Heights of your babies!

I bought a colt foal some years ago. Having looked carefully at the sire, Embla George RID 16.2h and the dam Embla Daisy 16.2h, damsire was Colman who was a big horse.

My colt followed the damsire and finished at 18h of heavyweight hunter. Fab horse but nothing bought off the peg for him, so was costly to tack up and clothe.
 
Ok here's a tricky one for you all to guesstimate!!

Mare is around 11.2hh (reg'd Welsh Section A)
Sire was a 2 year old Freisian standing at around 15.2hh (but that's me guessing and he since died so no way of telling his final height!)

Suprise foalie Niabi is standing around 9hh at the moment (another guess I'm afraid!) and has just turned 2months old.

Anyone care to put in their guess of how big she will make?!

Kim
 
FfionWinnie said:
I am looking at a yearling who was 1 past April who is standing at 13.3 now. His parents are both 14:2s. Do you think he will be bigger than them? He is half Welsh sec D.
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I would definitely think he'll be bigger than them. Maybe he'd make 15.2? Do you know what height the grandparents are? Maybe there's a taller gene in there somewhere!
 
dam; welsh D 14.1 biggest in an old line (all other mare max was 14)
sire; traditional cod amedeus (spelling?) 15.1h

6yr old by these now stands at 17.2h

no-one knows how that happened sire had never thrown anything that big to anyones knowledge he had been used a lot, we guess it must have been a throw back to some heavy horse on his side at some point, owner could not keep the youngster though as far too big for her
 
Mare and Sire both 16hh, Baby is 3 and a half and 16.2hh still with some to go (stupidly long legs and at vets advice). Turns out Mummy's grandsire was 17.1 and she has a few throwbacks over 17 mark :eek:
 
It's a lottery ;0)

Mare 15.3 (TB)
Sire 16.2 (WB) and throws big...

...except for me - baby now 15.1 on tip toes and was 3 in July ;0)
 
I have a 2 yr old Hanoverian, Mum 16.1hh - Dad 16.3hh, baby currently 16hh at the front and 16.1hh at the back. Was originally estimated to make 16.2hh.

Slightly worried as it turns out he has at least 2 half brothers (same sire) that are 18hh+ :eek:
 
well.....I thought I would try the two leg measurements again as I have not done it for a while. Measuring elbow to fetlock and then up says he has about 3 or 4 inches still to grow :eek: However, measuring the length from mid knee to coronet is 15 1/4 inch......hes just a liiiiitttttle over 15.1 now so guessing that ones wrong!!!!
 
Measured my 16 month old RID x Cob this evening during the wrestling match that is called worming ! She has certainly grown since the last worming because this time I couldn't reach when she said 'no thanks'.

14.13/4, weighing in at 428kg.

Sire is 16.3h and dam 15hh how big is the foal going to be then ?
 
How much further back in the breeding would ancestors have an influence on height ?
I'm curious because there are undisputed records from 1765 of outside blood being brought in to improve the quality of forest bred/forest running New Forest ponies. A lot of TB and Arab was introduced, plus chunkier native breeds such as highland and fell.
The use of outside blood was banned in the 1930's.
My own pony, as an example, has pure New Forest bloodlines dating back to beyond any "official" breed records began, but some lines have other breeds appearing around the early 1900's.
She has Fell, Highland, Thoroughbred, Yorkshire Coach Horse, Hackney and Cleveland Bay ancestors.
The Thoroughbred is most prominent though as she has one particular pony repeated in 7 lines of her sire line....I didn't get as far as checking her dam line but the same pony is repeated on several lines there too.
He was a 14.2 Riding Pony called Field Marshall. First appearing only 8 generations back.
Field Marshall(1907) was by a Riding Pony called Marechall Niel, who was by the Thoroughbred Rosewater(1883) - (Rosicrucian(1865) x Lady Day(1872), and out of a New Forest Mare.
Field Marshall's dam, Polo Queen, was a Riding Pony by a 15.2hh called Boy Of The Period, ano out of a 13.3hh Welsh Mare.
Boy Of The Period was by the Thoroughbred, Guy Dayrell(1867), who was a son of the 1855 Derby winner, Wild Dayrell(1852). Guy Dayrell's dam was the TB mare, Reginella(1862)...grand daughter of the TB mare Pocahontas(1837).
So, with these same Thoroughbred lines repeated 7 times throughout my pony's sire line, and possibly the same again through her dam line,(from just 8 generations back through Field Marshall) plus another TB line repeated a few times (St Osmond(1892) - Timothy(1884) x Osmonda) from 13 generations back, (with Cleveland Bay back at 22 generations back on 2 branches of her dam line). OMG :eek:JEEZ ! I sound like a right geek !
So, with so much repetition of the same TB blood on both sides of her pedigree, that are not really "that" long ago, could this be why she has already grown bigger than both of her parents at 3 years old ?
I bought her straight off the forest at 2 years old. She was about 13hh/13.1hh then. Sire and dam are both 14hh/14.1hh, maternal grandsire is 14.1hh and maternal grand dam was 12.3/13hh. New Forest ponies in her pedigree range from 12.3hh - 14.1hh, before the repeated riding pony (14.2hh) then TB(average 16hh) comes in. Cleveland Bay is too far back I think to have any influence (although she does have a CB "look" about her head).
The only change to her "lifestyle" was from birth to 2yo...she lived "somewhere" in 92,000 acres of the New Forest, then moved 500 miles north to Scotland, a good several degrees colder and a hell of a lot more wet/windy. She lives out 24/7 all year round in a 100 acre field of old mature (poor quality/unfertilised) grazing with no man made shelter but surrounded by mature woodland and native hedging. She gets no additional hard feed other than an occasional token handful of high fibre cubes. She isn't normally rugged, but has a lightweight on just now after having a bath before a show 2 weeks ago.
She currently measures (stood up properly on a level concrete surface) 14hh at the withers and 14.2hh at the highest point of her croup (VERY bum high !). She is 3 years, 4 months old.
Sorry that was so long. :o
 
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