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LauraWinter

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I am having major confidence issues with my boy, who I am supposed to be bringing back into work but not doing so very successfully
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I probably just need a good kick up the bum but its really getting me down that I just feel sick at the thought of getting on him. I cant see myself ever getting to the point where I will be ok again and I guess I am just looking for explanations/ suggestions really.

To cut a very long story short, I bought him May last year, he never out a foot wrong and although green (he is rising 7 now) was very willing and genuine. managed to ride him for about 5 weeks after getting his saddle and shoes sorted before the yard got strangles and was effectively shut down for three months. He had that whole three months off, brought him back into work beginning of Sept and again he didnt put a foot wrong, even the first time I rode him. However we did have some handling issues (general barginess/bolshiness) which I put down to the sugarbeet he had been on to try and gain some lost weight when he was ill and these improved when I took him off it again. Getting on really well, more school work, first time jumping, then suddenly one day he bucked me off- never experienced anything like it, no warning and a real rodeo with no chance of staying on. I get physio out who says slightly sore back, one tenth lame so then get vet out, who says yes def lame.

2 week course of bute, sound again and we hack out on vets advice. Horse fine. Next hack, horse naps in a couple of places up drive (told by previous owner that he had napped before with novice rider but never with her and never before now with me). Next day, try again, He naps again, but worse. Feel that he is lame again, get vet back, yes vet says 3 tenths lame. Expensive work ups later, diagnosis OCD in both stifles, off to clinic for arthroscopies. It is now 1st December. Nothing clinic can do, damage is mild but irreparable, advised 6 wks box rest and course of cartrophen. Horse turned back out gradually mid Jan and advised walk out in hand= nightmare, horse rearing, chucking head etc and limited anyway because of icy yard. Ice goes, ride out around block, horse extremely tense feels like about to explode. Vet reassess- almost sound but slightly short on all four, get reshod and advised bring back into work gradually. No other option but to see if stays sound.

Get on day one, horse very tense, I feel very nervous about this but doesnt actually 'do' anything. Day two, slightly more tense, tries to nap in school. I get even more nervous
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Day 3 lunge mostly in walk on very large circle, horse fine. Day 4 lunge again on very large circle, walk and some trot, horse fine. Day 5- ride in school again, horse naps badly and on verge of explosion. I feel very tense not helped by the fact that horse did a massive rear on way in from field, no real explanation
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Handling issues have improved lots. We have had 'words' and he now stands when I stand and say STAND rather than just ploughing on regardless or dragging me over to every bucket in sight. Horse generally very laid back indeed and coped excellently with box rest (until tried to lead out..). Today= day 6. I go up to yard prepared to get on again and just feel sick. Really, really nervous. I chicken out and engage YM/instructor to ride him for next two weeks in school for 25 mins at a time. Horse tries it on with her- leaps and bucks but only once, not even enough to unseat her and puts in a sudden stop and small rear once. She agrees that he just feels very fresh, on edge and is confident that his behaviour is down to excitement. I just feel so useless for not persevering myself- its not like he has actually done anything awful to me and I am not normally a particularly nervous rider but I cant stop thinking about when he bucked me off. I dont blame him for his behaviour- with all factors considered I am sure it is not unusual however I am wondering where I go from here once the two weeks of instructor riding him are up? I cant afford to spend out much more on lessons etc and what if I feel just as nervous?

I cant think of anything else I can do to try and settle him down, he is looking well but is not over fed and goes out all day everyday. The only thing left to try is some kind of calmer or changing him from haylege which he is currently on to hay- however I feel I would have to up his hard feed a little as he gets most of his feed value from it. I have had mixed opinions on whether haylege affects their behaviour and he only started it when oin box rest so I have no idea whether changes in his behaviour are related partly to that or just to everything else.

I am so sorry this must be the longest post in the world but I am just feeling so down about it and need a kick up the backside
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Please feel free to share my bottle of wine if you read all this, you may find me paddling round hopelessly at the bottom of it somewhere!
 
Bless you! Sounds like you've had a time and a half with him. I understand how you feel as mine is taking the mick with buckets/turning out and bringing in. My arm gets yanked. Keep having to have words with myself to be the boss!

He's obviously picking up on your nerves. Lunge him before you ride to tire him out abit and when he naps don't panic - just tell him off. I've heard about alot of people that have one headphone in their ear to distract them from feeling nervous - have you tried that? He will feel fresh having been out of work. Just take each day as it comes and keep your chin up!

Not so sure about haylege/hay either.
 
Try not to worry, most horses will behave in this way after a considerable amount of time off esp if box rested.

I know its not everyones cup of tea and I'm sure I will get a bit of back lashing for saying it but Parelli really does help and if you get the ground work right everything else will seem so much easier
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*takes large gulp, then spits out OP*
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Give yourself a break hun, you had a shock and it hurt, it can take time to recover from that
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Cut out all hard feed, move onto low grade hay (so long as weight is okay). What's he like on the lunge? Out hacking?

I find that when I'm having a nervous moment, a long (and I mean long) hack is the management of choice
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. I rope in Friend or Daugher1 and we head out at a brisk clip, with the aim of tiring ned and getting me to relax
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Gosh, sounds like a nightmare for you. I can't offer much in the way of advice, other than cut hard feed and up forage feeds, and then change to hay to see if it helps. I'm sure someone with a clue will be here very soon with good advice but just wanted to show a little support.
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ETA, they all got in whilst I was typing my post, see I told you good advice would be along
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Thanks for your replies. I guess lunging first would be the obvious one and what I would normally do but unfortunately he is only supposed to be doing restricted work so I cant really lunge him enough to tire him out even a little bit before I get on
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ETA ditto long hacks- 20/25 mins max at the mo unfortunately and I jsut keep thinking I would rather fall on my head on the sand (again) than on the road!!
 
i cud do with the wine!!! cant afford my own bottle right now!
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I think it sounds like a very stressful situation for you!

1st - WELL DONE!! a) for keeping on going with him and b) for sorting out the groundwork so well!

2nd - I think that going back to square one and basically almost rebacking him might be the way forward. Does he lunge? If so, Id maybe lunge him for 25-30 mins then get on, and just walk him for 10 minutes, if he is good then its RIDICULOUS amounts of praise etc. and gradually build it up involving some trot etc and all the praise when he behaves.

3rd - keep up the ground work as I find the more respect a horse has for you on the ground the better they respect you as a rider (not saying it will sort out the on board issues but it definetly wont hurt!)

Is he turned out? As this often calms them down when they get access to grazing/turn out etc.
 
Maybe lunge him for short periods for a few days and then try riding at the weekend. That way he'll be getting fitter and shouldn't feel as fresh when you do decide to ride.
 
Ermm ok just re read that bit about the lunging things

How about lunging him for 2 days, then the next day do lunging for 15 mins, then 5-10 mins riding. then lunging 2 days then next day 15 mins 5-10 mins riding

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how about having someone like a friend on the ground while your riding just to back you up obvioulsy an experianced rider who can tell you what to do from the ground ure instructor would be perfect, as she has dealt with this by riding him through it, may make you more confident, and make you believe in yourself more.

could it be that with him having so much time off obviously you arent as confident and you've lost your guts a wee bit, but maybe you's arent as close as he has been consantaly in pain etc
 
grey gates- I cant help thinking that more time off is exactly what he doesn't need though, he has had far more time off work than in it since May! Plus we dont have any grass...just mud!! You are right though in that I feel it would of been easier to deal with this if the weather was better.

L_N that is a good idea and probably the best I will be able to do but I think it still wont be enough to take the edge off him but def worth a try.

JT yes you are right, I am definitely not as confident as I have not been riding much and also since being bucked off I am sure he can sense my nerves so its a bit of a vicious circle really
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Is there anyone you can hack out with, is he better in company? Or have you tried leading him out...I took my loopy mare out for walks in the summer when I wasn't in the mood for a fight riding...we used to have a walking race up a steep hill, she nearly always won but stayed chilled out!
 
Ive recently had confidence problems similar to yours.

I moved yards just before Xmas and my horse was gradually put on haylage (used to have hay) and he also had unmolassed sugarbeet.(hes on part-livery) He had a complete personality change and totally ignored me when I came up to the yard and then he had a complete fit in the school leaping, bucking and running off
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- Ive had him 5 years and he has never behaved quite so dramatically. He was very very tense and excitable and unpleasant to be around generally. I've completely cut out haylage and sugarbeet and he is 80% better. He has an added problem of being in love with a mare he has pair bonded with - Im having to wait a couple more weeks to separate them. I would also recommend a calmer until you can get him back into decent work - So-kalm plus works well. You don't have to use it forever and if it stops him or you being hurt that has to be a good thing. Also I found doing groundwork really helps me. I took him for an hour walk in hand after the snow doing lots of halts and backing up and turning. Its also not a bad thing to let your instructor get him back into the work ethic - I find after a few weeks off they don't get that they have to earn a living
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Oh heck, he sounds like a lovely horse! I don't mean to say that you're not having a tough time, of course you are. But really if this is the worst he has thrown at you after all his health issues and box rest then he deserves a medal! :-)

If you can afford to keep a horse at all you can afford to have a few lessons to get you back to being a nice partnership. And in between times perhaps ask a friend/family member (they don't even have to be horsey, just supportove and with a phone to reassure you) to be there when you ride.

If he is on such restricted work that you can't lunge before getting on does he need to be ridden yet at all? Could you just lunge and then have a little 'sit' (literally start with just getting on, getting off and patting both of you if that helps!) and gradually build up the riding part/reduce the lunging? Or, if it is the tight circles of lunging that are the issue what about free-schooling or long-lining? Either of those would help you gain confidence with him, him get him back in shape, without you worrying about being dumped again :-) Get the person you have riding him or another instructor to show you hwta to do if you've not tried before.

Chin up!
 
The hack I tried was in company, it made no difference he was just so tense. Also we are supposed to be sticking to school at the moment if possible as easier on his joints. With walking in hand the prob is that there are horses turned out in the fields which run down the side of the very long drive who inevitably want to trot/gallop up and down the fence when we walk by which last time I tried caused him to rear and spin- even worse for me as that is my pet hate due to 3 operations on my knee which got kicked by a horse rearing when I was leading. Bad memories and not something I am keen to repeat!
 
I know EXACTILY how you feel.
My mare has always been quirky but has never "done" anything until last February. I was schooling her and she bronked me off. Like your horse there was NO WAY I was going to say on. I got back on and put it down to freshness although she never bucks people off. She then did the same thing 2 weeks later. I was determined she wasn't right behind. Chiropractor came out and found nothing, saddler found nothing and her teeth were done. I Backed off riding her as I was determined she wasn't right. Then she eventually went properly lame. Diagnosed as an abcess by the vet, however once the abcess had cleared I was sure there was more wrong with her, she was still 1/10lame. £500 later from vets and I have no answers so she basically had all summer off. I then started her back in work and she was just the same so I got a differant vet out.
Instantly he found the problem. She had a torn muscle in her bum that had healed and contracted so when I asked her to work in the cold, over her back it was just too much.
Now its a case of my confidence, I am looking into calmers too but its more my nerves now. The second I feel her tense I think "omg shes going to dump me".
What I find helps is riding her with someone on the ground just chatting to me, or I ride with music in and sing
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Once I get settled, she settles.
Can you lunge him before you ride him to take the edge off the freshness? This is what I do
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Like every one else has said, lunge... reduce hard feed..... change to hay not haylage.......

Try him on some sort of calmer? i used one for hte first 2 months i was riding my mates arab, it took the edge off her and i gained confidence.... just walkingto start and progressing from htere over time.

My other mate tried blue chip calmer... that worked, and placid. (think its by NAF) for a few months after coming back to riding after 2 years off having kids. and her horse was full of it....

good luck. every small step is a success. praise the good and punish the bad. you will get htere.

Wine to you and enjoy it. xx
 
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Oh heck, he sounds like a lovely horse! I don't mean to say that you're not having a tough time, of course you are. But really if this is the worst he has thrown at you after all his health issues and box rest then he deserves a medal! :-)

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This is what I keep telling myself and I know deep down that he has every excuse to be a lot worse, however that doesnt seem to help with the nerves in the actual moment no matter how hard I try to rationalise when I am at home
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I think that if it weren't for his soundness issues making him unsaleable, I probably would have put him up for sale I feel so low about it although in reality I know this is ridiculous as he has hardly done anything
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laurawinter - where are you based can I ask? as there is a guy near me in notts who is amazing (and I mean AMAZING) at helping owners out with situations etc like this.
 
darn, thats a bit far away.
However if you were getting really stuck he does have a yard and has horses come to his yard for a week (and its like full livery) for £120-180 a week (basically full livery if i understand correctly)

If you would like the information on him feel free to contact me (even if you didnt use him, he might know someone closer to you who can help)
 
Ok - so when are you moving down here???????? I will take you out for a quiet hack - and will take a lead rope as my boy is fantastic at ride and lead. We can go up sourton hill (on the moors) in walk - or even a flat out gallop and I will guarantee your chap will not buck. it is far too steep. Mine also walks at speed (ex racer) so normally anything following him tires easily and is struggling to keep up so no time to mess around.

Once he is out 24/7 he will be far more chilled, have you checked his saddle fit recently? That is the cause of many a bad buck.
 
hi 1st chill out and stop beating yourself up!! it sounds like your boy is feeding off your emotions! i'm guessing your all worked up before you even get on and he'll pick up on that and totally play on it!!
my tb mare is exactly the same, she instantly picks up my emotions and reacts to them!! you need to learn to forget what he's done to you in the past and ride for him in the moment!! i know it's easier to say but it really will help!!
when i teach someone whos nervous i get them to sing as their going round, they feel a bit silly to start but soon forget what they were scared of!!
also try doing different things in the school like walk/trot poles or round cones, through empty wings so he has to listen to you and concentrate rather than giving him time to think about playing up!
i hope this helps so just hang in there and don't give up as the little darling we spend all our time and money on like to test us and see what we're made of! good luck x
 
That sounds fab but sadly it looks like it's not happening now- the property got sold without us knowing although we were promised we would be told if there was any interest
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It's not been a good year so far although that maybe means that things can only get better?! Thank you anyway
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ETA You're right about him being out full time though- I prefer mine to live out 24/7 but there has been a change at the yard and it seems that might not be possible in the near future and definitely isn't possible right now
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ETA again, yep saddle checked, although will be getting it checked again soon but don't really think there is anything wrong with it
 
My gut feeling was the haylage - he's had sugarbeet before and its never had that effect but I cut it out to be on safe side. When he was on haylage he didn't even bother to turn around and acknowledge me and he has always been a cuddly treat hound. He's now on a low-sugar diet.
 
Thanks again everyone for your support and helpful advice. I expect I will be trying everything and anything to overcome this although no doubt when I do he will go lame again
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Sussex- that's really interesting, thank you. I am definitely going to swap him over permanently, started a couple of days ago and he is attempting some kind of political protest by refusing to eat it but that's tough and I am sure when he realises he is not getting the haylege back he will get stuck in!!
 
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