Hemp oil/supplement

[Landcruiser]

I spotted an advert for Hempine CBD, which makes great claims to help with all sorts of issues. I quite fancy giving it a go, both for myself and horses, but it's pretty pricey. Has anyone used it? Looks like some vets are recommending or stocking it, according to the website (including my own equine practice apparently, so I'll have a chat with my vet next week when I'm seeing her anyway. A search on here threw up no results but I struggle to believe it's not come up before? Especially if it's as good as it says.

 

[Caol Ila]

I used CBD oil on Gypsum for a little while. I was pretty much up for trying everything at that stage. I think it helped a bit and gave her some pain relief, but it's really hard to say under those circumstances if your perceptions are accurate. And you don't know if the horse would have been any different without the CBD oil.

I don't think there have been any peer reviewed studies on CBD oil and horses.

 

[tda]

Ive used it for myself, but i think it would be pretty costly for horse size servings!

 

[asmp]

We’re trying Nutrihemp on one of ours who is a stress head. I’m not sure its making much difference

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[PurBee]

We’re trying Nutrihemp on one of ours who is a stress head. I’m not sure its making much difference

NutriScience Nutri Hemp | Old Mill Saddlery

The NutriScience Nutri Hemp is specifically designed for horses to help maintain calm and balance as well as the added benefit of being a natural support for joints and mobility. The laboratory tested formula contains GMO free ingredients with n .... £25.80.Free UK & Ireland Delivery on orders...

www.oldmillsaddlery.com

The ingredients for that are ‘grass meal, hemp expeller’ - basically the hemp theyre touting as being wonderful full of phytonutrients, is the biomass expelled material from the hemp oil-pressing industry.

Compared to the actual plant unpressed of all its juices and oils, the dried fibrous expelled material has little % remaining of the ‘goodness’ of hemp.

It’s the common route of all oil industries to use the expelled plant debris bulk to be used as animal feed. Its great as a fibre food, but it’s nutritional contents are NOT that of the fresh dried whole plant, unpressed. (But that doesnt stop them marketing it AS IF it’s the fresh plant full of nutrition! )

The marketing of hemp products is very clever to draw-in all who have heard of the ‘benefits of hemp’. We have to the ingredients carefully.

Some supplements say ‘hemp oil’ - dont assume thats CBD oil - because its mostly not - its other oils from the hemp plant, and not concentrated CBD oil.
‘CBD oil’ should state the percentage of CBD in the oil. If there is no % stated, its likely generic hemp plant oil with some CBD added, usually very low amounts.

The majority of hundreds of CBD studies have shown its primary role as anti-inflammatory on mammalian cells. Whether this translates to all mammals, and horses specifically, it’s possible, but i havent read any studies in horses specifically.

Personally, because the price of genuine good quality CBD oil is very expensive, in horse doses, i’d opt for other nutritional/herbal anti-inflammatories that are far cheaper.
I’d also make sure the horse isnt getting veg oil, soy oil, rapeseed oil or any other high pro-inflammatory omega 6 oils in its diet, as that foodstuff isnt helpful to the inflammatory horse.
Omega 3 is anti-inflammatory, so micronised flaxseed in good doses should be trialled for inflammatory conditions.

 

[PurBee]

I spotted an advert for Hempine CBD, which makes great claims to help with all sorts of issues. I quite fancy giving it a go, both for myself and horses, but it's pretty pricey. Has anyone used it? Looks like some vets are recommending or stocking it, according to the website (including my own equine practice apparently, so I'll have a chat with my vet next week when I'm seeing her anyway. A search on here threw up no results but I struggle to believe it's not come up before? Especially if it's as good as it says.

Ive just had a look at their website. Their drops give either 5mg dose per ml, or 60mg dose per ml - 30 ml bottles.

The average humans takes daily between 25mg-175mg for pain, sleep and anxiety issues. So a horse with inflammation issues being 500kg, would need at least 5X humans lowest dose = 125mg = 25 pipettes or 25ml of hempines standard oil. (Almost the whole bottle! 25 quid per dose!)

So in reality, based on what doses humans are known to take to be effective treatment for these conditions, the dose a horse would need would be massive and expensive.

However, all creatures respond differently, and there’s merit to the science of quantum biology of cells, that in essence support homeopathic-type medicinal principles - so it would be a test trial to give tiny doses to a massive animal like a horse, and wait and see if there is any difference.
Depending on the condition treated, depends on whether we can actively observe change and/or benefit. An older horse with visually stiffer joints would be a perfect candidate to trial miniscule doses on, for example.

I used homeopathy once on a horse, at the time extremely cynically, through a fellow horsewoman, for an aggressive foal-proud mare baring her teeth at me - no idea what it was made of, but it was a calmer type homeopathy, and i have to say, it did work, quickly too, to my surprise and gladness, as it meant i could manage both mare and foal much safer.

So i personally dont discount the super micro-dose healing potential, while also keeping in mind the ‘common’ dose other mammals find useful.

 

[Cowpony]

I've used it myself. Seemed to work well, then I ran out and couldn't remember which one I'd bought. Second one was different and did nothing. Tasted a lot worse too!

 

[Palindrome]

However, all creatures respond differently, and there’s merit to the science of quantum biology of cells, that in essence support homeopathic-type medicinal principles - so it would be a test trial to give tiny doses to a massive animal like a horse, and wait and see if there is any difference.
Depending on the condition treated, depends on whether we can actively observe change and/or benefit. An older horse with visually stiffer joints would be a perfect candidate to trial miniscule doses on, for example.

I used homeopathy once on a horse, at the time extremely cynically, through a fellow horsewoman, for an aggressive foal-proud mare baring her teeth at me - no idea what it was made of, but it was a calmer type homeopathy, and i have to say, it did work, quickly too, to my surprise and gladness, as it meant i could manage both mare and foal much safer.

So i personally dont discount the super micro-dose healing potential, while also keeping in mind the ‘common’ dose other mammals find useful.

Glad it helped your foal but there is no such science. Homeopathy supposedly work thanks to the placebo effect, there is no other known effect and there is often no medication left at all in homeopathical remedies (just plain sugar or water).
This is different to herbal remedies though.