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Hi, I need some advice. Strap in I think this will be a long one. I bought my horse 11 months ago due to her beautiful temperament. (8year old, thoroughbred mare, my first horse). She was calm, affectionate, friendly, always wants to please and I always felt super safe on her. Yes I was well aware of what thoroughbreds can be like. However I had never seen this from her. Despite being around her for the previous 3 months before purchase.

I bought her from a riding school where she was fairly new as a school horse, but had been on the same yard for 2 years on loan. She was always good to shoe, catch, good with dentist, happy in her mixed herd, good on the walker, but I knew could be reactive to sounds and new things- I was aware of this as had see it first hand and fairly comfortable that I could handle it. She never displayed dangerous behaviour just silliness, but with a gentle voice, exposure and confidence I could always get her through it.

The previous yard I was on was huge. 100 plus horses, no winter turn out (which again I was always surprised at how chill she was in and out of her stable). I moved to a new yard closer to home about 8 months ago and she is on full livery. She is turned out in all weathers for a solid 8hrs a day, which she LOVES. Weather does not bother her, she’s always happy milling around the field with her mates. They have a massive field and 4 other horses in the field with her. She has a lovely big stable and the yard despite there being 40 horses on it is very quiet. She’s fed topspec lite chaff and topspec cool condition balancer.

After a couple of months of being at this yard though I have noticed a massive change in her behaviour. She has gone from a cool, calm and respectful mare, to a handful. Shes also super reactive. She’s not currently in work and hasn’t been for 4months due to problems in getting a saddle/saddle fitter, but we do lunging/ground work, poles and still go out hacking in hand all of which she’s no bother at (but alert/regular dragon breathing). Usually do about 3 times a week. The change in her behaviour however appears to be exacerbated when she’s either removed from the field and everyone else is out and or/ she’s kept in her box and they are all being turned out. She starts going mad. It’s clear she has separation anxiety and is actually a very insecure girl. She box walks, calls to the herd and won’t stand still. Our farrier could only do this morning at the time all of the horses were being led out and it was a disaster. She wouldn’t stand still, she reared (never does this) we got her feet done but it was a real struggle. Every time a horse walked past her she was tense, would try to follow it, call to it, or rear. I tried everything I could to distract her but none of it worked. I’m so shocked by this as it was so extreme.

I had noticed the anxiety previously and have been working on it with her by removing her from the field for short periods of time, making it a pleasant experience and then when she was calmer returning her to the field, but it looks like I’m going to have to work on this much more intensively as that is not behaviour that can be accepted (despite me internally sympathising with her).

Do any of you have any exercises you have found particularly useful for helping her become more secure on her own and with me even (our bond is still developing)?

Any exercises/literature etc you would recommend for managing the anxiety and reactiveness? She’s very intelligent so I’m fairly sure it’s something we can improve on. She’s also very food orientated which has proven to be handy…

Is it me? Do I need to more with her? Does she need more stimulation? Less hard feed?

She’s my first horse and many of the people on the yard have just laughed and said she’s “just a needy mare” or “mares eh”, “give her time, she will get used to it”, “just tie her up and leave her to sort herself out” but I don’t buy this. She knows how to behave. I appreciate mares have different personalities to geldings but personally don’t agree that it’s an excuse for bad behaviour. All horses personalities are different.

Ps I am also going to seek professional help but am also very egar to begin tackling this problem right now.

Ps she also doesn’t show any signs of being in pain, vet checked, teeth checked, physio checks, farrier checks, instructor checked (on lunge) All agree behavioural - separation anxiety

I am going to change her chaff just in case the alfalfa is contributing to the drama. I’m also going to reduce her feed to a lite balancer or powder. She doesn’t need the conditioning element as holds her condition well.

Any advice, experiences, sympathy (haha) welcome!
 

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You can definitely have my sympathies, it's a very upsetting problem to deal with. Sounds like she is struggling a bit from a loss of routine and structure and so is emotionally clinging onto the herd as the only thing really providing that for her. Maybe have a re-think of the work you are doing with her and see if you can incorporate anything that will give her brain a bit more direction. And if she was mine I would also be aiming to do something with her everyday until she starts to settle, even if it is just 10 minutes of in-hand work or clicker training.

I would also be trying to accommodate her a bit more for the time being. So trying to organise things so that she is not left in on her own for more than about 15 mins before you are there to do something with her, generally trying to do stuff with her while the other horses are in, and asking to borrow an emotional support buddy in situations that might become too much for her (e.g. a quiet horse that will stand tied up next to her while she has the farrier). Have you spoken to the yard staff much about the issue?
 

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Tbs are really needy horses, my horse is still like this when you take a horse away and he is being left. That is why I prefer my own field where he can see his friends he just wont get attached, not saying you need to do that though. Agree with amymay Drop all top spec feeds and anything with alfalfa or molasses in it.

Do a lot more with her on a routine, if you can do the same things in the same order so she gets used to knowing what she is doing ?
 

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Sounds like she’s used to doing a lot more than you are doing with her if she was a riding school horse. Maybe it will help when you can ride her again and give her a more varied life. She’s probably just enjoying being out in the field with her friends and doesn’t want to be in on her own, it’s understandable from a horses point of view.
 

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You can definitely have my sympathies, it's a very upsetting problem to deal with. Sounds like she is struggling a bit from a loss of routine and structure and so is emotionally clinging onto the herd as the only thing really providing that for her. Maybe have a re-think of the work you are doing with her and see if you can incorporate anything that will give her brain a bit more direction. And if she was mine I would also be aiming to do something with her everyday until she starts to settle, even if it is just 10 minutes of in-hand work or clicker training.

I would also be trying to accommodate her a bit more for the time being. So trying to organise things so that she is not left in on her own for more than about 15 mins before you are there to do something with her, generally trying to do stuff with her while the other horses are in, and asking to borrow an emotional support buddy in situations that might become too much for her (e.g. a quiet horse that will stand tied up next to her while she has the farrier). Have you spoken to the yard staff much about the issue?

I do try to see her everyday to do feet brush and check on her, but agree spending the time to do a little something with her everyday has got to have a positive response. It’s funny as on an evening once all of the horses are in, she goes back to being beautifully behaved. Last night we were all laughing at how calm and chill she is! That’l teach us!

Absolutely going to ramp up the work to see if that helps and the emotional support horse is a great suggestion. Thanks so much for your response!
 

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Sounds like she’s used to doing a lot more than you are doing with her if she was a riding school horse. Maybe it will help when you can ride her again and give her a more varied life. She’s probably just enjoying being out in the field with her friends and doesn’t want to be in on her own, it’s understandable from a horses point of view.

Yes very understandable. Fingers crossed we get our saddle next week. Thanks for your response!
 

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Tbs are really needy horses, my horse is still like this when you take a horse away and he is being left. That is why I prefer my own field where he can see his friends he just wont get attached, not saying you need to do that though. Agree with amymay Drop all top spec feeds and anything with alfalfa or molasses in it.

Do a lot more with her on a routine, if you can do the same things in the same order so she gets used to knowing what she is doing ?

In agreement about feeds, I actually think she is being over fed which probably isn’t helping! We seem to go through balancer like I’m feeding the whole barn. Never thought about doing it all in a routine. She is a stickler for a routine so this sounds like it could give some positive results. Thanks for your response!
 

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In agreement about feeds, I actually think she is being over fed which probably isn’t helping! We seem to go through balancer like I’m feeding the whole barn. Never thought about doing it all in a routine. She is a stickler for a routine so this sounds like it could give some positive results. Thanks for your response!
Honestly its a game changer for me. I also feed a non fizzy diet because we all know how highly strung they can be. Maybe something in the balancer ? ?
 

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I do not wish to appear harsh or unsympathetic but as you are a first time horse owner I would suggest that you are 'over-horsed' and you require a laid back established horse that you can enjoy and ride safely.
My advice would be to sell this horse and find yourself a more suitable one that you can really connect with and enjoy.
 

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You've sort-of done this in your post, but try making a list of everything that has changed and that might have led to the change in her.
- different yard *
- feed
- work level
- field arrangements

* On this, I think a quieter yard can lead to some horses becoming more unsettled. I had one like this who on our small quiet yard became massively over-reactive - I think because he got used to the quiet environment and then smaller things set him off. He has gone to a huge busy livery yard and apparently is much less spooky there.

Otherwise, totally agree with everything that has been said about feed and harder work.
 

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Honestly it’s a game changer for me. I also feed a non fizzy diet because we all know how highly strung they can be. Maybe something in the balancer ? ?

Latterly this is what I have been leaning towards. Before me she didn’t get a hard feed and wasn’t in the best condition. She looks incredible now… but I’m paying for it in other ways. I think I will take it right back to something super basic and see what results it has.
 

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Latterly this is what I have been leaning towards. Before me she didn’t get a hard feed and wasn’t in the best condition. She looks incredible now… but I’m paying for it in other ways. I think I will take it right back to something super basic and see what results it has.
Ill pm you what I feed and you can see ?
 

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I do not wish to appear harsh or unsympathetic but as you are a first time horse owner I would suggest that you are 'over-horsed' and you require a laid back established horse that you can enjoy and ride safely.
My advice would be to sell this horse and find yourself a more suitable one that you can really connect with and enjoy.
That is a bit harsh, sounds like the horse was fine and she knew the horse before buying her. We can all have blips with any horse, this one doesn’t sound insurmountable.
 

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I do not wish to appear harsh or unsympathetic but as you are a first time horse owner I would suggest that you are 'over-horsed' and you require a laid back established horse that you can enjoy and ride safely.
My advice would be to sell this horse and find yourself a more suitable one that you can really connect with and enjoy.

No not harsh, I welcome your opinion. This has certainly crossed my mind today however I think I would be daft to not even try and solve a problem. I think there could be a few contributing factors. Previously I have felt pretty confident and had seen improvement. I guess today proved that there is more work to be done! Thanks for your response.
 

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You've sort-of done this in your post, but try making a list of everything that has changed and that might have led to the change in her.
- different yard *
- feed
- work level
- field arrangements

* On this, I think a quieter yard can lead to some horses becoming more unsettled. I had one like this who on our small quiet yard became massively over-reactive - I think because he got used to the quiet environment and then smaller things set him off. He has gone to a huge busy livery yard and apparently is much less spooky there.

Otherwise, totally agree with everything that has been said about feed and harder work.


Good shout! The field arrangement has certainly changed and there is a little pony that is very bound to my horse. Apparently it’s been acting itself when my horse has been in the school etc. if it can see her it calls for her non stop, which does tend to obviously make the situation worse. It does get picked on a little by the others and I wonder if my mare has stepped in as a protector. I might spend some time tomorrow watching them in the field. See what the dynamic is like more recently.

it’s funny, when moving yards this was the last thing I worried about. I thought she would thrive in a quieter yard but have certainly seen first hand how the tiny stuff can set her off. Thanks for your response
 

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Unlikely to be an issue currently given that it's winter....

she’s usually pretty ok when in season, the first seems more dramatic (as is expected) but after that one they are hardly noticeable. I don’t think she’s cycling with it being winter and haven’t seen any other symptoms. There are other horses in her barn still cycling though.
 

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Also her temperament might change in season? Is this a possibility?

Second this. Some mares come back in season mid winter, rather than Spring or some cycle all winter and get worse. When did the behaviour start, recently or months ago?

My mare is extremely clingy at certain times of the month. Like a different horse and it’s all hormone related. Her hormones may of started to ramp up.
PS. You sound like a fab owner that’s willing to try anything!
 

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Second this. Some mares come back in season mid winter, rather than Spring or some cycle all winter and get worse. When did the behaviour start, recently or months ago?

My mare is extremely clingy at certain times of the month. Like a different horse and it’s all hormone related. Her hormones may of started to ramp up.
PS. You sound like a fab owner that’s willing to try anything!


One of the other mares in her barn is still cycling and has continued to this year. I would say her behaviour deteriorated about august time, which as I’m analysing the whole thing is around when her work dropped (saddle drama). I can usually tell when she’s in season as she’s usually quite a wet mare during that period. The first indication is usually when brushing her around her belly she usually politely tells me to stop by leaning out the way, moving or she nudges me. The first couple of seasons she gets quite strong but it tends to be the week before she comes into season. That never really lasts.

I really am willing to do what I can. I hated seeing her so distressed today. I had to be firm but my heart went out to her. Whilst today has been difficult with her after reading these comments I actually feel like I have a bit of a plan which is great.
 

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Drop the Topspec for starters and go for a very plain pony nut that’s low in starch and no Alfa.

Have a look at Saracens Horse & Pony Cooling nuts, there is no soya in them. My mare has these and works at Advanced Medium dressage along with Dengie Meadow grass chaff. Perhaps try giving your mare brewers yeast, I found my mare chilled considerably when I started her on this and also Yeasacc.
 

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Have a look at Saracens Horse & Pony Cooling nuts, there is no soya in them. My mare has these and works at Advanced Medium dressage along with Dengie Meadow grass chaff. Perhaps try giving your mare brewers yeast, I found my mare chilled considerably when I started her on this and also Yeasacc.

Fantastic thank you. I actually have a bag of Dengie meadow Grass ready to go as I had heard great things about it! Thanks I will do some research on them and maybe give them a try.
 

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It really isn't normal for a mare to cycle all winter unless kept under lights and I would certainly be getting mine vet checked if they were.

Not posting this relating to you OP, just as a general note because other people can search and find these threads.
 

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If she was ace for months, then the barn change seemed to be the trigger for changed behaviour - what else changed with the barn move?
If she was a RS horse and handled other changes in life with ease, she doesnt sound like the sort to be overly triggered by a change - and these attributes are likely brought on by other changes, that just so happened to coincide with yard move?

Was she started on top spec with the barn move? New hay at new yard? (Not all hay is the same)

Id not feed top spec, if so. There’s various triggering aspects to their foods.

Strip diet back to basics as she’s not being ridden currently - good quality nutritious hay/haylage, mix mineral powder balancer, salt, water + plain untreated grass pellets from emerald feeds if more nutritious calories needed, due to lack of grass growth.

Allow 2 weeks for changes to appear, as she needs to detox potential trigger foods out of her system.
 

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If she was ace for months, then the barn change seemed to be the trigger for changed behaviour - what else changed with the barn move?
If she was a RS horse and handled other changes in life with ease, she doesnt sound like the sort to be overly triggered by a change - and these attributes are likely brought on by other changes, that just so happened to coincide with yard move?

Was she started on top spec with the barn move? New hay at new yard? (Not all hay is the same)

Id not feed top spec, if so. There’s various triggering aspects to their foods.

Strip diet back to basics as she’s not being ridden currently - good quality nutritious hay/haylage, mix mineral powder balancer, salt, water + plain untreated grass pellets from emerald feeds if more nutritious calories needed, due to lack of grass growth.

Allow 2 weeks for changes to appear, as she needs to detox potential trigger foods out of her system.

Yeah the yard move was when she was started on a hard feed, it was also the point where she started getting regular turn out which she didn’t have much of at the previous yard. Thanks for your advice. Certainly going to change her diet to something way simpler.
 

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I think she has rediscovered the joys of turnout and time our and about with other horses .
For the time being I would manage round it so try to sort the shoeing for a time that will suit if you get into bother you might have to consider using some sedative paste
I would work on putting her in the situation that triggers the anxiety in a controlled way when nothing is expected of her .

I think she will better when she’s back in work and she’s tired .
Time and routine usually sorts this issue .
 
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