Help! What do I owe as final livery payment?

[Chianti]

I've just given my yard owner notice that I will be leaving. This was on the 21st April. My livery is due on the 25th April. I can't work out how many days I can deduct from my final payment as obviously I'll be gone before the 25th May. I know I can deduct for the 24th, 23rd, but can I for the 21st or even the 20th?

 

[ihatework]

Deduct 3 days, 22/23/24

 

[blitznbobs]

Yes 3 days

 

[Zoeypxo]

How long is the notice period?
When i left my last yard i had to pay 2 weeks notice on top

 

[Chianti]

How long is the notice period?
When i left my last yard i had to pay 2 weeks notice on top

It's a month. There's no contract but I know that's what expected.

 

[AmyMay]

It's a month. There's no contract but I know that's what expected.

There is a contract. It’s implied by your regular monthly payments.

You deduct 3 days.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I think I’d just pay the month as usual rather than faffing round with days.

 

[AmyMay]

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[honetpot]

I would pay for the whole month. Your unwritten contract is for a month. I have been at livery where you pay per day, but thats not usual.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I would pay for the full month. You can leave earlier if you wish.

 

[Fred66]

If you have given a months notice on the 21st then you pay to the 20th as that is 1 full month.

Calculation would be 12 x monthly fee divided by 365 x 26 (25th April to 20th May inclusive)

However unless you are short on money or your livery is pricey then I personally would pay the full month to avoid any ill feelings through my notice period.

 

[Auslander]

My livery contracts state that the notice period is from the 1st of the month, but it is at the owners discretion whether they want to leave earlier than the 1st of the next month. It's not usually possible to fill an empty stable part way through a month, and I still have to pay my yard rent/bills.
It cuts both ways, as I also have to give clients a months notice from the 1st of the month if I want them gone!

 

[Roxylola]

I'd suggest you ask your yard owner what your final payment should be. Either they've told you it's a full month and you don't agree or you've not asked.
I think if you want to leave on good terms you need to speak to them rather than adjust a payment to what you think it should be and expect that to be ok

 

[ycbm]

If you have given a months notice on the 21st then you pay to the 20th as that is 1 full month.

A month's notice given at midday on the 21st ends a minute before midday on the 21st of the next month.
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[Surbie]

Personally I'd pay the full month and if I leave earlier that's my choice but I wouldn't expect a rebate. My notice period is a month I assume (no contract here either), but needs to be a full billing period. But surely this is a conversation to have with your YM?

 

[ycbm]

I've given notice 4 times in the last 18 months to 3 different yards and never been asked to pay more than one month notice to the calendar day of the day I handed in my notice. One of those yards had a day rate for the "odd" days, the other two just made a proportional reduction.
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[Fred66]

A month's notice given at midday on the 21st ends a minute before midday on the 21st of the next month.

Possibly but that brings you into partial day payments. Generally if you give notice on the 1st of the month you are out of contract on the 1st of the following month.

 

[Polos Mum]

I'm honestly not sure I'd make a deduction for 2 maybe 3 days. The £ can't be that much and it might look a bit petty. There is a risk they start to penny pinch everything they do in the last few days too.
Or get into a niggle about wear and tear vs. damages for return of your deposit.

 

[ycbm]

Possibly but that brings you into partial day payments. Generally if you give notice on the 1st of the month you are out of contract on the 1st of the following month.

If you hand your notice in on the 21st of the month at midday, for a calendar month, then you expect the stable to be available for the night of the 20th and move out on the morning of the 21st. Think of it as paying for a calendar month of days that start at midday and end at midday, or as paying for nights in a hotel.

In your 1st of the month example, I guess most livery owners wouldn't argue about being given notice early on the 1st, but in fact if you want to leave on the last day of the month you should have given notice on the last day of the month.
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[Chianti]

Thanks all. I have deducted the three days as I'm actually leaving on the 18th so I feel that balances things out.

 

[Chianti]

There is a contract. It’s implied by your regular monthly payments.

You deduct 3 days.

I meant no written contract. I know that I have to pay a calendar month.

 

[Fred66]

If you hand your notice in on the 21st of the month at midday, for a calendar month, then you expect the stable to be available for the night of the 20th and move out on the morning of the 21st. Think of it as paying for a calendar month of days that start at midday and end at midday, or as paying for nights in a hotel.

In your 1st of the month example, I guess most livery owners wouldn't argue about being given notice early on the 1st, but in fact if you want to leave on the last day of the month you should have given notice on the last day of the month.
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Have to agree to disagree, the Government guidance is that it starts at the beginning of the day you hand it in (albeit this does relate to employment notice)

 

[ycbm]

Have to agree to disagree, the Government guidance is that it starts at the beginning of the day you hand it in (albeit this does relate to employment notice)

You are talking about guidance for handing in notice of a job, where you would be working only part of the hours in the day. Livery is for 24 hours a day. Try telling a hotel you intend to sleep there for 30 nights and pay for 29!
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[Fred66]

You are talking about guidance for handing in notice of a job, where you would be working only part of the hours in the day. Livery is for 24 hours a day. Try telling a hotel you intend to sleep there for 30 nights and pay for 29!
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If you hand your notice in on the 1st and it is for a month then you leave on 30th so you pay for 30 days and get 29 nights, so I’m sure they would be fine

 

[ycbm]

If you hand your notice in on the 1st and it is for a month then you leave on 30th so you pay for 30 days and get 29 nights, so I’m sure they would be fine

That would mean you had left early. If you choose to do that, it's up to you. This is easier to understand, maybe, if you make it a date other than the 1st.

If you hand your notice in on the 10th at midday, a month runs out at a fraction of a second to midday on the 10th of the following month. If you pay to the 9th and leave on the 9th and the yard owner accepts that, fine, but they've actually diddled themselves out of one day's notice.

What a pointless flipping argument
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[Fred66]

That would mean you had left early. If you choose to do that, it's up to you. This is easier to understand, maybe, if you make it a date other than the 1st.

If you hand your notice in on the 10th at midday, a month runs out at a fraction of a second to midday on the 10th of the following month. If you pay to the 9th and leave on the 9th and the yard owner accepts that, fine, but they've actually diddled themselves out of one day's notice.

What a pointless flipping argument
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Totally agree it’s pointless , I &will go back to my “agree to disagree” as it is personal interpretation.

But () if my tenants gave a months notice on 15th of the month I would expect them to be out on or before the 14th of the following month and the only guidelines I can find regarding notice (albeit for leaving employment) agree with my interpretation!!

 

[Toby_Zaphod]

To be honest I'd pay the full rate, I wouldn't bother faffing about with reducing it by 3 days. But that's me, if you have tight finances do a reduction of the 3 days. Invariably your new yard will contact the old yard for references so you don't want any bad press.