Help pls... new pony vetted passed now crook... What do I do.. Long winded but advise

That pony is very lucky to have ended up with somebody as responsible as you; as for the sellers, words fail me, what sort of people put a 5 year old's life at risk like that?
Are you in the BHS, they can help with legal advice, hopefully the pony club people will vouch for the pony's known dangerousness.
 
Oh my goodness! I am so pleased your son has got back onto something else and hasn't lost his nerve completely because of the stupidity of that woman! May I suggest you write an extremely strongly worded letter to the old owner asking for your money back. Tell her that if you do not get the money you will go further and claim the keep, vets, feed, tack etc too.

Tell her what the DC said and try to get the DC to support you. If she won't I would suggest a firm word to her mentioning senior PC people might help her support you! People like this should be mad an example of.

Noone should sell a child's pony if they know it is dangerous!

Good luck.
 
That is awful:(

If you are going to look for another, it might be worth looking at some of the reputable charities that rehome for a pony on loan (ie Blue Cross, WHW, Horseworld if you are in range etc). They will be honest with you about the pony's experience and history as it is in everyone's interest that they do so, and you will not have the expense of buying another pony - they will charge a fee but it will be less than buying certainly a proven, good child's pony. And since it is a loan, if and when the pony is outgrown, if you cannot keep it on, they can find it another home.

Just an option to consider.
 
I am going to email the DC of the Fitz.. I am hoping she will support me, if not I will go to the PC board and ask them.
She think she's covered as she sold a s a lead rein, however since this has come to light words also fail me.. I will post and let you know how we get on... I've just told my husband we want to keep Bee as a pet, just to love him.. mad I know but we do love him, and i'm feeling terrible that the poor pony must feel so misunderstood..
 
Hope everything works out. As others have said the sellers vet should have actually refused to vet the pony as they are working for yourselves not them. This is very very bad practice - experienced vet or not.

hope you get sorted.
 
I am so sorry this has worked out this way for you but better to know that get to the point where something awful happens. I have an 11.2 welsh A pony that I originally bought as a companion for my mare but with the idea that she would also be ridden on the lead rein by a friends 4 year old. She was purchased from a riding school which has now closed but they confirmed she was ideal for our needs. She appeared perfect when we tried her and came home with us, the problem is if she gets hot or sweaty or bored she just drops and rolls, regardless of having a small person on her back! We later found out that the riding school was well aware of this and that was why she was sold. 10 years on she is still with me and now teaching her 4th child to ride. She is a super mare but there is a very strict list of rules and do's and don't that go with her, she had only rolled once in the last 2 years and that was because the "rules" were forgotten. I have a waiting list of friends and pony club mums who want her as she is a super lead rein and 1st ridden pony having done loads of shows, rallies and mini camp with gusto. I will never sell her as I am sure that at some point she will get sold on without the "rules" and a child will be injured. It makes my blood boil when people mess with childrens lives as lets be honest, that is what you are doing by selling an unsuitable pony.
 
You need to send a stiff letter to the people you bought from, because they sold you a pony unsuitable and dangerous for a child. If you took it to court you would win.

This happened in our PC, bought a pony for a child, which turned out to have a bad buck. It ended up in court, and the previous owner had to take it back, repay purchase price and costs.

No wonder horse sellers have such a bad reputation, sadly it is deserved.
 
BeeBee has been so lucky to have you 80) I hope the retirement home works out - I can't think of a happier place for a sweet, loving but unrideable pony to go!

It's great Jack still could enjoy PC and that the whole experience hasn't removed his confidence. It would certainly shake an adults being spun like that!

It's still such a shame that people could do that. It's bad enough when people sell horses to adults when they're unsafe, but to sell a pony for a child in such a way is darn right reckless! Hope the DC can help in an official capacity, and that the legal advice turns out to be what you want to hear 80)
 
Morning all brilliant sunshine here but raining in our hearts.. the vet has called to say the bloods we had done show substansial worm damage, suppose we'd guessed that but still sad for Bee... we now have a very difficult decision ahead of us. Does anyone know anyone in the Suffolk/ Norfolk area who might like a pony to In Hand veteran classes with and as a compainion, we won't sell him but loan him. He will have to live on Codine for the rest of his life else scours really bad constantly.. but he's a diamond to handle on the ground and is beautiful and well bred... Realy don't know what to do.. so so sad! x
 
Poor you, what an absolute nightmare. I could have recommended a fabulous pony belonging to a friend, but she went on loan to a family (who's sister asked on here looking for a loan pony) about 6 weeks ago & hopefully they pleased with her as my friend hasn't told me otherwise. You may find it worth putting a wanted ad on here, or go to the pony club classifieds where you can easily check past history with DC's & the vendor knows that.

Terrible decision, do consider he is not a young chap & will need to live on this drug permanently. It's hard enough to find retirement homes, let alone for ponies which will cost extra. If you can't find a home, give him a wonderful spring retirement, then call it a day. May sound harsh, but you know he will never be abused again or in pain from not receiving his medication. Thank heavens he ended up with you & not someone irresponsible.

Kids are strong, & your boy will bounce back understanding Bee only behaved that way due to pain, & being able to ride another pony will help as well. I hope you can find something sold by an honest vendor that does the job you need.
 
Hello all.. latest update.. we have a fabulous new pony for JAck who went to his first show last weekend and got an armfull of rosettes, just in little fun classes.. BUT Bee is still with us, theprevious owners have threatened to report us to RSPCA saying we have ruined him. BUT they have also offered us £100 to have him back.. THINK NOT!
We have confirmation that she changed his advert, and the instructor who teaches them has emailed to say they kept him on a calmer and he was a nervous wreck.
I know we will win in court but unsure if I've got the energy to do it. We've placed a very honest advert on horsemart hoping someone comes along who may want a special little person.
Just for your interest here are her adverts.. get a coffee and enjoy!

THIS IS THE ADVERT FORWARDED TO US THIS MORNING SAYING SHE ADVERTISED HIM AS SPOOKY WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS ADVERT;
Bee Bee is an absolutely stunning Dun reg. Welsh part bred. Sire Rosevean Merry Mountain, Dam Briolen Beth. He is lovely on the lead rein for flatwork and small jumps. He has good paces and has taught our daughter to canter, and be confident on hacks. He leads brilliantly from another horse hacking out. In this advert I have tried to be really honest about Bee Bee's good points and his not so good ones (every pony has them!) as I feel that with a child's pony you need to know everything!! Off the lead he can be a little sharp at times and nervous over jumps. Bee Bee loves attention and will stand to be groomed for hours, he is great to clip, shoe (unshod at present as he has such good feet), catch, for the vet and to box. If he is alone in the trailer, he can be nervous if left standing around for too long, so we tend to load and then go - whilst travelling he is relaxed and calm. If he is with another horse he is absolutely fine. He lives out in the summer and stables at night in the winter at present. We tend to restrict his grazing as he is a little pony who doesn't know when to stop eating! We have had him 2 years and know his history for the last 5 and to our knowledge he has never had laminitus or any other illnesses. He is one of the herd and likes to be out in the field with other horses (geldings or mares) rather than on his own. When ridden he is great on his own or in company. Bee Bee has done numerous PC Rallies and Camps, beach rides, hacking, showing. He has been ridden by my four year old boy and has taught him to trot. He is kept at present with other horses, chickens, dogs, children, bikes, trampolines etc and does not bat an eyelid! Daughter has now moved on to more forward going pony and we will be very sad to see Bee Bee go and want him to go to a 5* home. Bee Bee comes with complete wardrobe: saddle, bridle, headcollar, rugs. If there is anything more you wish to know about this fabulous pony, please give me a call Tel:

THIS IS THE ADVERT WE BOUGHT HIM FROM; WE WOULDN'T OF VIEWED FROM PREVIOUS ADVERT; TOTALLY DIFFERENT; THE SOLICITOR WILL THEREFORE DEEM YOU COVERING FACTS
Bee's advert; He was advertised on horseMart under the LR and FR section
Bee Bee is an absolutely stunning Dun reg. Welsh part bred. Sire Rosevean Merry Mountain, Dam Briolen Beth. He is a fantastic lead rein pony. He has taught our daughter to canter, and to be confident on hacks. He leads brilliantly from another horse hacking out. Bee Bee loves attention and will stand to be groomed for hours, he is great to clip, shoe (unshod at present as he has such good feet), catch, for the vet and to box. He will live in or out. Bee Bee has done numerous PC Rallies and Camps, beach rides, hacking, showing. He has been ridden by my four year old boy and has taught him to trot. He is kept at present with other horses, chickens, dogs, children, bikes, trampolines etc and does not bat an eyelid! We will be very sad to see Bee Bee go and want him to go to a 5* home.

Bee Bee comes with complete wardrobe: saddle, bridle, headcollar, rugs.

If there is anything more you wish to know about this fabulous pony, please give me a call
 
Sounds like Bee is very lucky to have found you! It amazes me how people can sell on a pony without being honest about any problems! My daughter's first pony was perfect in every way except she would not hack out on her own or jump! She taught my daughter so much although she ended up on the floor many times! Knowing that she wasn't the easiest pony and we loved her to bits anyway, we made the decision not to sell her but to loan instead so we knew that she wouldn't get passed around! Luckily my old yard in Swindon asked to have her on loan and they love her! I was so honest about every little detail! They have had her nearly 2 years now!
I am so glad that you have found your son a new pony! Good luck for the future! Bee's old owners sound horrible and it would serve them right if you took them to court!
 
amymay said:
No this is not the case - and actually most vets are professional enough to be trusted.
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Most vets ARE professional enough to be trusted - but no vet with any sense at all vets a client's horse for a buyer! My own VERY professional and excellent vet won't do it. If you don't pass it, your client will be pi**ed off at you - and if you DO pass it (and problems arise) the buyer will - at very least - badmouth you!

A couple of years ago I sold a horse who'd had surgery. The buyer was told about the surgery, given the details of the referral vet who did the surgery, and I gave the referral vet permission to discuss the horse with the buyer's vet. The buyer wanted to use a vet from the referral practice (not the one who'd operated on the horse) and in THAT instance, they agreed - because I had given consent for all vets concerned to have all information about the horse. They told the buyer they would not normally do it.

Horse passed, buyer happy (we're still in touch.)

When I sell a horse I give the buyer the name of two relatively local equine vets who I have NEVER used myself - but just as happy if they pick their own.

Where this pony is concerned, it could well have problems from the saddle - although if the child is a lightweight, I'd be surprised if even a badly fitting saddle would create MUCH problem in a week.

Lead rein ponies are often little *****s. I have a friend who 'produces' them - she says many are near impossible to turn into 'first ridden' and they can go wrong if they change hands and the new handler is not firm enough with them.
 
You poor things what a horrible mess the previous owners created. If I was nearer i'd take him with a heart and a half as he would be a fab nanny pony for horses turned out! I know it will take energy and stress but you really should consider taking legal action...your chances of winning are incredibly high and any monies obtained would be very useful in paying for Bee's drugs for life
 
What a bunch of crooks.

Do let the local DCs know about the worm damage too. Unless it was worm damage from before they owned him, does this mean they didn't even give him basic care? If you don't pursue the legal route, Evil Me says you should get the Pony Club mums outraged and talking...
 
Take a claim in the small claims court. It will cost you practically nothing and with the proof of the change of adverts you will certainly win. You have nothing to lose but a few pounds for the small claims court fee and the sellers deserve the worry that it will cause them after what they have done - they risked the life of your child, didn't they?

I am so pleased that you have found a pony for him to have such fun on.
 
cptrayes said:
Take a claim in the small claims court. It will cost you practically nothing and with the proof of the change of adverts you will certainly win. You have nothing to lose but a few pounds for the small claims court fee and the sellers deserve the worry that it will cause them after what they have done - they risked the life of your child, didn't they?

I am so pleased that you have found a pony for him to have such fun on.
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Agree with this. My friend did a claim for a pony through the small claims court and won. At the very least it teaches a dishonest person that they cannot get away with conning people.

Anyway glad to hear your son is enjoying his new pony and glad Bee has you.
 
I dont get this, sorry. Do you not know that horse can injure themselves for example? You have a brand new pony, its in a brand new home - its probably be cantering around its new field and could have slipped hence pulling something in its back. It really could be a very simple thing to fix. You cant blame the owner that the pony is so hard to fit a saddle to! Mine is the same, I've had to spend over £1k recently on a saddle to fit him! I would personally never agree to buy a saddle which comes with the horse without having it checked first.

You said the pony was perfect the first few times your kid rode it, now it sounds like its hurt its back. You cant blame the owner for this - its hurt its back in your care. Get a really decent chiro to the pony and they should hopefully be able to fix the issue. Its amazing the difference they can make, my horse went very weird to ride - had a chiro out once and after treatment, horse is totally back to normal.
 
MagicMelon said:
I dont get this, sorry. Do you not know that horse can injure themselves for example? You have a brand new pony, its in a brand new home - its probably be cantering around its new field and could have slipped hence pulling something in its back. It really could be a very simple thing to fix. You cant blame the owner that the pony is so hard to fit a saddle to! Mine is the same, I've had to spend over £1k recently on a saddle to fit him! I would personally never agree to buy a saddle which comes with the horse without having it checked first.

You said the pony was perfect the first few times your kid rode it, now it sounds like its hurt its back. You cant blame the owner for this - its hurt its back in your care. Get a really decent chiro to the pony and they should hopefully be able to fix the issue. Its amazing the difference they can make, my horse went very weird to ride - had a chiro out once and after treatment, horse is totally back to normal.
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SORRY WHAT DON'T YOU GET?
the pony has been on calmer from beofre we bought it.. the owners changed their advert from saying it was a loon to saying it was perfect childs pony, the pc instructor has admitted the pont sppoked at almost anything, freaked if you raised your hand near it and didn't like traffic.. they'd had it on magic calmer.. and never admitted it.. sorry but this pony hasn't hurt himself, he's been hurt by them and they sold him to us, he was great first few days as prob still had calmer in him.
 
I think Magic Melon didnt read the whole post there....

Jacks Mum I have been watching this one all the way, and I am so glad this pony has found you!!
Hope your little 2 legged chap is having fun with other more sane things soon! :)
 
Similar thing happened to my friend. She spent ages looking for a pony for her 6 yr old daughter and 2 year old and travelled 3 hours to see one. The advert showed him at a show with a small child on. She bought the pony the woman owner saying it had done pony club camps, lead rein classes and was totally safe. My friend gets him home the next day he back barrels her in his stable whilst she is rugging him up and constantly bites!!! When she studies the photo on the advertisement the date at the show is 2007 the pony has not done anything for years. She rings up the DC of the pony club in the district the woman says she uses and the DC knows the woman and says the pony has never been near any shows or pony club camps!!! My friend was mortified and was going to get rid of him for the safety of her children but he has settled down and has not kicked out since or bitten for a while. Why do people lie about ponies when it is the safety of other peoples children they are putting at risk! There is no need just be honest!
 
Jacks Mum said:
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/JacksMum69/jacktotomontage.jpg

link to pic of Jack with Toto.. we had him for 3 weeks trial, he's restored our faith and Jacks confidence.. we took him to pc on Sat then little show on Sun and even did mini workers.. Jack laughed all the way thru.

Toto surely is heaven sent

Thanks for all the support we've recieved over the months.. x
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That has to be the most adorable thing I've ever seen, Jack is gorgeous and so's the pony!! Just read this whole post in one sitting, well done you for being so responsible towards the poor first pony, and so happy to hear you've found your perfect new pony!
 
Have been catching up - worm damage??? When did the scouring come to light? Glad everything else has worked out but such a shame the pony's internal health also jeopardises his future. Did I miss something in the earlier posts regarding it?
 
brighteyes said:
Have been catching up - worm damage??? When did the scouring come to light? Glad everything else has worked out but such a shame the pony's internal health also jeopardises his future. Did I miss something in the earlier posts regarding it?
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Hi BrightEyes.. we had bloods taken from Bee, its come back with substantial worm damage, and we've also found out the owners had him on calmer and knew all his problems. They have threatened us with RSPCA saying we've turned Bee into nervous wreck and told us we should never be allowed a pony again.

But have email from their instructor; will list for you to read... have removed names for their privacy.. I have also listed the adverts they ran.. both TOTALLY different!

To whom this may concern;
Bee was ridden regularly by B and had a lesson most weeks and attended rallies.
In our lessons they would walk trot and canter, do pole work and small jumps. It was very clear that she did not just ride during a lesson, but that she had practised what we had talked about during the week.
Bee was an obedient pony but could sometimes be a little spooky in the flatwork, he would spook and sometimes canter off.If he was in a spooky mood, I would walk with him and B, till he settled down and we would continue the lesson – he was not spooky every lesson though.
The arena at the A’s can be a little spooky - there is a hen coup next to it, a vegetable plot and the field with Bees stable mate wondering round. The yard is situated next to a busy main road so there were often sirens, lorries, motor bikes etc., sometimes these worried Bee and sometimes not.
If it looked like a spooky day I organised the lesson accordingly - we walked and practised shapes or leg yielding etc or I would give him and B an exercise where they both had to think and ride forward.
I did suggest that C tried using Magnesium, I think she used Magic and we felt it helped, I think this was reduced gradually and just used when required or during spooky phases. . Bee was genuinely nervous of poles and jumps – we would work to improve his confidence during a lesson but he was quick to lose it if he thought he had got it wrong. We were always positive when he got things right and did not make an issue of any mistakes, eventually he would do small jumps at trot. I was always careful that I did not move suddenly or lift my arm when he was close, as it could frighten him, I used to spend time and make a fuss of him at the beginning and end of a lesson.
I am a very positive trainer, who truly believes that the way to get the best out of a horse and rider is to praise and encourage, rather than to focus the on negative, just too gently ask for improvements. and praise when these happened.
I did not suggest that Bee was sold but I was beginning to think that B’s riding was improving and she was ready to move on to a pony that would take her up a level and encourage her to jump.
C clearly though the same, and when she told me they were going to sell him, we did discuss that she would need to place him carefully and wait for the right person to come along.  She said that she did realise that, but was not worried if she did not sell him at all – she was happy to keep him as they all loved him and had the space for him to stay.
B was very upset at the thought of parting with him and cried when we talked about it, she did not him to be sold at all.
Bee was always tied up to be tacked up and untacked, which is what we encourage our pony club members to do; he would fidget a little but never appeared agitated. He waited patiently while B wondered in and out of the tack room, chatted to me and generally messed about with him, and then she would lead him to the field by herself.
I have never seen this pony load or be caught, although had never noticed any commotion at rallies.
Bee is not a dangerous pony, but does need to be living in a kind, knowledgeable home as he was with the A’s.;
I suspect that he this has not always been the case, but he always did his best for B – he made her into a quiet, gentle rider who realised that horses needed to be treated with care, competence, confidence and compassion.
Regards A

SO DOES THIS SOUND LIKE THE PERFECT PONY THEY SAY HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG>>????
 
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