Help- I need to get my horses back from rescue centre!

amymay said:
sgcoolchick. You should have taken responsibility for the coloured horse a long time ago. There are worse things than being put down - as you've now discovered. 15 owners tells you a story in it's own right.

I suggest you go to the 'rescue' center and speak in person to the owner to find out what the story is.

If you feel you can give both horses, now, a permanent home try and negotiate their return.

If you can't - learn your lesson, and don't 'rescue' yourself those which you can't keep.
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Ok i will just ignore that he is unhappy and not being treated correctly where he is now or just have him shot shall i? I came on this forum for advice and people just want to shoot me down! i am not the one mistreating a horse here, i have tried to give this horse a chance, he caused me no issues when being unridden, and I CAN AFFORD to keep him now on my parents farm at least I admitted defeat when I had 4 horses and didnt keep them all and let any suffer. the problem being where i thought i was sending him is not what it was portrayed to be and now I want to have him safe, well and happy! am i really asking too much, should i just turn a blind eye and ignore the situation?
 
pixiebee said:
I take it you have not read her other thread regarding the coloured then? her comment was very relevent.
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No (not yet!). Was just taking info from this post at face value.

I do agree that OP should not take on ('rescue') additional horses that she cannot keep herself. Far better to quietly have PTS than risk them being passed to a home where they'll be moved on again and again until someone else takes the decision to PTS further down the line.

A lesson learnt OP, I am sure.
 
Ceris Comet said:
Spyda. I wasn't the first poster to mention the other thread.
It's a public forum, people can post how they feel.
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Sorry Ceris Comet - no offence meant bearing in mind I'd only read this post so didn't/don't-yet know anything else about other posts or what they may contain. I was just reading this post at its face value and your view seemed harsh. Now I know there is more to read, I will..... *goes off to look at OP previous posts*
 
sgcoolchick said:
Ok i will just ignore that he is unhappy and not being treated correctly where he is now or just have him shot shall i?

I came on this forum for advice and people just want to shoot me down! i am not the one mistreating a horse here, i have tried to give this horse a chance, he caused me no issues when being unridden, and I CAN AFFORD to keep him now on my parents farm at least I admitted defeat when I had 4 horses and didnt keep them all and let any suffer. the problem being where i thought i was sending him is not what it was portrayed to be and now I want to have him safe, well and happy! am i really asking too much, should i just turn a blind eye and ignore the situation?
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I advised you to speak to the rescue centre to find out what the story was.

You've had some excellent advice, but now from catching up with your other posts it sounds as if this horse has not been managed well in terms of your expectations for him. And I'd say (with hindsight now on your part) you've let him down.

It's great that you can now afford all your horses - and that would be the perfect outcome.

However, if you can't get them back - you will at least have learn't and important lesson.
 
amymay said:
sgcoolchick. You should have taken responsibility for the coloured horse a long time ago. There are worse things than being put down - as you've now discovered. 15 owners tells you a story in it's own right.

I suggest you go to the 'rescue' center and speak in person to the owner to find out what the story is.

If you feel you can give both horses, now, a permanent home try and negotiate their return.

If you can't - learn your lesson, and don't 'rescue' yourself those which you can't keep.
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JFTD said:
No you gave them away to an unregistered "rescue" to let them cause the suffering :cool:
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and i have admitted i feel like a fool for doing this! but the past is the past, i came on here for help to sort this situation once and for all and people just want to make me look like a bad horse owner! i cant seem to do right for doing wrong?
 
sgcoolchick said:
and i have admitted i feel like a fool for doing this! but the past is the past, i came on here for help to sort this situation once and for all and people just want to make me look like a bad horse owner! i cant seem to do right for doing wrong?
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Well, get off line - call the rescue centre, make an appointment.

Call Trading Standards, raise your concerns and go from there.

Sitting on here won't get your horses back................
 
OP - do you have a plan of action yet? Have you decided what you are going to do? Have you taken legal advice or done any delving into whether they are an insured riding establishment? £50 to join BHS gold will be much cheaper then going to a solicitor imo if money is an issue, otherwise I would try speaking to people who will actually know where you legally stand. I know everyone on here wants to help but people on a forum can only really give opinions rather than sound legal advice. So sorry to hear what you are going through and hope you find a solution x
 
BentleyBelly said:
OP - do you have a plan of action yet? Have you decided what you are going to do? Have you taken legal advice or done any delving into whether they are an insured riding establishment? £50 to join BHS gold will be much cheaper then going to a solicitor imo if money is an issue, otherwise I would try speaking to people who will actually know where you legally stand. I know everyone on here wants to help but people on a forum can only really give opinions rather than sound legal advice. So sorry to hear what you are going through and hope you find a solution x
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Thank you- I have spoken to my solicitor and have an appointment to see him tomorrow, as far as he is concerned i have not signed them over and therefore they are still legally mine he wants to meet me, see evidence and then go from there. sorry if i sound like im getting a bit upset but i genuinely look after my horses and im not a bad person! i thought maybe someone would be able to relate but obviously i am a total idiot :(!
 
sgcoolchick said:
Ok i will just ignore that he is unhappy and not being treated correctly where he is now or just have him shot shall i? I came on this forum for advice and people just want to shoot me down! i am not the one mistreating a horse here, i have tried to give this horse a chance, he caused me no issues when being unridden, and I CAN AFFORD to keep him now on my parents farm at least I admitted defeat when I had 4 horses and didnt keep them all and let any suffer. the problem being where i thought i was sending him is not what it was portrayed to be and now I want to have him safe, well and happy! am i really asking too much, should i just turn a blind eye and ignore the situation?
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OP, if I were you I'd hold my hand up and admit I've messed up instead of getting angry and defensive. Your energies would be better used trying to put right the injustices done to this poor horse, rather than trying to argue back here.

No-one's saying you shouldn't try to get your horses back. But a few are pointing out it's a situation of your own making. I'd accept that critisism and make use of the very good advice you've had here. :)

Good luck sorting things out for your horses.
 
sgcoolchick said:
please can anyone assist?

i gave a rescue centre two of my horses back in january, the rescue centre claimed to rehabilibtate and retire horses, i was pleased with the yard and agreed to deliver them- a retired tb, and a coloured with some issues which meant he was to retire / or can do some gentle hacking. it has come to light that theand tb is fine, however the coloured boy is being ridden by a novice who is the posting videos of himself jumping him (this horse is almost 18) and i wanted a quiet retirement home, he is also unsound on his left shoulder and my vet previously advised no jumping and only light schooling. this novice very large man is now jumping him and photos and videos of him being bounced on and his mouth being jerked around have appeared. to say im disgusted is an understatement. someone who lives close to the centre has informed me he is going in the school almost every day and they have never even hacked him out, so in reality my boy is being used to teach novices to jump rather than being ridden gently! other things have also happened which i do not at this point want to bring to peoples attention but believe me they will be once this situation is sorted! the rescue centre owner said i could visit my horses and ride my coloured boy whenever i was free to pop down- she is now saying he has a bad back and lots of other things so he can only be ridden by one certain rider (supposedly the sack of potatoes i have seen in the photos) who has been taught by the back specialist to ride him in a "certain" way- what a load of tosh! even more so what an insult saying i cant ride him yet the sack of potatoes can?! im furious! she has now also blocked me from seeing any activity on her facebook. now tell me if i am in the wrong, but if she has nothing to hide why would she refuse to let me ride him and why would she hide him from me on her facebook? i trusted this girl and it seems she is doing everything she can to prevent me from having any contact with a horse i adored and it was a hard choice to give him up along with his best friend the tb! so she has both their passports, but i never signed any form of document or signed them over to her, i have a reciept for the purchase of both the horses and the people i purchased them from will also vouch for this, and their proof of from when they owned them! now i need to know, how do i go about getting them back? please please help or advise me if you have had a similiar situation, im kicking myself and feel totally mislead and disgusted with how i have been treated! i will not turn a blind eye and i want my horses back in a safe home where they are not being messed around with!
sorry for rant! thanks for reading :)
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Regardless of whether she has your passports or not... they're still in your name... phone BHS and get moving.
If I was very concerned (and from what you've said I would be) I'd go and collect the horses with a couple of burly guys. If police are called she's currently withholding your property.

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BentleyBelly said:
OP - do you have a plan of action yet? Have you decided what you are going to do? Have you taken legal advice or done any delving into whether they are an insured riding establishment? £50 to join BHS gold will be much cheaper then going to a solicitor imo if money is an issue, otherwise I would try speaking to people who will actually know where you legally stand. I know everyone on here wants to help but people on a forum can only really give opinions rather than sound legal advice. So sorry to hear what you are going through and hope you find a solution x
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The current price for BHS gold membership is £62 and their legal helpline is fantastic. You also get public liability insurance for any horses that you own. It's well worth it. You can now join online too.

ETA - My friend was in a similar postion a few years ago where she gave her horse away to what turned out to be an unregistered charity who sold him on as a riding horse, despite him having kissing spines. Unfortunately she wasn't in a position to do anything about it.
 
I really hope you get your horses back OP and get the place closed down if it is that bad. I would have thought a call to WHW would also be helpful as there seems to be other horses suffering at the hands of this 'charity' and not just your two. Good luck with the solicitor meeting, got my fingers crossed for all of them.
 
I don't think telling the op that she has let the horses down is really going to help guys! I doubt any of you can make her feel worse than she does.

Op - if it was me I would be going down there tonight with a trailer to pick them up. Maybe not the best way to go about it but that is what I would do. Good luck in getting them back.
 
PandorasJar said:
Regardless of whether she has your passports or not... they're still in your name... phone BHS and get moving.
If I was very concerned (and from what you've said I would be) I'd go and collect the horses with a couple of burly guys. If police are called she's currently withholding your property.

Pan
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Except OP started her post by saying

sgcoolchick said:
i gave a rescue centre two of my horses back in january
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So she has admitted that they were a gift. Passports are not proof of ownership.

OP - firstly I would get this post removed/altered as by your own admission you gifted the horses. If the 'rescue centre' was to see this it would stand in their favour.

I think if you follow some of the advice on here you may get 'your' horses back, if only they don't want to deal with the bother.

Grr, yet another 'rescue' centre :mad: :mad: Why is it always the horses who have to suffer :(
 
rhino said:
Except OP started her post by saying



So she has admitted that they were a gift. Passports are not proof of ownership.

OP - firstly I would get this post removed/altered as by your own admission you gifted the horses. If the 'rescue centre' was to see this it would stand in their favour.

I think if you follow some of the advice on here you may get 'your' horses back, if only they don't want to deal with the bother.

Grr, yet another 'rescue' centre :mad: :mad: Why is it always the horses who have to suffer :(
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thank you for your kind words and input- how do i get this removed? i tried reporting this whole post? sorry im a bit rubbish with this :(
 
sgcoolchick said:
thank you for your kind words and input- how do i get this removed? i tried reporting this whole post? sorry im a bit rubbish with this :(
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If you've reported it (pressed on the triangle) you'll just have to wait until admin/tfc are on duty to read your report and see if they will remove it for you. :)

You don't need to apologise, it's obvious that you're now trying to do the right thing. It's just not the first time that this sort of story has appeared on here, and it's unlikely to be the last :(
 
Who just takes horses and looks after them for nothIng? Charities, yes, but then rescues who have been neglected. Not just people who can't be bothered to look after their old or unusable horses. Surely common sense would tell anyone that there is something fishy going on?
 
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if i really didnt care i would of had him pts.

I think that would have shown you DID care. Giving him away to the first randomer you found is far more cruel than just pts
 
We have 3 horses on retirement livery and pay for them all!!! Tbh op you say the coloured bolted etc when ridden, you then said u had no probs with him so rehomed him as a hack?? Maybe their is a reason he is just being ridden in school??
 
sgcoolchick said:
Ok it's a long old story- please DO NOT assume I am a bad horse owner. I bought this horse from a friend who saved him from being put to sleep! he did not end up being what I was looking for i.e bolting on the road etc. He is 100% to handle and ride in a school. but not out hacking, he was sold to a new home where he then apparently caused havoc and they threatened to shoot him- i was not going to let this happen on the basis he was a gentle sole to manage. I took him back- i could not afford to take him back but i would not see him put to sleep. at this point I had 4 horses, all my horses are well cared for and have the best of everything- i then decided 6 months after having him back and him settling so well that perhaps...PERHAPS someone out there may be able to make use of him and hack him quietly ...which was when the rescue centre got in touch, now i admit i have been a fool...or been "fooled" and he is now being used for a different purpose. I do not like to see this and i will not stand for it, which is why i would like him back. At the end of the day he always behaves 100% with me to handle, we have a bond and i love him to pieces, everyone around me tells me to have him pts, but i wont do it on the basis he is good to handle and respects me when handling him on the ground. Therefore i would appreciate people not saying oh your shoving him from pillar to post, i have actually just tried to give him a chance. or he would be in the ground by now~! i have done much research on this horse and traced approx 15 previous owners, i wanted to be the one who could provide him with the right home, but i got in a situation around xmas time and I had to try and find a home for him and my old tb. I would be more than happy for him to stay at the rescue centre but i can not bare to see photos and hear the stories of what is going on. so please say what you wish about me but i am sure it would break your heart too, if i really didnt care i would of had him pts.
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:( I didn't know this before I posted... sometimes PTS is far kinder than moving an older horse around several homes. Just because you are keeping them alive doesn't mean they have any quality of life. Focus on what you can afford and don't get anymore.

Personally I think that people who do care would have had him PTS rather than having 6months of unecesary stress and potentially pain from being over worked. But then if my horse wasn't at an age or temperament to be rehomed reasonably, I would rather make other cut backs than make them suffer. You take on the responsibility of the horse for a long time. Would you pass a child from pillar to post? You chose those horses not the other way round

Pan
 
I haven't read all of this thread by any means - I simply do not have time - so this might not be helpful. But please do feel free to give me or one of my team a call on 02476 840517 (BHS Welfare Helpline) and we will do all we can to help (bearing in mind that we are not solicitors, that is why we have the specific legal helpline).

We will need the full story as I have only skimmed a few posts here but it may be useful for you to talk to someone.
 
BHS_Lee said:
I haven't read all of this thread by any means - I simply do not have time - so this might not be helpful. But please do feel free to give me or one of my team a call on 02476 840517 (BHS Welfare Helpline) and we will do all we can to help (bearing in mind that we are not solicitors, that is why we have the specific legal helpline).

We will need the full story as I have only skimmed a few posts here but it may be useful for you to talk to someone.
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Fantastic offer here op, please ring and try to get this sorted.
 
With all the best will in the world...some of these people can be very convincing. And when faced with destroying a horse (18 isn't that old nowadays) or a convincing story from folk with a nice yard it's human nature to take the easier option and perhaps overlook niggling concerns due to the relief of not having to a) find disposal costs or b) knackerman duty

Sadly the con artists are becoming more convincing and even more unscrupulous and even more common and now I wouldn't hesitate to PTS a horse as opposed to passing it on free in ANY shape or form.

Too many liars about.
 
BHS_Lee said:
I haven't read all of this thread by any means - I simply do not have time - so this might not be helpful. But please do feel free to give me or one of my team a call on 02476 840517 (BHS Welfare Helpline) and we will do all we can to help (bearing in mind that we are not solicitors, that is why we have the specific legal helpline).
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OP, PLEASE ring Lee at the BHS. Chances he knows of this so-called 'rescue' centre and will be able to advise you of the right strategy. If he HASN'T come across it yet, then he NEEDS to know about it and start some investigations as it sounds very dubious, at best!
 
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