Help with Worming a 9 month old Shire Filly.

[Vixx94]

We recently bought a 9 month old Shire filly, and she came to us at the end of October. She was wormed before we brought her back by her breeder but our other horses are due worming as are the rest of our horses at our livery. As this is our first foal we are a bit unclear on the worming guidelines. What we need to know is whether you can overdose a foal on worming and how long we should wait inbetween wormers? She was wormed with Equimax in October, and now we have Equimax ready for her to be wormed. (one tube will be shared between two foals).

Would it be okay to worm her this week, even though she was only wormed at the end of October?

 

[dianchi]

Personally I would get her tested then go from there, then you know what you actually need to worm for

 

[Vixx94]

Thanks x

 

[FairyLights]

It's best to seek veterinary advice about worming especially with foals. I am not sure that Pramox is appropriate. My vet recommended Panacur Guard and then subsequently Strongid-P for mine. please call your vet to discuss tomorrow,

 

[Box_Of_Frogs]

Vixx have you spoken to H about this? There's 3 issues I guess: firstly the problem with testing for faecal worms is that we we're worming now for encysted red worms which don't show up on faecal counts (because they're encysted!) as well as bots. Encysted red worms can be fatal. Second issue is that worms are now so resistant to Panacur Guard (5-day wormer) that it's almost pointless giving it except maybe to very frail horses and ponies. The 3rd issue is that the yard has a robust worming programme that's there to protect all the horses. Do you have proof that your foal was wormed by the previous owner??? Can you trust these people absolutely? If so, how long before she came to the current yard was she wormed??? If it was me, I'd want to make certain that the foal was properly protected. It's very very common for yards to isolate new horses and worm them, regardless of any previous worming history for the very reason that it's impossible to be absolutely certain that the previous yard/owner was telling the truth or just trying to sound good for the new owner. Also, the safety margin on all wormers is huge. You need to talk to H and, if you're still worried, the vets x

 

[siennamum]

Vixx have you spoken to H about this? There's 3 issues I guess: firstly the problem with testing for faecal worms is that we we're worming now for encysted red worms which don't show up on faecal counts (because they're encysted!) as well as bots. Encysted red worms can be fatal. Second issue is that worms are now so resistant to Panacur Guard (5-day wormer) that it's almost pointless giving it except maybe to very frail horses and ponies. The 3rd issue is that the yard has a robust worming programme that's there to protect all the horses. Do you have proof that your foal was wormed by the previous owner??? Can you trust these people absolutely? If so, how long before she came to the current yard was she wormed??? If it was me, I'd want to make certain that the foal was properly protected. It's very very common for yards to isolate new horses and worm them, regardless of any previous worming history for the very reason that it's impossible to be absolutely certain that the previous yard/owner was telling the truth or just trying to sound good for the new owner. Also, the safety margin on all wormers is huge. You need to talk to H and, if you're still worried, the vets x

Absolutely agree with this. Can see no point in using Panacur, (have been suprised recently at the poor advice given by vets to some of my liveries).

2 foals of a similar age to yours Op at ours were given an Equest dose at 6 months and will shortly have a Strongid P.

 

[CMMB]

If you are sure she had equimax in october I would advise Equest (not Pramox) in december to treat any inhibited encysted small red worm or systemic large red worm which would be my main concern in a young horse. The praziquantel in the equimax has already treated for tapeworm so there is no need to treat for it again (with Pramox) until next year.

 

[FairyLights]

Vixx have you spoken to H about this? There's 3 issues I guess: firstly the problem with testing for faecal worms is that we we're worming now for encysted red worms which don't show up on faecal counts (because they're encysted!) as well as bots. Encysted red worms can be fatal. Second issue is that worms are now so resistant to Panacur Guard (5-day wormer) that it's almost pointless giving it except maybe to very frail horses and ponies. The 3rd issue is that the yard has a robust worming programme that's there to protect all the horses. Do you have proof that your foal was wormed by the previous owner??? Can you trust these people absolutely? If so, how long before she came to the current yard was she wormed??? If it was me, I'd want to make certain that the foal was properly protected. It's very very common for yards to isolate new horses and worm them, regardless of any previous worming history for the very reason that it's impossible to be absolutely certain that the previous yard/owner was telling the truth or just trying to sound good for the new owner. Also, the safety margin on all wormers is huge. You need to talk to H and, if you're still worried, the vets x

I dont agree with the resistance statement. Some worms are resistant, some are not. my vet recommends worming with panancur and panacur guard .Its a very effective wormer when there is no resistance in that particular colony of worms
The way to test for this is via egg reduction worm counts.

 

[Borderreiver]

Panacur certainly has a place in worming foals and youngsters as it is good at treating ascarids (roundworm) which generally only affect this age group. Some ascarids can be ivermectin resistant.

Yes there is a lot of redworm resistance to Panacur but it can still be effective. It's well worth doing a resistance test if you know your horse has a positive count, test again about two weeks after using Panacur Guard. This will tell you whether your horse has resistant worms or not and is very useful to know for the future.

Please don't imagine all worms encyst in winter as it's simply not the case. We do need to worm for them at this time of year, but high worm counts continue to appear in samples tested all through the winter months.