Help Humphrey

Hi

Just to clear up the video question , there wasn't a lot of space at Currie green it is quite small and there were a lot of horses there,so had to walk around in a tight circle. It was a video because that's what kids do these days they don't take pictures , they take videos that way they can freeze frame any bit they like to get the best picture. The other question is are we missing something? , we are as baffled as everyone else , there is to be a second interview with SSPCA next week , we have no idea on what grounds . Vets reports are all fine, he spent 2 days at the Dick vets and had another independant Vet out 5 days after seizure. I can understand people questioning what's going on here because we're asking the very same question. Thankyou for the support , I hope you understand we haven't got the resources to reply to everybody's questions but it really is the story of the truth. Who in their right mind would put out anything but the truth when dealing with a huge ,very wealthy organisation.
 
We still do not have a single piece of documentation . The only thing we were given was a SSPCA calling card with the officers name and a reference number . There was no date or time , or reason for seizure . I understand its hard for people to comprehend its even harder for us . The girl is in the middle of her GCSE equivalents . She had been given predicted As in her sciences , she wanted to be an Equine Vet , but all is not lost, even though she's having great difficulty sleeping , what will be will be . Its Physics and Chemistry next week , keep your fingers crossed who knows , maybe they'll stop all this insane nonsense and give him back before Monday. We're too late for Biology and Maths but she's a bright cookie
 
Cannot believe someone can seize an animal without correct documentation.. something really stinks here, and that's the SSPCA seriously trying to cover their backs with ****! :mad:
 
This is appalling it really is! I will share as much as I can, and I truly hope Humphrey is returned home where he belongs,
As an owner of a TB and we are in Kent, so have had it no where near as bad as you all have, I empathise, Wishing you all the best, I hope the girl can sit her GCSEs and remember that Humphrey WILL come home, it is just going through the motions to get him there now. Best wishes,
 
amymay said:
Tallyho, you're obviously used to seeing poor looking horses.
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no I'm not amymay, I'm used to seeing FIT ones :)

Sorry but I don't see a poor horse.

Maybe you are used to seeing fat ones lol :p
 
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i feel awful for humphrey. woman at my yard owned him years ago, she put him out on loan as she had a baby, and when she got him back he was skin and bone. sspca did nothing about the people that left him up to his knees in mud in a bald paddock, but seem to have taken him from a loving home. the woman i know that owned his is so upset.

poor guy has been through the wars :(
 
So charities will leave far poorer horses if thy have acess to food and water and remove this one??

It's ridiculous and video had me in tears.
 
Ahrena said:
So charities will leave far poorer horses if thy have acess to food and water and remove this one??

It's ridiculous and video had me in tears.
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Reminds me of when I was 8 and my dad bought me a kitten. Because we accidentally missed a neutering appointment, the RSPCA came and took him from me :( it was crazy. I cried for days.

Oh dear, I'm crying again. :(
 
I find this almost unbelievable! OP, has the owner been to see a solicitor? I would be firing off legal letters right left and centre. Their (SSPCA) acions cannot be correct. Bully boy tactics.
 
In England you need a vet to say the horse has to be removed and a police officer to ok it , I can't think Scotish law would allow one person to to remove another's property willy nilly this horses owner needs a lawyer with experiance of this type of work quickly.
 
He is an older, ex-racehorse, I would expect him to be lean.

If they are going to seize every lean tb they had better start at the racecourses and seize all the eventers while they are at it.
 
There was a vet present with them on the night , her opinion seemed to differ with the vets reports done after seizure.We cannot be sure of what she is going to put in her report of the night of seizure as that report was not available at the first interview which was 17 days after seizure ( she appears to be absent from work and had not submitted it to them , at least that is what they told our solicitor ) The reports from the Dick vets and another independant vet where available, and certainly not grounds for seizure. The inspector did call the police because a member of the public starting filming them ,convinced that this just could not be allowed surely? She was told to' stop filming or we are calling the police' , she continued to film in the horses best interest. The inspector told the police it was such a severe case he needed immediate removal .The police said 'they're the experts' .
 
HelpHumphrey alot of this doesn't make sense? Are you the owner?
Why are you stating the SPCA needed a warrant? SPCA inspectors are enabled under the Scottish animal welfare act to exercise powers of entry, search and seizure.
As there is no real private prosecutions in Scotland the SPCA lays reports for the crown fiscal office to consider for prosecutions, so why don't you just wait and defend yourself?
 
MillyMoomie said:
HelpHumphrey alot of this doesn't make sense? Are you the owner?
Why are you stating the SPCA needed a warrant? SPCA inspectors are enabled under the Scottish animal welfare act to exercise powers of entry, search and seizure.
As there is no real private prosecutions in Scotland the SPCA lays reports for the crown fiscal office to consider for prosecutions, so why don't you just wait and defend yourself?
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Because they have her horse and it could take months.
 
Not only the fact we were told it could be dragged out for years , we're very worried about how distressed he is , wouldn't you be ?
We want him home safe and happy
 
So you are the owner? And you have already been interviewed? It can't take years. There is a certain amount of a time limit.
Distressed? Of course I would be worried but what evidence have you got? I have not read anything that seems believable yet.

Distressed but from reading your posts and FB there seems to be about 4 vets involved?

I'm sorry but this just does not add up.

What were you interviewed about? Maybe that will shed some light?
 
I will prob get shot down but I don't care, I have just looked at the loading videos of this horse, that is not a lean horse,that is a bloody thin horse, not only that, he was being ridden pretty hard in that condition. Maybe take a look at that vid and see what you think.
 
To add, the sad video of her loving her horse is all well and good but it is well edited and most of it is from the summer, to make a true judgement you would need to see still photos of the horse on the day he was taken away. Freeze some of the vids of him loading, then see if you think he looks like a healthy, well covered horse... He doesn't , he looks poor, his coat is dull and his neck is non existent.
 
Charlie76, I must say I too thought the same. Even in the first edited video there are a few occasions where he looks very poor. That's does not look like a fit thoroughbred in good condition.
 
MillyMoomie said:
HelpHumphrey is this a live investigation? If so then it is in your interest to remove this thread.
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Yes it is ongoing and only Admin can remove

Check OPs video link at 3mins 14secs being ridden the day of removal--to me that horse is not suffering, lean yes, but fit and happy looking.

If you have followed the story, the horse was upset by another lorry and took 40 mins to load to come home so yes he looks run-up, but lame and suffering no.

Rideouts are very exciting, horses have a ball out with their friends for at least a couple of hours some are much longer, with a sharp gallop now and again.
TBs tend to think they are back racing again
When they come home, they take time to unwind and rehydrate, Humphrey did not get that chance and had to go through loading all over again.
 
Cuffey. I know a fair amount about TBs, I also have high level eventers, these are fit horses. In the videos provided that is not a fit horse, it is a poor horse. One that does not look in good enough body condition to be doing any fast work at all let alone for 'at least a couple of hours'. If you knew your elderly horse was in poor body condition and highly likely to 'run up'... Why would you purposefully aim to work it?

I have been following the 'story', I have also looked at the FB site. Quite simply the 'story' changes, I have not see any suffient answers or evidence to back up what happened. One minute the horse was 'stolen', the next the police were in attendance. The SPCA have powers anyway. They say they have no idea why the horse was taken, then it was taken because of loading, then condition, then we are back to ' no idea why we are being interviewed'. BUT an interview has already taken place.... It just does not work like that I'm afraid.

What about the other horse? What are we not being told.
 
Is his coat dull? In the walking round video his neck looks shiny. He looks clipped out and will have coat growing back in so it won't look great. This has been Scotand's coldest spring for 30 years. In the loading video, he has just done a rideout, travelled home and then been reloaded again ( which does not sound a good idea I agree Cuffney!) He may well have dried sweat in his coat.
I don't know if things are right or wrong here but I don't think commenting his coat is dull is fair.
 
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