Help with new horse!

gallopinghooves said:
Update! Seller has agreed to give me money back as she's very upset that she is rearing as apparently never done it before and wants what's best for both of us...so that's great. But now I just feel massively guilty and like I've let the poor horse down and she's going to be so confused agh!!

I've also spent so much money on vettings, transport, livery...BUT I know in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean. Can't put a price on safety. It's more the guilt eating me up...
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I just want to say that it wasn't you that let the horse down.

I'm glad the owner is doing the right thing, but the owner and agent both let the horse down badly.

You don't prep a horse for sale by keeping it cooped up in a stable and away from other horses.

Best of luck finding a lovely new horse.
 
I’m glad you seem to have reached a solution GH which sounds the right one for both of you. It can be tricky when a horse moves yards. I have only had experience of this once in 50 years of horse ownership and it was with an older mare who suddenly decided she couldn’t be parted from one of the youngsters on my yard. They both wound each other up and made life difficult for the rest of the gang. Fortunately everything settled down in a couple of months and the youngster returned to her group of friends and now takes no notice of the old girl who’s quite happy pottering about on her own.
It’s quite possible that your mare is just reacting to the move but if you don’t feel confident best that you both go back to base. Good luck and hopefully you’ll find another horse very soon.
 
gallopinghooves said:
Gosh, that's mad. How people falsely advertise is beyond me - it's so dangerous. Poor you...I hope it improves for you. By the way, I love the name Tulip so much! But yes, you're right - I don't have the expertise for this!
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Thank you! It does boggle my mind, but the good news is that a few months later I found my absolute heart horse, perfect for me on every level. I'm so pleased that you've managed to get your money back and I so hope the same will become true for you once you start looking again!
 
southerncomfort said:
I just want to say that it wasn't you that let the horse down.

I'm glad the owner is doing the right thing, but the owner and agent both let the horse down badly.

You don't prep a horse for sale by keeping it cooped up in a stable and away from other horses.

Best of luck finding a lovely new horse.
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Thank you, I really appreciate that! x
 
jkitten said:
Thank you! It does boggle my mind, but the good news is that a few months later I found my absolute heart horse, perfect for me on every level. I'm so pleased that you've managed to get your money back and I so hope the same will become true for you once you start looking again!
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Ah I'm SO pleased for you, how lovely!! Enjoy and thank you x
 
gallopingby said:
I’m glad you seem to have reached a solution GH which sounds the right one for both of you. It can be tricky when a horse moves yards. I have only had experience of this once in 50 years of horse ownership and it was with an older mare who suddenly decided she couldn’t be parted from one of the youngsters on my yard. They both wound each other up and made life difficult for the rest of the gang. Fortunately everything settled down in a couple of months and the youngster returned to her group of friends and now takes no notice of the old girl who’s quite happy pottering about on her own.
It’s quite possible that your mare is just reacting to the move but if you don’t feel confident best that you both go back to base. Good luck and hopefully you’ll find another horse very soon.
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I do think she would 100% settle in a couple of months BUT I think rearing is her way of dealing with stress. So even if she settles at the yard, I don't know that she won't rear if she doesn't want to do something on a hack (like go past a scary object for example!). It's a tricky one...:(
 
From her history - being kept alone for a period of time (years?), then to the dealer where she had very limited turnout, then to a yard with suddenly lots of horses with direct contact - I imagine her social responses are in overdrive. Couple that with it likely triggering her to come into a strong season because she's potentially not had much - if any - time with other horses for not sure how long, she's likely high as a kite on hormones too.

I'm glad a solution was offered by the seller for all of you, but please don't blame yourself - it was the circumstances, not you.
 
PurpleSpots said:
From her history - being kept alone for a period of time (years?), then to the dealer where she had very limited turnout, then to a yard with suddenly lots of horses with direct contact - I imagine her social responses are in overdrive. Couple that with it likely triggering her to come into a strong season because she's potentially not had much - if any - time with other horses for not sure how long, she's likely high as a kite on hormones too.

I'm glad a solution was offered by the seller for all of you, but please don't blame yourself - it was the circumstances, not you.
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I totally agree with this. She was alone for around 10 months (I think) but attended fun rides and pony club etc. And then there were other horses at the sales livery but she was turned out by herself so I imagine never socialised. It is very pitiful and makes me even more sad because that's what she's going back to. Maybe if I just give her time and let her be a horse, she would settle...

You're right, it's definitely the rare socialisation that triggered her season.
 
She could settle. Or she could rear and strike you in the head. A horse that will automatically go to rear when stressed needs an experienced owner willing to put up with it and that’s not what you’ve signed up for. I have a rearer mini and despite the fact he has never once reared at/with me I have to be very careful who I let interact with him and think things you normally take for granted (new vet, new farrier, new person saying hello etc) through carefully and also spend a fortune on sedation because it’s not worth the risk for certain things because I know what he is capable of. It’s not fun.
 
PurpleSpots said:
From her history - being kept alone for a period of time (years?), then to the dealer where she had very limited turnout, then to a yard with suddenly lots of horses with direct contact - I imagine her social responses are in overdrive. Couple that with it likely triggering her to come into a strong season because she's potentially not had much - if any - time with other horses for not sure how long, she's likely high as a kite on hormones too.

I'm glad a solution was offered by the seller for all of you, but please don't blame yourself - it was the circumstances, not you.
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Very good points.
 
kerrieberry2 said:
but every horse has a rear in them
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This isn't true, sorry. I have owned over 40 horses in my lifetime and I could count on one hand the number who ever thought of lifting both front feet of the floor. Rearing in hand is a particularly nasty and dangerous reaction. Running backwards or barging forwards is far more common as the horse tries to get away. Rearing is a fight reaction, box your way out of trouble. Most horses won't expose their soft belly to a potential predator like that.

Please tell us she's going back GH, it's the best result for you.
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When i put my lad on loan he was the same. The lady who loaned him had ridden him at our yard many many times. I was pregnant so she was going to take over his care for a while and wanted him to move down the road from her. Bearing in mind the horse was 100% safe clydesdale, he had been to shows, fun rides, your granny could ride him. She got him home and he would not settle. Spun and reared with her was absolutely dangerous stressed as hell. She had him a few weeks and just couldn't cope and neither could he. So back to ours he came. As soon as his hooves touched the yard he was his old self again.

If I had sold him to someone who didn't know him before I would have been accused of allsorts.
 
ycbm said:
This isn't true, sorry. I have owned over 40 horses in my lifetime and I could count on one hand the number who ever thought of lifting both front feet of the floor. Rearing in hand is a particularly nasty and dangerous reaction. Running backwards or barging forwards is far more common as the horse tries to get away. Rearing is a fight reaction, box your way out of trouble. Most horses won't expose their soft belly to a potential predator like that.

Please tell us she's going back GH, it's the best result for you.
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Agree, of course every horse is capable but that doesn't mean they would do it at such a minor inconvenience! Yes she is very sadly going back, I feel so guilty
 
Kaylum said:
When i put my lad on loan he was the same. The lady who loaned him had ridden him at our yard many many times. I was pregnant so she was going to take over his care for a while and wanted him to move down the road from her. Bearing in mind the horse was 100% safe clydesdale, he had been to shows, fun rides, your granny could ride him. She got him home and he would not settle. Spun and reared with her was absolutely dangerous stressed as hell. She had him a few weeks and just couldn't cope and neither could he. So back to ours he came. As soon as his hooves touched the yard he was his old self again.

If I had sold him to someone who didn't know him before I would have been accused of allsorts.
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Yes, I definitely don't think the dealer and seller are lying - I truly believe she is a nice horse, she's just not settled. I'm just not experienced enough to deal with a dangerous horse (even if she is actually kind deep down!)
 
ycbm said:
This isn't true, sorry. I have owned over 40 horses in my lifetime and I could count on one hand the number who ever thought of lifting both front feet of the floor. Rearing in hand is a particularly nasty and dangerous reaction. Running backwards or barging forwards is far more common as the horse tries to get away. Rearing is a fight reaction, box your way out of trouble. Most horses won't expose their soft belly to a potential predator like that.

Please tell us she's going back GH, it's the best result for you.
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I have to agree with this
 
gallopinghooves said:
Agree, of course every horse is capable but that doesn't mean they would do it at such a minor inconvenience! Yes she is very sadly going back, I feel so guilty
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Please don't feel guilty, this situation is not of your making and you should not risk yourself to try and resolve it. It takes huge experience to sort these problems out safely and most people with that experience wouldn't want to have to try.
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gallopinghooves said:
Agree, of course every horse is capable but that doesn't mean they would do it at such a minor inconvenience! Yes she is very sadly going back, I feel so guilty
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Dont feel guilty, the horse is miserable with you. She will go back and find a better fit. Thats a much better solution than ploughing on risking it getting worse or you getting injured
 
ycbm said:
This isn't true, sorry. I have owned over 40 horses in my lifetime and I could count on one hand the number who ever thought of lifting both front feet of the floor. Rearing in hand is a particularly nasty and dangerous reaction. Running backwards or barging forwards is far more common as the horse tries to get away. Rearing is a fight reaction, box your way out of trouble. Most horses won't expose their soft belly to a potential predator like that.

Please tell us she's going back GH, it's the best result for you.
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Yup. I have a brother and a sister from birth and I have genuinely never seen the mare rear once in her life, even when stressed (vet or dentist or first time loading etc) her brother when he was entire had a half hearted rear in him but since gelding has never even thought about going up. The one I have who rears has reared all his life when stressed and it’s not going to be trained out of him.
 
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