cptrayes
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I would agree if vets weren't taught diddly squat about healthy feet and shoeing.
Heart Bar Shoes
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I would agree if vets weren't taught diddly squat about healthy feet and shoeing.
Andalucian
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Fair enough, I admit I know nothing about heart bars
If you had to shoe a lami cushings horse for short term support what type of shoe would you use / would be better?
Short term support for a sore laminitic is better provided by temporary padding that can be adjusted as necessary for comfort. Assuming the animal is not ready to be brought back into work.
Developing a thick sole is key for the comfort of any recovering laminitic. Shoes (removing any abrasion from the ground) reverse the thickening process, so are best avoided altogether. However once fully recovered, if the owner thought it necessary to shoe a laminitic/cushings pony I'd only ever go for a standard fullered shoe. Boots would be far preferable as they're only on temporarily, thus limiting the sole thinning issue.
Andalucian
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Impressive JEZA
A Guilding
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Stoppit AG! I can't love a farrier any more than I do you already
It would never work between us, we want different things, I just cant see myself being able to change!
cptrayes
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It would never work between us, we want different things, I just cant see myself being able to change!
Just good friends then
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A Guilding
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Just good friends then
Of course, if you are sure you will cope?
Will the rest of the bare foot people unfriend you ?
cptrayes
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Of course, if you are sure you will cope?
Do I look to you like I'd be bovvered?????
EAST KENT
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This mare had been on hayledge the seven years I have owned her and NEVER has suffered laminitus or colic before.At the start she was found stood all four legs apart ,sweating,in fact poisoned, ,last year being so wet apparently changed the sugar levels in the crop.No horse should be on rich dairy cow feed,I should have known ,and the seller certainly should have known.As the vet said,horses ain`t cows ,totally different feed requirements.Lesson learnt by me,farmer still pig ignorant,sadly
In fact the vet said NEVER ever feed hayledge!amandap
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Was it poison from toxins formed by bacteria in too wet (badly made) haylage? It's scary as haylage is more like silage here and trying to introduce haylage made on an old meadow was what triggered one of my ponys' attacks.This mare had been on hayledge the seven years I have owned her and NEVER has suffered laminitus or colic before.At the start she was found stood all four legs apart ,sweating,in fact poisoned, ,last year being so wet apparently changed the sugar levels in the crop.No horse should be on rich dairy cow feed,I should have known ,and the seller certainly should have known.As the vet said,horses ain`t cows ,totally different feed requirements.Lesson learnt by me,farmer still pig ignorant,sadly
Silage and too wet haylage are at risk of toxins forming from nasty anaerobic bacteria. Proper haylage has quite a lower moisture content to silage but mustn't be too dry either.
It is actually easy to test moisture content before baling using a microwave oven and some scales! There isn't really an excuse not to make it properly. (Eta... except weather! lol) We owners have to be on guard for our horses and sadly some of us learn by bad experiences for our horses.
Microwave instructions on here but there are loads on the internet. http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/442/442-106/442-106.html
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Alyth
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Exactly!!!!
EAST KENT
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Was it poison from toxins formed by bacteria in too wet (badly made) haylage? It's scary as haylage is more like silage here and trying to introduce haylage made on an old meadow was what triggered one of my ponys' attacks.
Silage and too wet haylage are at risk of toxins forming from nasty anaerobic bacteria. Proper haylage has quite a lower moisture content to silage but mustn't be too dry either.
It is actually easy to test moisture content before baling using a microwave oven and some scales! There isn't really an excuse not to make it properly. (Eta... except weather! lol) We owners have to be on guard for our horses and sadly some of us learn by bad experiences for our horses.
Microwave instructions on here but there are loads on the internet. http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/442/442-106/442-106.html
Wish I knew,hindsight,the only exact science! She was re xrayed today because things had been looking very good,and turning her out in a tiny bare paddock was on the cards for next week.Then last night she did not back up as quick as I went into her,led her out and found her extremely sore.The xrays show that the pedal bone has not rotated any more (Phew!!) but on both fronts there is an area showing a sac of fluid build up just on the end of the pedal bone.This can be released by the farrier,so once that is done we can look to finally healing I hope.She also had the free Cushings test,we call her HairyMhairi,but I never thought she was any more than a hairey irish cob,just hard work on the clippers.Either way,she has a brilliant vet and farrier,so with luck she should come through.She is not a fat sort of mare,in fact sometimes she is hard to keep as I would want her,so maybe cushings is a possibility.It has been a nerve racking time,not one I would wish on anyone
patp
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Hi. So sorry to hear of all the heartache and worry you have had with your mare. We went through a terrible time with an old mare of ours about four years ago. She suffered from laminitis which was not at first diagnosed by the vet, (although we did query whether it could be lammi, but the vet said no because the lameness was only in one leg! we found out too late that this is total rubbish and a horse can have lammi in one or more feet, back or front!).
We were advised by the vet to walk her in hand and graze her in hand, the outcome was both front pedal bones rotated and sunk! She had developed founder - had we not walked and grazed her she probably would not have got so bad. I will always consider laminitis now, whenever a horse of mine is lame. No walking out or grazing, and if there is no improvement in a week, XRAYS in order to eliminate Laminitis.
From the date our mare was finally diagnosed on we listened to our farrier, who after all is the expert in the management of a horses feet. We did not have heart bar shoes because we did not want nails used, but we opted for 'imprint shoes' which were expensive but helped enormously with comfort for our mare. After nine months in the box and marvellous care from the farrier, (and with some peripheral support from the vet in terms of painkiilers,etc) our mare was bought back to full soundness! She even went on to win a dressage test that year. Sadly two years later she developed arthritis in her hindlegs and then the lammi came back. We decided that we could not put her through all that suffering again and took the decision to have her put to sleep.
That farrier gave our beloved mare another two years of painfree life. When it comes to horses feet I will go with what my farrier advises every time.
Wishing you all the best with your mare, you are obviously a very caring owner!
We were advised by the vet to walk her in hand and graze her in hand, the outcome was both front pedal bones rotated and sunk! She had developed founder - had we not walked and grazed her she probably would not have got so bad. I will always consider laminitis now, whenever a horse of mine is lame. No walking out or grazing, and if there is no improvement in a week, XRAYS in order to eliminate Laminitis.
From the date our mare was finally diagnosed on we listened to our farrier, who after all is the expert in the management of a horses feet. We did not have heart bar shoes because we did not want nails used, but we opted for 'imprint shoes' which were expensive but helped enormously with comfort for our mare. After nine months in the box and marvellous care from the farrier, (and with some peripheral support from the vet in terms of painkiilers,etc) our mare was bought back to full soundness! She even went on to win a dressage test that year. Sadly two years later she developed arthritis in her hindlegs and then the lammi came back. We decided that we could not put her through all that suffering again and took the decision to have her put to sleep.
That farrier gave our beloved mare another two years of painfree life. When it comes to horses feet I will go with what my farrier advises every time.
Wishing you all the best with your mare, you are obviously a very caring owner!
EAST KENT
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Thankyou PATP,I feel a lot happier after todays` xrays,she has not rotated..last night both I and Sue who helps out and rides her were worried sick.In fact it was more a case of ..well,is she going up to the kennels,but now we both feel so relieved that it seems sortable.
I know laminitus is unpredictable,I can only remember seeing it as a child in fat little welshies,and it was vile.this was so sudden though,my farrier is convinced because of this it is a reaction to hayledge toxins.Mhairi is not a fat type,in fact a week before her teeth were done as she was showing a couple of ribs..only a bit mind,but enough to check things out about.She is supposed to last me out,this one,and I really do hope she does.Finding saintly safe but willing mares is not the easiest sort to find,frankly I do not want to have to look again.
I know laminitus is unpredictable,I can only remember seeing it as a child in fat little welshies,and it was vile.this was so sudden though,my farrier is convinced because of this it is a reaction to hayledge toxins.Mhairi is not a fat type,in fact a week before her teeth were done as she was showing a couple of ribs..only a bit mind,but enough to check things out about.She is supposed to last me out,this one,and I really do hope she does.Finding saintly safe but willing mares is not the easiest sort to find,frankly I do not want to have to look again.
rvpeary
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My Mare came down with laminitis at the start of last summer. She had Hbs fitted in August, had them removed in December and now has normal shoes and up until now is fully sound and in hard work.
I guess its just whatever works for you. Go with your gut instict, thats what I did and luckily it worked
i was petrified about trying them after everything id heard, but i guess its like when your looking at holidays and you read bad reviews, all everyone ever seems to report back are when something bad happens and we never get to hear the good things.
I guess its just whatever works for you. Go with your gut instict, thats what I did and luckily it worked
i was petrified about trying them after everything id heard, but i guess its like when your looking at holidays and you read bad reviews, all everyone ever seems to report back are when something bad happens and we never get to hear the good things.
EAST KENT
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My Mare came down with laminitis at the start of last summer. She had Hbs fitted in August, had them removed in December and now has normal shoes and up until now is fully sound and in hard work.
I guess its just whatever works for you. Go with your gut instict, thats what I did and luckily it worked
i was petrified about trying them after everything id heard, but i guess its like when your looking at holidays and you read bad reviews, all everyone ever seems to report back are when something bad happens and we never get to hear the good things.
So pleased for you, I pray our end result will be as good.just have to trust my super vet and farrier,they know loads more than I do.
Cazza525
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My old mare wears one heartbar shoe on the front, the other hooves are normally shod. The reason for this is she was on boxrest last year for a fractured splint and the loaded foot which she was stood on, dropped. Her heels have dropped too, one through age and two, she was left in a field for fifteen years not doing a lot (feet cared for when necessary.)
She is much much more comfortable on the turn with hb on. I do find her more stumbly though but shes very unfit and just started very light work. I am hoping that she won't need it forever, but time will tell. It certainly allows me to get her out and about and see a bit of the world which she loves.
She is much much more comfortable on the turn with hb on. I do find her more stumbly though but shes very unfit and just started very light work. I am hoping that she won't need it forever, but time will tell. It certainly allows me to get her out and about and see a bit of the world which she loves.