Help me find a stallion

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Ok, so my mare might be out of action due to injury for quite some time and I am really toying with the idea of breeding from her. (Obviously if the vet says it is ok to breed from her and that it won't cause her any damage!)

What should I put her to?

I want:

Good straight, elevated paces
A decent amount of bone
16.1 - 17hh height range
Preferibily a dressage type stallion
A level head.

My mare is well put together, half decently bred, but is sharp so I don't want to breed something that self combusts ;) She is a 16.1hh Dutch Warmblood mare, imported from Holland, Sire was French Buffet, Dam was Jaldine (mothers side of breeding is apparently very good!)

I have worked in Stud and Livery previously and my YO has bred 3 of her own so I have back up! It is something I have said I want to do in the future with her but she may have made the decision for me.

Izzi :D
 
You don't say if you want UK or foreign stallion, but for adding a sensible brain with a high dressage index I think a little used UK stallion is Dancier, a very good son of De Niro the dressage maker!

For UK stallions there are lots to chose from but again if you want proven GP, then you could look at Woodlander Rockstar, by Rotspon well known for rideability or Relevant an Olympic GP stallion that again is R line which is renknowned for rideability.

For me if I were breeding a dressage horse I would only use one either at GP or that is producing stock at GP level, or a very good son of a GP stallion.
 
If you want to stick with the same studbook would highly recommend a look at Mooiman. Competed international GP, approved KWPN and based in Lancs. 16.2hh, fab paces.

I used him for a 'one-off' to breed my future dressage horse and loved the result so much that I went back for 2nds and 3rds. Sadly lost the last one at 7 weeks old but have got three fabulous youngsters. Dam is 7/8TB and competed to Inter I level. The oldest one is 6yo this year, I backed her late as she has matured slowly (her Mum was the same) but she is so talented that she is already working elementary and a chunk of medium level in less than a year and that is almost holding her back as I have been careful not to push her. Like any baby she can have her opinionated moments but she has a lovely amateur friendly temperament - she has just been stuck in for a week due to the lousy weather/flooded fields but happily travelled 100 mile round trip to my saddlers to have her saddle re-fitted. Strange indoor school, had a mooch around loose before we started then didn't put a foot wrong once I got on and we started on the saddle-fit.

Her brother is 2yo now and had a nasty injury to his foot last year (nail injury) which required surgery and prolonged box rest and hand-walking. One thing everyone who dealt with him commented on was his superb temperament. He did all his box rest and hand-walking without needing sedation which is pretty impressive for an entire yearling colt. I've been taking him to our local EC to do some prep work for his Futurity and he behaved impeccably. Loaded and stood on a strange horsebox, perfect manners even with kids scooting about and that is with spring in the air.

Few links to albums. First is a mixed bag - adult bay is the dam, chestnut foal/youngster is the first one I bred. She was reserve champion at her foal keuring and was particularly complimented on her neck conformation, active hind leg, powerful trot and self-carriage.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.35569552977.43359.673237977&type=3&l=d67711ecf8

This album is all the colt, he got a high first premium at the BEF futurity despite carrying the remains of a leg injury. Particular comments were good neck/shoulder connection, superb walk, excellent self-carriage, good attitude (after he raked in the flower-pots and on the judges table :o ) Chestnut at the start of the album is his Dad.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.397242062977.177329.673237977&type=3&l=d6dbed1aca

This is the filly we lost - she was foaled at Holdenfold and went down with enterocolitis as a new born - Brian and Angela nursed her day and night and got her through it - sadly lost her at 7 weeks old to late complications when some antibiotics kicked it off again and lost her to a ruptured gut :-(

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150208094157978.333768.673237977&type=3&l=8c7639ac04

Latest ones of the colt

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150701580777978.423189.673237977&type=3&l=6f19d7d5c3

I don't have any of the mare under saddle as I'm the photographer - need to get my Mum in gear with her camera.

This is Dad

http://www.holdenfolddressage.co.uk/mooiman.html

Brian and Angela have been fantastic to deal with and really helpful through all three pregnancies.

I know Moo has stock in Netherlands at GP and there is one over here called Titanisch out at PSG/InterI with Matt Frost.

A friend has a young gelding by him (also out of a TB mare) and she has qualified for two nationals already.
 
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competitiondiva said:
If your mare is sharp, I would recommend staying away from Flemmingh and Jazz lines!!
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Jazz - yes as they are known for being hot.

Flemmingh no - he's known for passing on a really solid temperament and that is why those lines are often crossed onto Jazz stock to put in a 'calmer' influence. The only Flemmingh son known for producing sharp stock is Krack C
 
competitiondiva said:
If your mare is sharp, I would recommend staying away from Flemmingh and Jazz lines!! (especially combinations of those two!)
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Mmm ... I have a rather nice 4 year old mare here for schooling on who IS by Jazz out of a Flemmingh mare - she's sharpish - but compared to most of the WBs we've had here, she's a kid's pony! :D
 
Don't get me wrong, there are ALWAYS exceptions, but I hear alot of people say that flemmingh stock are sharp, and I have myself a jazz grandson, who whilst he is not going to be a professional ride, is alot sharper than his dam who is the most level headed mare there is. I'm just saying that if you already have a sharp mare then these are things to consider. I've also been told that jazz x flemmingh horses are usually very quirky, but again there are always exceptions. (A friend had 2 of them, both outstanding horses but very much professional rides!)
 
KWPN mares can be graded into the Hanoverian Studbook depending on pedigree some of the back lines contain trotter blood which is not accepted. If graded and you used a stallion licensed Hanoverian then you would get pink papers.
 
would say it depends on what level you want to achieve. Is this for keeps? Or are u looking to sell on? What do you expect the foal to do? What level did she work to?
Also what sort of buget are you looking at?
 
Hi Damnation, have you looked at Rubicell? He would tick your boxes as a dressage-bred sire and is known for passing on the amazing ridabilty and calm temperament of Rubinstein - Rubicell went to the Europeans (as a stallion) with an 18 year old rider, which says a lot! One of his sons FBW Rainman took silver in the para WEG 2010 at only 7 years old. I have researched him quite a bit because I decided to put my advanced dressage mare in foal to him last year (cannot wait for the foal to be born!). I have an event bred mare, who i also considered him for, as he ranks highly in the WBFSH event rankings, but left it too late last year for her as she slipped in the field and hurt her shoulder - but he is on my shortlist this year. Here is a link to a video clip of Roche (by Rubicell) ridden by Micheal Jung : http://youtu.be/fuymH1wVXEM - good luck with whichever stallion you choose!
 
That's interesting about Jazz - my only experience with one of his babies was a stunning three year old, which was completely untrainable. He ended up going back to Holland (from whence he came) - such a shame, but the girl who bought him (a livery) had no idea that Jazz babies could be difficult, and he was beyond her. That was about six/seven years ago now though.
 
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