Having you horses assessed or downgraded in Dressage?

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I have a danish warmblood gelding who is seven. I have registered him as being owned by me with the Danish Warmblood Society. I have never competed aff dressage but would like to do so. He has competed with me unaff at both Prelim and Novice. He is very talented and I bought him to help me learn. I have been reading the BD website about registration and understand he will get a shed load of points given to him. I bought him in June 2007, the previous owners say they got him 2006 but have no documentation to prove it. So BD are going to take my registration. The thing is do I have him assessed or downgraded so I can compete in Novice. I feel a bit daunted by having to compete in the open sections but I frightened that if I have him assessed the assesor will get him doing allsorts of tricks that I couldn't do with him in a two years of sundays. Has anyone gone through this process and what do you think. Or do I get a really good dressage rider in my area to have a look before I decide which route to take. I have to decide what to do because would like to aff him.
 
Does his flu/tet record not show when he was in this country as opposed to being abroad?

How well schooled is he? What level would you say, honestly, that he is trained to?
Has he competed in this country at all?

What level rider are you, ie., is he your first BD horse or have you won points previously?
 
Thank you bananaman for replying.
I have just looked at his passport and it says that he had a flu/tet in feb 2006 in denmark. Lady I bought him off of said she bought him end 2006 but let his tet/flu jab lapse in feb 07 so I started him again in June 07 when I bought him.
Hearsay past down remarks from previous owner are that he had 2 danish points. But how could I prove that. And would it be any good.
He is talented but quite sharp. Can collect, half pass etc.... thats with me!!!! God knows what he would do with a first class rider. If I had him assessed and they said he warranted the points allocated then I would have to sell him. In this country he has only competed with me unaff never finishing out of the top two at novice and two judges have tried to see if I would sell him after the tests. I have never competed BD and never registered. He's supoosed to be helping educate me as well. I live on Surrey/Sussex borders so do you think it would be worth getting someone more able than me to put him thoruhg his paces to see what he can do. If so who. I understand from BD that that the assessors for my area are Dane Rawlins and David Green
 
Well I'm no expert on the matter, there are others who come on here who have more knowledge that I of the prossess, however, it does sound to me that If he is as good as you say then downgrading would be the better way for you to go.
As you will be a Group 8 rider, ie no points at all, then he would be downgraded ot 75 points for you, which means that you can start to compete him at Novice level, although you will have to compete in the Open section.

As you cannot prove that he was imported at 6 years old, BD will take his vaccination in June 2007 as proof that he was here then and he will be given 260 points, so Medium level, although your rider group means that you can compete in the restricted sections.
If you take him for assessment, I think I'm right in saying that you will ride him, not the assessor.
I'm not sure if you could book a 'pre assessment' lesson with Dane and ask him to give you an honest opinion as to whether it would be worth going down that route.

If he assessed him as being at Elementary level, it would mean you could ride Restricted Elementary rather than having to go in the Open. However he may say he is a true Medium level, in which case there would be no point in having him assessed at all, or a real result would be if he were to say Novice but that sounds unlikely from what you've said earlier.
 
ok as far as i remember you can do it this way:
you can prove the horse came in to the country prior to being broken therefore it gains no points
or
you need to contact the fei to ask for a printout of his competition record for the time whilst he was abroad (if he has one), if he hasnt thats fine then you send this to the bd and you have him assessed by a named assessor theres quite a few, im not sure how much it costs £35?? they make assess it saying that its got no points or however many points they feel feel relvevant,they wont over grade him, if anything will prob grade him at 0 points if you want to just prelim n novice him

sorry if their flaws in this i havent had a horse assessed in awhile
 
Bananaman has it broadly correct.

Imported horses are given points according to their age when imported into the UK, regardless of when they are registered. A foreign competition record (or lack of) is not relevant. If there is no proof of importation in 2006 (and a flu card stamped by a UK vet practice would count) and the first proof is 2007 when the horse is 7, then he will automatically be given 260 points, grading him Medium.

The owner has two options, assessment or downgrading - both of which must take place between registration and first competition.

Assessment will look at the level of training of the horse and the assessor will decide at which level it would be immediately competitive, regardless of rider. An assessor may not assess a horse known to them, so No, you could not take the horse to - say - Dane first and then ask him to assess. However, you could go to a different BD trainer and ask their opinion. Whilst you say the horse can do half pass - is that a true, competition standard half pass, or does he simply go sideways? There is a difference.

Downgrading, assuming you are a Group 8 rider, would mean that you would ride Open at Novice and Elementary, but could de-downgrade once you were ready to do Medium so as to be able to ride as Restricted.
 
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