Hedgehog advice anyone?

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A few weeks ago we had good reason to believe our neighbours (husband and wife) hurt a hedgehog. The wife was horrified and clearly distressed when my partner told her in all innocence about the lovely hedgehogs that come into our garden from their through a hole in the fence and told her that they were nesting under her garden shed. She shrieked and exclaimed that she 'hates them' and that they 'give her the heebie jeebies'.

Then they go on holiday for 2 weeks, we reguarly see the hedgehog during this time. They come back from holiday, the husband has been 'doing the gardening' whatever that means. They've never done the gardening in the 18 months they've lived at the property before. The following day and my partner spots our dog sniffing something on the lawn, it turns out its a dying hedgehog, breathing heavily on its side, not curling up like it should. We can't understand why its on the lawn in broad daylight anyway, let alone heavily breathing and its tongue going in and out. Refuses to curl up too.

So I whisk it to the local vet 3 minutes away as by law they have to treat. I rang up three hours later to find out it had been euthanised. I couldn't prove anything but I felt fairly confident that it had either been poisioned or hit with something with the intent of it leaving its nest under the shed. Too much of a coincidence to be anything else I think.

And then a couple of nights ago my partner reported seeing another hedgehog in our garden, it goes from the hole in the neighbours fence, along the top and down the side of our garden before going under our gate and down the alleyway at the back of our houses and into a hole in the fence of a garden that backs onto ours.

Then last night the hedgehog is in our garden again, curled tightly when I approached. Very heavy big hedgehog. But this was at 8.15am so still very daylight. Seemed to walk okay when it did get going but also tried to push itself between a plant pot and the house wall. In the end it walked up the garden, ignored the food I put out for it and hid between a paving slab and the garden fence the slab was leaning on.

This morning it had gone. Is this the normal behaviour of a hedgehog? I.e. to be out at 8pm in broad daylight. I don't want to take it to the vet in case its a female and its got babies its feeding. I tried to uncurl it by brushing its spine in the opposite direction (a tip I'd got from watching wildlife rescue) but it wouldn't uncurl.

I also don't want to take it to the vet as I really felt that they would have pts regardless of the condition, they didn't appear to make much effort in saving the previous one. Are they normally out during the day?? I can't see ticks or fly eggs and its not damaged or doesn't appear to be.

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How can people be so cruel. Sickening.

re the latest one being out at 8pm, they do come out sooner in summer because to get the food they need they have to, rather than wait till it’s really dark.

my current resident one is making an appearance by 9pm every night at the moment.
 

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How can people be so cruel. Sickening.

re the latest one being out at 8pm, they do come out sooner in summer because to get the food they need they have to, rather than wait till it’s really dark.

my current resident one is making an appearance by 9pm every night at the moment.
Its beyond me, like hearing about drunks who play football with them on the way home from the pub. Heartbreaking.

I'm relieved to hear they show an earlier appearance in the Summer.
 

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Definitely shouldn’t be out in the day agree your vets don’t sound that helpful. Find a local wildlife charity who will be much more used to dealing with hoggies. Poor things.
I had a number last night of a charity in the local area who I thought could help but I'm really reluctant to take it to them and run the risk of its leaving its hoglets behind. It was this that made me think:

I have seen a hedgehog out during the day, what should I do?

Hedgehogs are nocturnal and only come out at night. Generally, any hedgehog out during the day is probably in trouble and will need to be picked up and taken to a wildlife rescue centre. You can pick them up using gardening gloves and put them into a cardboard box, although they are good climbers, so you would need to ensure it cannot escape. If you are local to us, then please bring it along to Tiggywinkles, there is no need to call first as we are open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. To find your nearest rescue centre, check www.helpwildlife.co.uk.

But then I read this:

However, please note that during the summer months female hedgehogs may come out in late afternoons to forage for nesting material and extra food for her young; she will be active and should appear bright and healthy. If you are not sure if a hedgehog needs rescuing please do call us on 01844 292292 and we will help assess the situation.

Obviously if it hadn't moved all night I would have rang them this morning (the local number I had) but fortunately it was gone when my partner got up this morning to check. We'd made sure it was warm enough with some coconut basket liner leftover from the hanging basket.

I just think if my suspicions are right about the neighbours that it's on limited time. Ba*tar*s.
 

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I had a number last night of a charity in the local area who I thought could help but I'm really reluctant to take it to them and run the risk of its leaving its hoglets behind.

I would phone them, tell them your suspicions and consider any viable options. I don't know much about hedgehogs but if the babies are big enough could they be hand reared? It might be possible to wait until your neighbours are out, get the whole nest out from under the shed (if possible) and hand mum and nest to the rescue. I assume she'd abandon the babies but if there's any chance they can be hand reared it may be better than almost certain death for all of them. I'd definitely phone them even if it's just to get some expert advice on the whole situation.
 

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Hi. I’m currently fostering a hedgehog in my garden. My good friend Helen runs Helen hedgehogs on Facebook. She rescues. Rehabilitates and releases. Any hog out during the day is in trouble. Either poorly. Starving. Dehydrated. Full of ticks. Fleas. Lung worm. The list is endless. If you find the hog during the day .. take to someone who has knowledge of their kind. Rather than a vet. And quickly.
 

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I would phone them, tell them your suspicions and consider any viable options. I don't know much about hedgehogs but if the babies are big enough could they be hand reared? It might be possible to wait until your neighbours are out, get the whole nest out from under the shed (if possible) and hand mum and nest to the rescue. I assume she'd abandon the babies but if there's any chance they can be hand reared it may be better than almost certain death for all of them. I'd definitely phone them even if it's just to get some expert advice on the whole situation.
It's not my shed, I can't access their shed as a 6ft fence with trellis on top separate us from them. Nor would I, that would be trespassing. But I will phone a rescue if I see the hedgehog again for advice.

I think what I need to do is ascertain how I can get it to open up to sex it first. I assume its a female but I can't say for definite. Then we know there will be babies involved. As my partner sees them come out of the hole in the fence line between our neighbours and ours (I'm usually in bed or asleep on the sofa by this time) he knows they/it is nesting there.
 

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Get in touch with the lady that runs west Midlands hedgehog rescue for some advise ,she is brilliant
I took a hedgehog I found out in the day that was obviously unwell to her a few weeks ago
She's by junction 11 of the M6 and has a Facebook page and website
https://www.wmhr.org.uk/phone/contact.html
Thank you, I have put that number in my phone also.
 

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Unless I’m reading it wrong, the hog isn’t out during the day but at 8pm?

due to longer daylight hours at this time of year they come out earlier because there aren’t enough dark hours for them to sufficiently forage.
That’s what I read very recently anyway, concerned that my own hedgie was out itself in daylight by 9pm.
 

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I would definitely call some kind of hedgehog/wildlife rescue and ask their advice. I keep an African Pygmy hedgehog as a pet and they are just the sweetest little animals, but any distress for the mum or disturbing the nest causes them to kill/eat the babies (breeder of mine was the only one allowed near the mums and babies) so it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen ☹️ Handling wise, if you can get some live meal worms from a pet shop, any that you find out in the day you might be able to coax out once they’re in a quiet box, or some wet cat food. That way you could check for injuries.
 

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I would definitely call some kind of hedgehog/wildlife rescue and ask their advice. I keep an African Pygmy hedgehog as a pet and they are just the sweetest little animals, but any distress for the mum or disturbing the nest causes them to kill/eat the babies (breeder of mine was the only one allowed near the mums and babies) so it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen ☹️ Handling wise, if you can get some live meal worms from a pet shop, any that you find out in the day you might be able to coax out once they’re in a quiet box, or some wet cat food. That way you could check for injuries.
Meal woms are not to be given
 

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Meal woms are not to be given

The odd couple of live ones as a treat do no harm, it’s only if they are regularly fed dried ones (no nutritional value) that they cause bone loss/issues. In terms of movement and smell to coax out a hedgehog to check for injuries it’s probably the best bet. Chicken flavoured dreamies work well for mine (he will do anything for them!) but I’m not sure if they’d be suitable for wild British ones.

ETA- earthworms are fine too, you can buy them from reptile/aquatic pet shops or dig them up in the garden. Slugs/snails etc they’ll eat but I’d be wary that neighbours probably put poison etc down
 
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out at that time i would say is a nursing female a friend runs forth hedgehog rescue up here if there's no injury's and its moving about ok i would just leave it be but could call someone just for advice
 

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Sounds like they are poisoning the hedgehogs! Absolutely sickening!!
If I said what I'd do to them I'd get another ban!
Its exremely frustrating but I can't accuse them or report them because i don't have proof and it would be extremely difficult as they are our terraced neighbour - we are end of terrace.

If a post mortem had been done on the last hog I still couldn't prove it was them that had poisioned it.
 

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Are the hedgehogs living on your side or their side? Could you block any holes that would let them front your side to their side ?
 

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Are the hedgehogs living on your side or their side? Could you block any holes that would let them front your side to their side ?
Under their shed so in their garden. They come into our garden through the gap in the fence between our gardens.

I could block the hole when its in our garden but if it has a nest of hogs it can't gain access to then they will die.
 

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Probably not helpful right now but if your neighbours don't really want them in their garden & you'd like them in yours could you make some little hedgehog houses & start putting food out if you don't already (you can buy special biscuits or kitten food with a high meat content is ok, as is chicken flavoured wet cat food plus a dish of water (not milk). Wouldn't worry seeing a large, healthy looking adult at 8pm at this time of year but would worry if out in actual daytime.

Difficult to say re the poorly one. There COULD have been some foul play on your neighbours side or it could have been riddled with parasites eg lungworm or if it was during the warm spell could have been really dehydrated. (laying on side struggling to breathe would tend to suggest parasites or pneumonia but could also be a toxin)

Good that you've got contact details for a local rescue if the one that's left does turn out to need help
 

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A few weeks ago we had good reason to believe our neighbours (husband and wife) hurt a hedgehog. The wife was horrified and clearly distressed when my partner told her in all innocence about the lovely hedgehogs that come into our garden from their through a hole in the fence and told her that they were nesting under her garden shed. She shrieked and exclaimed that she 'hates them' and that they 'give her the heebie jeebies'.

Then they go on holiday for 2 weeks, we reguarly see the hedgehog during this time. They come back from holiday, the husband has been 'doing the gardening' whatever that means. They've never done the gardening in the 18 months they've lived at the property before. The following day and my partner spots our dog sniffing something on the lawn, it turns out its a dying hedgehog, breathing heavily on its side, not curling up like it should. We can't understand why its on the lawn in broad daylight anyway, let alone heavily breathing and its tongue going in and out. Refuses to curl up too.

So I whisk it to the local vet 3 minutes away as by law they have to treat. I rang up three hours later to find out it had been euthanised. I couldn't prove anything but I felt fairly confident that it had either been poisioned or hit with something with the intent of it leaving its nest under the shed. Too much of a coincidence to be anything else I think.

And then a couple of nights ago my partner reported seeing a hedgehog in our garden again, it goes from the hole in the neighbours fence, along the top and down the side of our garden before going under our gate and down the alleyway at the back of our houses and into a hole in the fence of a garden that backs onto ours.

Then last night the hedgehog is in our garden again, curled tightly when I approached. Very heavy big hedgehog. But this was at 8.15am so still very daylight. Seemed to walk okay when it did get going but also tried to push itself between a plant pot and the house wall. In the end it walked up the garden, ignored the food I put out for it and hid between a paving slab and the garden fence the slab was leaning on.

This morning it had gone. Is this the normal behaviour of a hedgehog? I.e. to be out at 8pm in broad daylight. I don't want to take it to the vet in case its a female and its got babies its feeding. I tried to uncurl it by brushing its spine in the opposite direction (a tip I'd got from watching wildlife rescue) but it wouldn't uncurl.

I also don't want to take it to the vet as I really felt that they would have pts regardless of the condition, they didn't appear to make much effort in saving the previous one. Are they normally out during the day?? I can't see ticks or fly eggs and its not damaged or doesn't appear to be.

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I run the London, Kent and Surrey hedgehog rescue. If you want advice call my number on the Google page. Your instincts sound right to me- if a hedgehog is out in the sun/daylight and not heading for shade it’s in shock and most likely very dehydrated. I’d need to hear more details to help and can collect if any are injured (you’d be amazed how some vets won’t help)- I’ve taken in over 17 hogs and released them back into the wild. If you find one out in the daytime not moving, put it in a large container with a towel covering and access to water. Give it lots of time to recover from the shock. It’s such a shame people don’t appreciate these lovely little animals xx
 

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Probably not helpful right now but if your neighbours don't really want them in their garden & you'd like them in yours could you make some little hedgehog houses & start putting food out if you don't already (you can buy special biscuits or kitten food with a high meat content is ok, as is chicken flavoured wet cat food plus a dish of water (not milk). Wouldn't worry seeing a large, healthy looking adult at 8pm at this time of year but would worry if out in actual daytime.
We thought about doing this but have a dog. I'm not sure she would hurt it as she's very gentle and docile, but she is inquisitive. I think if she got spiked she'd learn pretty quickly.

What do you reckon Oreo & Amy?


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