)

On a different note. I know you want a very early foal, just something I don't know whether it's crossed your mind or not but I'll mention it anyway. With Dee going to be ready to foal in February (if she takes this cycle) have you considered how you are going to deal with her not being rugged when it can be pretty cold in February? Are you going to rough her off this winter? That's why I don't like foals before April as I have all the mares here well out of their rugs before the foals start arriving but we are still too cold in February for them to be without rugs.
 
Delicious_D said:
Yes we are going to rug dee up and her and foal will be in at night with heatlamps in the stable. :)
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I really would not rug a mare up that has a foal at foot as the foal can get its head caught in the rug straps. She will need to be roughed off so she doen't need rugs.
 
Well you have plenty of time to consider your options. I'll actually be surprised if Dee does take this cycle so maybe it won't be something you even have to think about. If March is nicer next year she could be out of her rugs by the time the foal arrives. If she does take this cycle I would urge caution in having her rugged at foaling time.
 
Wagtail said:
I really would not rug a mare up that has a foal at foot as the foal can get its head caught in the rug straps. She will need to be roughed off so she doen't need rugs.
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Very agree with this, and Spring Feather. Seriously - I've seen a foal hung up by a mares rug. He reared and boxed at her and got his leg through the cross surcingle. Shudder to think what would have happened if we hadn't been there - and the mare wasn't an experienced mare who didn't have a fit!
 
oh crumbs! I actualyl ment dee wasnt to be rugged! I meant *aren't!!!

Ive read far too many horror stories of foals hanging themselves on sursingles to ever risk it!!!!

:S

Can i just ask, the two people who keep PM'ing me regarding why i am breeding - please either post on here or stop....im getting a tad annoyed at either people thinking i am a complete idiot with no experience ( i am not) or questioning why i am breeding a horse for myself... i wonder if they would question the breeders of the horses why own, or question everyone else so much...

eta: that will teach me for not paying attention to what i type! No wonder people questioning why i would rug dee LOL. Dont worry, dee will be roughed off. Only reason shes wearing rugs now is she was fully clipped for medical reasons this winter and i havent been able to harden her off sufficiently.
 
People will always PM you about why you breed. Leave them off. Pay them no mind. The reasoning is that by you bringing in another foal into the world, the idiot indiscriminate breeder will not be getting a home for one of his/hers. The problem is a few short years ago people got money for anything. Quality or not. I'm not breeding now but I'm also not going to buy something I don't want to keep people like that in business. Even if you had to sell, this should be a quality foal. There is, believe it or not, quality horses selling. Yes some people definitely shouldn't breed. My rule is that I need to see at least 5 years in the future, so to speak, from conception to backing and possibly a couple of training shows. I need the room, the money, and the time to do right by those babies. If anything seems a bit iffy at the time, no breeding. Yes, anything can happen at any time. But having a plan in place beyond selling as a weaning to make room for next year's crop. And don't blame the breeders for everything. Horses fall by the wayside from bad training and too much too soon to make them worthless as well.

As far as the other stuff, Spring Feather has the good answers and information.

Terri
 
Between Spring Feather and Terri i have a lot of experience to seek advice from. :)

I think people dont really know what indiscriminate breeding is. This isnt any old mare and some stallion from the yard down the road. Delicia is well bred, graded, done age classes with good scores. The stallion is a double BEF winner and is hte most wonderful stamp of the breed. A definite GP prospect and definitely one to watch for the future. This isnt cheap, but thats ok because i can afford it. I have been looking into breeding dee for some time and i have experience with youngstock, breaking in performace youngsters and foals. Would i say i was experienced? No, i would say i have experience but untill i ave done it for 10 odd years i would never say i was expereince. I am not a professional breeder either, i have a career outside of the equestrian world

Does this mean i am the root of all evil by flooding the market with unwanted and ill-bred foals? No. Can anyone 100% say they know their future and what lies ahead? no. But as far as i can possibly tell, i have the money, the resources, and some fab knowledgable friends who i can ask questions of without feeling belittled.

There is so much anger at the state of markets today, with heinze 57 horses being churned out left right and centre, but be careful you do not tar everyone with the same brush. If everyone were to stop breeding, the horse population would not only age but wouldnt move forwards. Hanovarians themselves are a manufactures breed, with a lot of thoroughbred and arab influences. Crosses of these could have been seen as bad breeding but look at whats been achieved?

Is it so very wrong i bought a mare with good breeding, and placed it with a stallion with good breeding for a foal of my own? I am not a novice owner so please, stopp questioning why i am breeding, unless you are asking all the big studs who churn out a lot of foals (good foals) per year, why focus on a one mare owner?
 
Fingers crossed she takes soon.

On another note, why do people PM regarding a thread? Isn't the whole point of the forum to post and discuss :confused:
 
Nicnac said:
Fingers crossed she takes soon.

On another note, why do people PM regarding a thread? Isn't the whole point of the forum to post and discuss :confused:
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Don't get me wrong, i've had some lovely PM's :) But some have been :shocked:!!!

DragonSlayer said:
...because they think they know more than others and are too cowardly to post in view, as they know they will get jumped on....
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Some are nasty critters ;)

Ho hum, i just get bored repeating the same things over and over again :)
 
You absolutely do not have to justify why you are breeding. There are fields full of coloured cobs in Essex who are all pregnant - that is indiscriminate breeding! Putting a lovely mare to a super stallion is not and never will be. Have a great time with your experience, my one and only is three and I have loved most of it. Have thought I was barmey for some as well! You can't beat your own foal to bring on and do with what you will. Go for it!
 
I think you just have to take PM's like that with a pinch of salt and probably best to ignore, I've had them before and wished that folk would just openly say what they think.
The problem with this post and your situation is one of two issues. Firstly, the 'Too many horses already' which I agree with BUT not in your situation. I too bred from one of my mare's 8 years ago and it was an experience that for myself, my children and my mum that we will never forget, it was so wonderful and like you we have kept the foal 'Shaylee' and will forever more.
The second issue is that of timing and I hate to say this but I don't think you have really thought that through and you do come across as if it's 'I want it, and I want it now!'
I just imagine that there are many people sitting on their hands reading this thread, especially with this year being as appalling as it is, thinking that it is not the best time for Dee.
However as you say its your horse and your decision but folk will have their views, some will air them openly, some will share them privately and some will say nothing.
 
Very well worded cambrica - its a shame people think i come across like that, couldnt be further from the truth. :)
Thistime last year i reember hacking out in a short sleeved t-shirt and in the summer it raining. Unfortunately the weather is so unprictable atm, but i have previsions for this. My YO is also breeding this year so we are trying to get it that the mares foal down at the same time :)
 
Oh DD you are coming under the cosh arent you? :(

Anyone who follows your posts knows that Dee is well loved and this foal is much anticipated and will also be well loved and spend forever with you all being well

And if s**t happens later on and you end up having to sell your new horse at any point you'll have done your best to ensure its good quality and that it will likely to find an equally good quality home. None of us know for sure what is around the corner of course

I think its because the indescriminate breeders arent on here (or if they are they are keeping quiet) so people are more likely to lash out at people like you in sheer frustration of the growing problem
 
I too am frustrated at some of the horses being churned out :( poor quality foals with no real future ahead of them. Indeed, some are lucky but for the majority, they are passed from pillar to post.

I do get some stick sometimes :rolleyes: lucky i have a thick skin. :)

All i care about:
1) my mare is happy, heathy and well looked after
2) i have provisions for foalie and mare
3) I have a plan and understand what im getting into - including the time of year
4) That if i dont know or am not sure, i blooming well ask. :)

:)

Dee has spent all day in the field at the vets happy as larry, only coming in to be scanned. :) She doesnt like their hay though ;)
 
I'm not sure why you are getting questioned. Dee is a lovely well bred mare, if your putting her too a well bred stallion, you will have a quality foal (I assume you have done your homework into the stallion) so don't see the biggy. It's clear to everyone how loved and pampered Dee is, if you ask me, this is going to be one spoilt lucky little foalie ;)
 
The vets want me to leave dee there because they love her so much :). Shes completely sucking up to them as shes learn one has polos :rolleyes: practically got on her knees to beg for one yesterday, swished her tail at me instead ;)
 
Also the stallions owner is a lovely lady and would offer any help or advise with a phone call.

I wish you all the luck in the world with two lovely horses.
 
I think there are a lot of people who don't really get breeding to be honest. There is breeding and then there is breeding. Dee is exactly the sort of mare who, if she were being bred for the resale market, would produce a foal which would sell for good money. And it would sell easily I would say. I breed to sell and I certainly don't feel guilty about it lol. I think my babies are nice, other people seem to think so too as they pay good money for them and I have had quite a few enquiries about my 2013 inuteros so there are many buyers out there who still pay for good quality horses. And Dee's foal will be a good quality horse.
 
Spring Feather said:
I think there are a lot of people who don't really get breeding to be honest. There is breeding and then there is breeding. Dee is exactly the sort of mare who, if she were being bred for the resale market, would produce a foal which would sell for good money. And it would sell easily I would say. I breed to sell and I certainly don't feel guilty about it lol. I think my babies are nice, other people seem to think so too as they pay good money for them and I have had quite a few enquiries about my 2013 inuteros so there are many buyers out there who still pay for good quality horses. And Dee's foal will be a good quality horse.
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Thank you :)
 
UPDATE: So they have been keeping a close eye on dee and luckily this semen shipment arrived without any issues (the RM wouldnt dare, especially after i spoke w/ the post office about last time and was given the full sotry :mad:). The vets scanned her today and she looked hours away from ovulateing, the egg looked like it would be released soon and her uterus look fab so the repro. vet inseminated her.

Delicia is now out in the field, will be rescanned later today and tomorrow to check no fluid has accumilated and then will be caslisked and sent home :)
 
She has a slightly (and it is incredibly slight) sunken rectum - they have said it is in no way necessary but would doubly make sure she remains clean in that area. I ummed and ahhed for ages and actually sought advice on here as it isnt necessary.

im not entirely sure on follical size as im at work and all my info is coming through from my mum :).
 
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