HELP, bucksin foal wanted from my grey connemara mare

windand rain said:
If your mares parents were grey it is unlikely she will have anything but a grey baby. Sorry not to be more enthusiastic but it is very likely she is homozygous grey
My connie has no grey at all and is bay with a buckskin dam and black sire
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not all my mare was dun turned grey but had palomino foal from a palomino stallion
 
Leviathan said:
Depends on the gene.

my late mare was a dun but she turned rose grey .
her son if pure palomino after his dad. Sedgehill Gold has VERY strong genes so you could get palomino if you wanted one

You need to do some research .http://www.cotesbachquarterhorses.com/our-services/
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The mare would need to carry the chestnut gene for the chance of a palomino, genes are there or not, they aren't strong or weak.
 
Leviathan said:
not all my mare was dun turned grey but had palomino foal from a palomino stallion
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Your mare was Buckskin not Dun and carried 1 copy if the grey modifier, along with red. It has been suggested the OP test to establish if her mare carries 2 copies of grey - if she does then ALL her foals will grey out. Even using a double dilute stallion, she only stands a 50% chance of breeding a Buckskin or Palomino because her mare is at least heterozygous for grey.
 
I've read this strong/weak genes thing a couple of times on here recently.

my late mare was a dun but she turned rose grey .
her son if pure palomino after his dad. Sedgehill Gold has VERY strong genes so you could get palomino if you wanted one
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He is lovely. I am sure the only H Tobago foal I have seen that isn't chestnut is Maesfen's...his Mum must have verry strong bay genes!
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I really don't mean to pick on either of the posters quoted above, it's just that they have both misunderstood how genes work.

Genes are either recessive or dominant. With base colour it's very simple. Black is dominant over chestnut. You need two chestnut genes for a horse to look chestnut (or be a chestnut based colour).

You don't get strong chestnut genes and weak chestnut genes - they are recessive to black and that's that. on the flip side, you don't get weak or strong black genes, they are dominant over chestnut and that's that too.

Taking the top example (palomino foal from a buckskin/grey mare), The stallion must have passed a chestnut gene to the foal and the mare must have passed a chestnut gene to the foal (palomino is chestnut based) and then one parent passed on the cream gene required to make a palomino coat.

It's all about odds (the mare must have had one black gene and one chestnut, so it was 50% / 50% which she passed on - nothing to do with weak or strong. The same goes for the stallion (who I believe is a pally), so he was chestnut based so 100% chance of him passing on a chestnut gene, therefore the base colour was up to the dam in this case. As they both had one copy of cream - flip a coin as to who passed it on.

I'm glad that you got the palomino foal that you wanted. :)

RE Tobago, he is chestnut, so can only pass on chestnut to his foals. If he is to sire black or black based colours, the black gene needs to come from the mare. Nothing to do with strength, again it's odds. If the mare is homozygous for black, every foal that she has with Tobago will be black or black based. If she's heterozygous, then it's 50% / 50%, black / chestnut.
 
To pour some cold water............if you are that sure of what you want, your best bet is to go out and buy a foal or yearling someone else has taken the risk of breeding. Then you can see its colour and conformation before you commit to it - I bred over 20 foals over the years and probably 1 in 4 or 5 had a confirmation problem, despite carefully selecting mare and sire.
 
I will get defensive, although not offended! I joked about H Tobago. I do understand genes, I breed chickens primarily to play with new colours so have to be fairly clued up.
So, it was a joke about all his foals being chestnut...although most of them are! ;-)
 
Clodagh you really are everso naughty. Why have you failed to abide by HHO rule number 385 (all jokes must be accompanied by ;) or :p smiley, so that the denser readers *not me guvner - honest* can tell that it's a joke)?
 
If you would please, please, please tell me how to get smileys back - I lost them in the upgrade - I would be delighted to pepper every post liberally... HELP!!
 
crellow4 said:
Your mare was Buckskin not Dun and carried 1 copy if the grey modifier, along with red. It has been suggested the OP test to establish if her mare carries 2 copies of grey - if she does then ALL her foals will grey out. Even using a double dilute stallion, she only stands a 50% chance of breeding a Buckskin or Palomino because her mare is at least heterozygous for grey.
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My mare was a dun not a buckskin
 
Leviathan said:
My mare was a dun not a buckskin
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This mare? She's absolutely stunning.

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I don't know why people seem to hold Dun above buckskin in terms of value? Neither are super fancy or rare (although buckskin is more common than Dun in the UK due to the cream gene in Connies and Weshies).
 
Faracat said:
This mare? She's absolutely stunning.

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I don't know why people seem to hold Dun above buckskin in terms of value? Neither are super fancy or rare (although buckskin is more common than Dun in the UK due to the cream gene in Connies and Weshies).
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yes Faracat she was:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
Faracat said:
I don't know why people seem to hold Dun above buckskin in terms of value? Neither are super fancy or rare (although buckskin is more common than Dun in the UK due to the cream gene in Connies and Weshies).
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I don't think they do consider one more valuable over the other - they just get the terms incorrect. Many people still believe they are the same - including, it seems, some breed societies.

Nice mare but looks buckskin rather than dun.
 
Its mostly because certain pure breeds carry the dun gene and others dont so for example a highland (carrying the gene) x with a TB can be Dun
A connemara (never carrying the gene) x with TB will be buckskin but can never be a dun
Hence the confusion
Connemaras and TB dont have the gene to create dun but Connies do have dilute genes hence the buckskin colouring You will never get a pure TB with dilutes genes and will never get a pure British Native with splodges as they dont carry the correct genes (except shetlands)
They may look coloured though as some especially Welshies as they carry sabino and may well look like they are patched
 
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