Help - at a complete loss....

Perissa

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I am now at a complete loss with my arab gelding.

A couple of weeks before Christmas he started rubbing his tail. No big deal, all horses get the odd itch so washed it with teatree shampoo and that was that.

A few days later he rubbed it again, so I washed it again and this time rubbed in baby lotion thinking the skin may be bit dry.

A couple of days later he rubbed again, so now I think hello whats going on. I inspect closely and don't see any critters. Inspect the others and don't see any critters either. Wash his tail and apply sudocream as he's made either side of his dock area sore and also under his dock area.

Then a couple of days later I actually see him rubbing and I see that he is actually trying to rub his bottom rather than his tail and he started to rub his offside shoulder. Very odd so I wash him with insecticidal shampoo just in case.

A few days later he rubbed again so this time I sprayed him with Deosect. I also wormed him with Invermectin (although he had been wormed 4 weeks earlier with Equest). Ivermectin kills sucking lice and pin worms, if they were present.

This made no difference at all so a couple of days later made an appointment with the vet. In the mean time I clipped him out, everything off apart from legs. Had to call a friend to do his underside and my abdomen is still tender and I can't scrunch my tummy up upside down under a horse. She agreed there were no signs of critters.

Vet examined him and says that I have done everything that she would have suggested and is at a loss to explain. The only thing she said was to wait and see if the clipping has an effect.

Well it did, for about a week, rubbed his tail/bottom again and made it sore, washed the whole area with hibiscrub and applied Aloe Vera gel liberally, then he did it again 2 days later (which was Saturday)so I repeated the hibi and Aloe Vera.

I will be washing his bottom everyday and applying Aloe Vera as I can't think of anything else to do.

He is out the same field, on the same food, same hay etc, nothing new there. He has a clean night rug once a week.

Since being clipped he has not rubbed his shoulder. The vet can only suggest a steroid injection which, of course I am very reluctant to do but may have to as a last resort.

So what the hell do I do now?
 
Could it be a cereal/starch intolerance and the skin is reacting? He may not have had this problem before but new things crop up all the time.
I would try a elimination diet- start with basic chaff to begin with and then add one thing at a time to see if any particular ingredient is causing a reaction.
Also are you washing the rugs in just hot water, would not wash with any chemicals.
 
No, same washing powder. I have sensitive skin so its always non Bio Fairy. Owned him for 6 years and never been a problem before. ALso always rinse them twice as well.
 
Sorry but thought of that one too. He is a hot horse and never needs heavy weight rugs - even fully clipped he's only in a medium and feels neither too warm not too cold.
 
Fine, not flaky, not dry, not scabby. Looks like perfectly healthy skin.

Some more info

He's on paper bedding on rubber mats.

His hay is soaked.
 
Have you gone down the food route - i.e stopping all hard feed to see if that makes a difference. (even if he has been on it for years)
 
Our pony rubs her tail raw in summer also her mane, have tried all sorts of itchy remedies and last year found that washing her mane and tail in head and shoulders once a week stopped her.
 
Taken from the website

Formulated after extensive research Safe & Sound was developed to provide optimal nutrition for horses and ponies at risk from laminitis. A high fibre, low starch (less than 10%), low fructan diet, Safe & Sound provides the correct amount of calories for light work or for horses and ponies at rest.

Safe & Sound contains a combination of key ingredients to help combat some of the issues relating to laminitis:-

QLC anti-oxidants to help promote long term health and neutralise free radical activity.
MSM for its soothing properties.
Biotin to maintain hoof integrity.
Omega 3 & 6 fatty acids and linseed to promote coat condition.
Stand Free herbs blended to help support healthy hooves.
Yea-Sacc to aid digestion and promote beneficial bacteria in the hind gut.
Enriched with vitamins and bioplex minerals.
In addition Safe & Sound contains a blend of low calorie short chop fibre and a unique ‘nutri-nut’ which helps to maximise chewing and eating time which is essential for promoting healthy digestion as well being ideal for slowing down greedy feeders and providing occupational therapy.

Nutrient Analysis

Est. Digestible Energy 8.0 MJ/Kg
Protein 8.5%
Oil 3.8%
Fibre 22.0%
Ash 8.8%
Vitamin A 8,250 iu/kg
Vitamin D3 1,200 iu/kg
Vitamin E 85 mg/kg
 
OK, an off the wall one for you.
My mare came with a warning that she rubbed her tail when in. Which she did, but in a very "odd" way, as if she was trying to get under it. Tried everything, as you do, no change.
Then while giving her the basic new horse overhaul, I got her back seen by an excellent McTimoney person. She had 2 sessions of treatment, and she has never rubbed her tail since. In fact her tail looks like a native pony's not a TB!
I'd never heard of anything like it in horses, but both the chiro and my vet sister said you see similar behaviour in dogs, so???? Worth thinking about??
We've decided if my girl starts to rub again, it's the first thing we'll try next time, anyway!
 
I wouldnt believe everything they say on the packet, I had a starch intolerant horse once and the things that they say on the cover is not always the truth! What is the definition of low starch? Some companies think it is under 10%, whereas others would say under 4%. There was a very slim margin with my horse- over4% starch and he would colic and his skin would break out. In the end I found out that spillers hifibre nuts were lower starch than any of these 'specia'l products. So would look at the list of the exact ingredients which would be on the bag.
I'll bet that it has molasses in it! and alfalfa, which can also cause skin reaction.
 
Certainly worth a thought.

He's has loads of physio for the last 3 years. He was last done in October and is booked for March so hasn't been done for 3 months.

Food for thought....
 
He's been on it for about 2 years so my first thought is why now? It is certainly worth considering. The vet did not think it was a factor but its got to be worth a try. I feed my ponies Hoof Kind so could easily swop him to that.
 
My vet mentioned that tail /bottom rubbing in a gelding can be a sign of a problem in the genitals, they cannot rub that area themselves so the tail / bottom is the nearest area that they can get to.

Maybe a good clean and inspection of his man parts will do the trick .
 
have you pulled his tail at all? (sorry if that is a stupid question to ask about an arab!
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) mine spent months rubbing his tail bald after it had been pulled - even tweaking out a few hairs round the side will set him off again!
 
"I also wormed him with Invermectin (although he had been wormed 4 weeks earlier with Equest). Ivermectin kills sucking lice and pin worms, if they were present."

Covered that one!
 
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What does the skin look like where he's been rubbing? I ask because my PBA gelding does this every 6-9 months - the skin on the rubbed area (always his bottom) feels hot, starts weeping, flaking off and the hair falls out. I treat it with Camrosa which stops the rubbing for a while and then off we go again.
 
His skin looks fine, its not hot or flakey and isn't weepy either.

I've bought him some nettle to try in his feed. Got to be worth a go.

Since washing his dock and slathering on Aloe Vera every evening he hasn't rubbed since Saturday (as in Friday night).
 
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