HELP, bucksin foal wanted from my grey connemara mare

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Hi there! in the next few years I am looking to breed my purebred dapple grey Connemara, I have been looking at a few of the forums and getting myself confused. is grey the dominant gene? If so, does this mean Dancer (my mare) would be unable to produce a buckskin foal? I know it sounds picky to want a specific colour but I love them. If grey isn't the dominant gene would I have to find a homozygous stallion for the buckskin coat colour?
I have attached pictures of my mare who is slowly turning white! the picture of her at her darkest was only one year ago! she has changed a lot


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If you are breeding to another Connie, you can't get dun because they don't have the Dun gene in the breed. But Buckskin is possible as Connies do have the Cream gene.

RE grey - it is dominant, so if a horse has one copy (or two copies) it will grey out.

Do you know what colour she was before she greyed out?
Do you know if she has one or two grey parents (and what colours they were before they greyed out)?


ETA. Even if she only has one copy of grey, breeding her to a non grey will still mean a 50% chance of getting a grey. If the colour is top of your list, it might be worth buying a buckskin or bay dun youngster. Have a look at Havenbeech Stud as they have a Welsh creamello stallion and breed some very nice buckskin foals by him.
 
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Faracat said:
If you are breeding to another Connie, you can't get dun because they don't have the Dun gene in the breed. But Buckskin is possible as Connies do have the Cream gene.

RE grey - it is dominant, so if a horse has one copy (or two copies) it will grey out.

Do you know what colour she was before she greyed out?
Do you know if she has one or two grey parents (and what colours they were before they greyed out)?
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her sire was grey, his grandsire was dun and gran dam was grey, and her dam was grey, with a grey grandsire and unknown granddam. there are quite a few buckskins and duns in her breeding. which confuses me slightly as it says 'dun' on their breeding? so how is the dun gene present if its not in the breed.

I don't know what colour she was before, but obviously she has black legs, and kind of yellow/light brown fleabitten parts on her face. is it possible she was maybe dun before and the grey came through?

and so as she is grey, does this mean it will be impossible for me to get any other colour foal apart from grey? thanks
 
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Grey gene fades them, it overwrites any other colour.
Depending if your mare has one or two copies og the grey gene as to wether you have a chance of another colour.

If you have one gene, you have a 50% chance of getting a non grey foal.

http://www.jenniferhoffman.net/horse/horse-color-genetics.html#3800300000

this is a brilliant and visual site that is great at helping understand the genes
 
Ok, so both of her parents were grey. Therefore it's possible that she has two copies of grey. It might be worth getting her DNA tested. If she has two copies of grey, every foal that she has will grey out.

Buckskin and bay Dun look very similar, but they are genetically different. The 'duns' in her pedigree were really buckskin.
http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics2.html
^ look at the cream and dun sections on here to learn the difference. :)

She could have been buckskin before she greyed out, but as I said earlier, you might find it easier to buy what you want. If however, you really want to breed from this mare and a buckskin foal would be the 'icing on the cake' then that's a different matter. :)
 
Ohhhh okay I understand the buckskin dun thing, not as confusing as I thought! So is there a way of getting her genetically tested to see it she has two grey genes? And what is the rough price? Thank you everyone for the help
 
She is lovely. My favourite dun/buckskin connie stallion is Dale Vardor.
BUT I think, from reading on here, that grey and cremello togather can cause fatal melanomas so if so if she has the cream gene and the stallion does aswell that may be a risk?
I will see if I can find the tread.
 
That is so interesting thank you for that! I think I'm definitely going to get her genetically tested, hadn't even heard of the melanoma risk with the colours!! And that stallion is absolutely gorgeous!
 
You would need to test for grey, cream & red and I think they may do a discount -otherwise just test grey & if she is homozygous any foal she has will grey out.

If she has cream she could produce a buckskin to a bay stallion but a buckskin stallion could give a perlino or cremello foal.
 
Thank you! But on the website it said;
G/g Grey Positive for dominant grey gene, carrying a single inherited copy. Carrier's coat modified and will eventually become de-pigmented. Heterozygous grey horses are statistically likely to pass the gene to 50% of their progeny when bred. So the offspring would fade out to grey even if she had one grey gene? Or am I confused
 
durydancer said:
Thank you! But on the website it said;
G/g Grey Positive for dominant grey gene, carrying a single inherited copy. Carrier's coat modified and will eventually become de-pigmented. Heterozygous grey horses are statistically likely to pass the gene to 50% of their progeny when bred. So the offspring would fade out to grey even if she had one grey gene? Or am I confused
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A grey horse has either one or two copies of the grey gene. If she had a non-grey parent you would know she is G/g as she could only get the gene from one parent but as both of her parents could have passed her the gene she could equally be G/G -homozygous grey and only able to produce grey foals.
The test will tell you which she is.
 
On the stallion side, if you are looking for performance there are so many good duns out there!
The Daddy of all performing duns is Templebready fear Buí. He is getting on a bit now, not sure of he's still around actually but there should be straws around.
http://templebready.zzl.org/
He really is a legend and has prodced some mighty stock, pure and half breds.
His son Templebready Fear Glic is about though.
I'm not a huge expert on Connie lines but there are a good few performance lads out there. The connemara pony breeders society is a good place to start, I don't know what the english eqivelant (sp?) is, might be worth looking them up.
I am absolutely no help with the colour thing. As long as it isn't a chestnut filly I'm happy ;)
 
If your mares parents were grey it is unlikely she will have anything but a grey baby. Sorry not to be more enthusiastic but it is very likely she is homozygous grey
My connie has no grey at all and is bay with a buckskin dam and black sire
 
gadetra said:
On the stallion side, if you are looking for performance there are so many good duns out there!
The Daddy of all performing duns is Templebready fear Buí. He is getting on a bit now, not sure of he's still around actually but there should be straws around.
http://templebready.zzl.org/
He really is a legend and has prodced some mighty stock, pure and half breds.
His son Templebready Fear Glic is about though.
I'm not a huge expert on Connie lines but there are a good few performance lads out there. The connemara pony breeders society is a good place to start, I don't know what the english eqivelant (sp?) is, might be worth looking them up.
I am absolutely no help with the colour thing. As long as it isn't a chestnut filly I'm happy ;)
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wow!!! he looks so lovely, his colouring is amazing! and hardly any generations away from the first ever Connemara apparently! impressive. hahaha I think id just be happy for anything now, aslong as she/he has the same temperament as my mare but not as 'feisty' when shes in season haha
 
edenwood said:
We have a buckskin connie stallion who we have had colour tested. His name is dark stranger pm me if your interested. We have a website www.claresconnemaras.com
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You really need to update your website and list his colour as Sooty Buckskin and not Dark Dun, especially as you know (you have DNA tested him after all) that he does not have the Dun gene.

I know that it has only been since the advent of DNA testing that the difference between Bay Dun and Buckskin has been fully understood. However, the sooner that stallion owners advertise their stallions accurately, the better.
 
Op: As others have rightly said, at best you have 50% chance of breeding a buckskin out of your grey mare.

DNA testing will let you know if you have a 50/50 or 100% chance of the offspring being or turning grey.

If I were you I would DNA test, but if breeding with a specific colour in mind, would forget it and buy instead. ;)
 
Unfortunately the Connemara world still use the colour dun even if they are buckskin so that is why we have left our stallion as advertise as dark dun because it confuses people otherwise. The most important thing is that we inform people that he is carrying the creme gene. We are still trying to make people understand that even a grey Connemara pony could still be carrying the creme gene which can really confuse some of the connie people.
 
edenwood said:
Unfortunately the Connemara world still use the colour dun even if they are buckskin so that is why we have left our stallion as advertise as dark dun because it confuses people otherwise. The most important thing is that we inform people that he is carrying the creme gene. We are still trying to make people understand that even a grey Connemara pony could still be carrying the creme gene which can really confuse some of the connie people.
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People need to get with the times! Pandering to their ignorance isn't the way to go IMO. :)
 
edenwood said:
Unfortunately the Connemara world still use the colour dun even if they are buckskin so that is why we have left our stallion as advertise as dark dun because it confuses people otherwise. The most important thing is that we inform people that he is carrying the creme gene. We are still trying to make people understand that even a grey Connemara pony could still be carrying the creme gene which can really confuse some of the connie people.
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But he is not "carrying the creme gene" . He is expressing his single copy of cream.
 
I agree with Edenwood, expecting people to move with the times and pleasing your customers can be two different things. They say he has the cream gene and describe his colour as dark dun...ticks all the boxes that you need to know genetically!
 
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