Headshacker - how much bad luck can one have?

ALFF

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Hello all

Hope it's OK to share a piece of despair.

I've had my horse for a month and a half now, following a year of searching and multiple failed vettings, hours travelling and viewings.

Ive shared and ridden others but this is my first solo ownership horse, a dream that I've been saving for many years. This horse cost me just under 10k which I thought I was lucky for, a stretch of my budget.

This horse came to me on a weeks trial from a reputable sales livery yard. On the last day of trial it toss his head in the air a bit while I was riding. I didn't think much of it, I asked the seller about this and they said they haven't done this before. I truested the seller and told myself it was a matter of dentist and at the time was pretty unfamiliar to headshaking as a whole, and didn't have the luxury of time to assess it. The dentist came and he was back to normal for a bit.

He proceeded to headshake intermittently, would maybe do the odd day but nothing severe so I invested in his comfort like using a micklem bridle and a poll guard which seemed to help and he rode peacefully a few times. Though now looking back it may just have been a coincidence.

Come to month of May, he started doing it more and more, whenever lunged or ridden. I stopped riding and lunged him gently and over poles to keep him strong.

By this point I was starting to research headshaking, with increasing concern.
I went through all the obvious, dentist, saddler, chiro for any soreness, farrier, to no avail. I tried him on anti histamines for a day and a half to rule out allergies with minimal effect. I tried a nose net which also had minimal impact.
One desperate day last week I called my vet for an opinion, already mourning the costs of vet intervention for a horse I have just got, investing so much of my savings into. They said to keep a diary and gradually try things to see what might be the cause, and how to manage him.

This horse is 9 years old, they said if its trigeminal mediated and not allergy related headshaking, then he's likely to have had symptoms before.

So the two possibilities are, he's been sold to me without disclosure of trigeminal mediated headshaking (with a much higher price than he should) or he is allergic to something he hasn't encountered before (that isn't affected by the anti histamines I've already tried him on).

His yard was not a good place and I was looking to move him; took him to a new yard yesterday which might tell us more, if it was an allergy on the other place then he may stop.

I've though about telling the seller who had him briefly on sales livery but to be frank in the horse selling community, people only seem to get abuse when they ask something unpalatable. I don't think she will be at all interested in helping in any way. I have no hope whatsoever of seeing any compensation however unfair or wrong that may be.

I just can't believe that after all the searching and money saving, this dream has become such a nightmare. I picked a healthy fit horse, five stage vetted him, trialled him, did everything I could think of to get a good one, and am now thinking he'll have to be put to sleep within weeks if this doesn't resolve and I can't ride him. Or even if it does resolve, he'll be practically unsellable as I'll have to disclose this on any future sale. I have spent so much money on all this as well, it will take me years to save it back. How much bad luck can a person have? Is this just a sign that I should give up on horses for good?
 

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You are getting ahead of yourself, which is understandable, as it is very stressful to not know what is wrong with your horse.
It is most likely that your horse has a seasonal allergy and it may resolve with a yard move. If it doesn't there are ways to manage seasonal headshaking and it won't happen all year round. I would try the anti-histamines for a longer period, combine with a nose net for riding and avoid riding in full sun. As your vet suggested keep a log if everything that happens to try to find a pattern.
 

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Understandably you are upset and disappointed, but unless it is trigeminal triggered head shaking you may well be able to manage the symptoms. Putting sun blocker on a pink nose plus rubbing vaseline inside the nostrils sorted one of mine. Nose nets can work very well - Valegro needed one as a young horse.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear this. I have a headshaker and it's extremely distressing horse and owner. I have had my boy 18 years or so ( he's retired now) but I bought him in the November. Everything was great. Lovely horse. Come the march/ April he was virtually unrudeable. Would involuntarily flick his head about so you had to be careful when handling. Constant snotting and rubbing his nose on his leg. I spent so much money trying to get him help. I found riding first thing in the morning was best before the pollen rose. He went out in the field with a full face mask on. I also found putting vicks on his nostrils helped. Ironically if I took him out competing he was fine, not sure if he was distracted but he was fine to compete. He has now been retired for 7/8 years and his headshaking has decreased in that time. I really hope you find a solution but unfortunately it can be very difficult to treat. Hopefully yours will be easy to treat with a nose net etc. Definitely keep a log as different pollen can affect different horses. My boy is terrible with tree pollen and flowering rape.
 

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I bought my old gal from an RDA centre in SW England. Didn't have her vetted - and even if I had've it wouldn't have picked up the issue that developed later.

She was 8 when I bought her. Needed a bit of chiropractic treatment when I had her first as would be expected of an RDA horse who carried assymmetric riders.

Roll on about 18 months and she'd started headshaking. Tried everything: nose nets, different bit/bridle - and NO bit or bridle just a headcollar. Everything really. Under veterinary supervision we even did a "Bute Trial".

Vet sent video footage of her headshaking (which was worsening) up to Bristol Uni. They said it was trigimenal.

She was obese and vet was concerned about sub-clinical laminitis. She was too bad to be ridden and we couldn't even lead her out in hand as she just had no control over her poor old head and neck area and would become unbalanced, would cannon into you. She couldn't help herself, bless her.

Tried acupuncture but all it did was make her phobic to needles.

The "decision" we'd have to take was obvious. We had the knackerman out and she was put down, at home, at age 10. There was SOOOH soohh so much we had wanted to do: we'd wanted to do a few clinics, box up to the local beauty spot & ride-out with friends, and on the beach. But we never did it. My sweet girl. She was a darling and didn't deserve any of it.

I've previously lost one to laminitis, next horse had sweet itch, current one has got asthma. I certainly seem to pick 'em.

So sorry about yours OP. I probably shouldn't have posted this as it isn't positive.

I think you need a firm diagnosis of what is going on with this horse. Not that it will help you if it IS trigeminal, coz it won't, but at least it might settle the matter one way or the other for you. My vet discussed various diagnostic & treatment options - none of which are cheap, or carry any guarantee of degree of improvement. Some are quite intrusive and you need to be sure that it is something you want to put your horse through, if indeed your pocket is large enough.............

It is is NOT trigeminal, it might be worth looking at something like Salt Therapy (didn't help my asthmatic as much as I'd hoped), or herbal supplements? Even changing bridle style might help. Or location even if it is an allergic reaction to anything in that particular area. It might be worth getting onto a few FB groups and sharing experiences.

So sorry you are in this situation. It's the pits.
 
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I wouldnt start looking at doom and gloom just yet. The pollen has started to affect BB in March this year due to the constant change in temperature and weather.

You need to be consistent in the antihistamines, they need time to get into the system to work. So a good regular two weeks will provide some relief. i started BB in march and he has only had one runny nose!

Also I would say just because the horse did not headshake there it wont here especially since your in a completely different environment. So full face mask in field , you can get allergy balm from the range. Rub it at the nostrils. Riding , wear a nose net. Hopefully this is only topical and wont be serious. This kind of thing is very manageable.

For my 500/550 kg horse I give BB 15 per day after a loading period. 😊
 

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Have you tried riding in a full face mask? You can buy a lightweight purpose made mask for riding in (Cashel at £28). I had a horse who had a tooth removed in his later years and I believe this caused his trigeminal nerve problem. I think, if its not allergy related, you need to keep him out of strong sunlight as its the light which triggers the shaking. I found that riding early in the morning before the sun gets too strong or wearing a mask was the answer. You need to experiment as to what works best.
As for pts - if all else fails, some veterinary hospitals will take on horses to use as blood donors. You have to give up all claim to the horse. The horse has a good life being cared for with the others that they have. I know that the RCVS did do this.
I wish you the best of luck. Let us know how you get on.
 

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I have one who is light and pollen sensitive. He is currently on 10 antihistamines daily plus NAF Shake Relief and wears a face mask in daylight. He is turned out 24/7 and I’m not currently riding him due to losing my confidence. He still has episodes of head flicking (up & down) whilst in the field and sticks his nose in his water trough and splashes water on his face. It can be quite upsetting to watch but actually doesn’t last for long periods. When I rode I would do so early morning/ late evening when he was more comfortable. Have you seen your horse head shaking when at rest?
 

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I had a seasonal head shaker, only did it at this time of year. The rest of the year the horse was a superstar. Don't even consider PTS now, you might be denying yourself a wonderful horse. Whatever happens through the summer months, keep this horse into the autumn, then you will know if this is a permanent issue.
I'd agree with vet's idea of keeping a diary, including weather and brightness.
 
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I have a sunlight headshaker, she headshakes under saddle on bright days.
I think you should keep a diary to work out what the triggers are- think about the weather, time of day, check the pollen count that day etc and try to see if you can pinpoint it to something and then work with that.
Mine headshakes far worse in summer, but occasionally in winter when the sun is particularly bright.
 

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I bought my old gal from an RDA centre in SW England. Didn't have her vetted - and even if I had've it wouldn't have picked up the issue that developed later.

She was 8 when I bought her. Needed a bit of chiropractic treatment when I had her first as would be expected of an RDA horse who carried assymmetric riders.

Roll on about 18 months and she'd started headshaking. Tried everything: nose nets, different bit/bridle - and NO bit or bridle just a headcollar. Everything really. Under veterinary supervision we even did a "Bute Trial".

Vet sent video footage of her headshaking (which was worsening) up to Bristol Uni. They said it was trigimenal.

She was obese and vet was concerned about sub-clinical laminitis. She was too bad to be ridden and we couldn't even lead her out in hand as she just had no control over her poor old head and neck area and would become unbalanced, would cannon into you. She couldn't help herself, bless her.

Tried acupuncture but all it did was make her phobic to needles.

The "decision" we'd have to take was obvious. We had the knackerman out and she was put down, at home, at age 10. There was SOOOH soohh so much we had wanted to do: we'd wanted to do a few clinics, box up to the local beauty spot & ride-out with friends, and on the beach. But we never did it. My sweet girl. She was a darling and didn't deserve any of it.

I've previously lost one to laminitis, next horse had sweet itch, current one has got asthma. I certainly seem to pick 'em.

So sorry about yours OP. I probably shouldn't have posted this as it isn't positive.

I think you need a firm diagnosis of what is going on with this horse. Not that it will help you if it IS trigeminal, coz it won't, but at least it might settle the matter one way or the other for you. My vet discussed various diagnostic & treatment options - none of which are cheap, or carry any guarantee of degree of improvement. Some are quite intrusive and you need to be sure that it is something you want to put your horse through, if indeed your pocket is large enough.............

It is is NOT trigeminal, it might be worth looking at something like Salt Therapy (didn't help my asthmatic as much as I'd hoped), or herbal supplements? Even changing bridle style might help. Or location even if it is an allergic reaction to anything in that particular area. It might be worth getting onto a few FB groups and sharing experiences.

So sorry you are in this situation. It's the pits.
thank you for your reply, your story may not be the happiest but gives me the sense you understand what's going through my head x
My boy hasn't gotten that bad, so I am still praying it's not trigeminal as I am now aware of the mysterious and incurable nature of it :(
 

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Right now, I wouldnt really look on this as such a disaster, IME horse ownership throws stuff like this at you, it's all part of the journey. You will see so many people on this forum trying to solve their problems or find ways to manage them. If you own a horse, you need to get good at problem solving! For his sake and yours, don't despair.
 

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Yes - perhaps worth trying a longer period with a different anti-histamine as well (tried him on cetirizine) maybe
Anti histamines do not work on humans only taking them for a day and a half, no wonder they didnt work. Two weeks minimum to see a difference
 

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I have one who is light and pollen sensitive. He is currently on 10 antihistamines daily plus NAF Shake Relief and wears a face mask in daylight. He is turned out 24/7 and I’m not currently riding him due to losing my confidence. He still has episodes of head flicking (up & down) whilst in the field and sticks his nose in his water trough and splashes water on his face. It can be quite upsetting to watch but actually doesn’t last for long periods. When I rode I would do so early morning/ late evening when he was more comfortable. Have you seen your horse head shaking when at rest?
in rest is very rare, I have observed him do it once in the stable away from direct sunlight, when the breeze blew in his face x
 

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Anti histamines do not work on humans only taking them for a day and a half, no wonder they didnt work. Two weeks minimum to see a difference
ah ok, the vet didn't tell me anything about doing them for longer hence my short stint; for me they work in a day x honestly the more things to try the better so I'll get some more
 

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Try not to panic- Trigeminal mediated headshaking is quite rare. Definitely worth a longer stint on the antihistamines, and seeing if autumn/winter alleviates the issue- a horse with the trigeminal mediated headshaking will not stop. Good luck and hope you get to the bottom of it.
 

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I had one who stopped on global herbs airways plus. She was snotty with it in summer though, so allergies without a doubt.

Antihistamines - piriton (chlorphenamine maleate) is stronger than cetirizine, although is twice a day not once.
 

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what is everyone's take on what type of anti-histamines work best on horses? Tried him on cetirizine, is there a better one?
 

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I had one who stopped on global herbs airways plus. She was snotty with it in summer though, so allergies without a doubt.

Antihistamines - piriton (chlorphenamine maleate) is stronger than cetirizine, although is twice a day not once.
you read my mind, was literally about to ask this lol thank you x
 

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Did you have him vetted when buying him (I’m assuming it’s a yes as he was just under £10k). I would run the bloods just to be sure that they hadn’t given him something to mask it for the trial week…
 

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One of my horses is classed as a mild head shaker he doesn't nose flip he rubs his nose on his leg or other things, it's triggered by a lot of things putting something on his head is the main one so the bridle has to be right and not have pressure points, I find less is more and he has a very basic flat head piece, those shaped padded ones actually make him worse.

Vet thinks his is due to nerve damage in his face as he has had several bad guttural pouch infections, his actually 19 now I manage him fine and his still ridden so it's not all doom and gloom.
 

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Did you have him vetted when buying him (I’m assuming it’s a yes as he was just under £10k). I would run the bloods just to be sure that they hadn’t given him something to mask it for the trial week…
I don't think you could mask something like that for a whole week without giving the horse something daily, the op had the horse at her yard of choice for a week which wouldn't have been possible.
 
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