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What to you depicts stallion material?

The reason I ask is I read on a facebook group somebody advertising a rising 7yo tb x arab skewbald stallion who was backed once upon a time but done nothing else except cover mares. Priced at £600.

Now I read it and the following come to mind

1. Rising 7 and not broken? Shouldn't be a stallion. If its fit for breeding it should be out there proving it. Showing it can do a job. And all that jazz.

2. Skewbald. Cant help but think thats one of the main reasons he still has his nuts.

3. £600!!! If its only worth that much surely its not stallion material?!

I couldn't help myself but reply 'oh dear' and question to why he hadn't been gelded. Others have commented not seeming to understand why I feel he shouldn't be a stallion. Its shocks me that its not obvious?

Am I over-reacting?
 
I agree with you.

My gelding was bred with stallion potential in mind but he's not good enough, so he was gelded. This is good for me as I wouldn't have been able to afford him or have a colt anyway, if he'd made the grade. He is a super gelding. :)
 
Ha ha! I know exactly which fb group and thread you are commenting on and I totally agreed with you!!!
 
Difficult as we have our young colts graded and if no grade or they get to bolshy they get the snip! However, I have a friend who has a stunning trad. cob stallion, he's sired some lovely foals and is a great stallion to use as a cross with a finer mare, has a lovely temp. etc. No breeding on him, but he's a very nice horse. If this chap has good conformation and paces and sires nice foals that can be seen then I have no problem with it. Too many people breed flashy sports horse types and there's nothing wrong with producing some good RC types for the average rider.
 
Vieshot: Rising 7 and not broken? Shouldn't be a stallion. If its fit for breeding it should be out there proving it. Showing it can do a job. And all that jazz."

My stallion is 7 and still just greenbroke.

I hop on with a bosal and potter about the paddock, (boring, big style, for both of us) but he has never been off the property since I've had him - hardly proven as a riding horse.

Why? Because I tend to ride by myself and if I came off him and he took off and helped himself to a mare then I'd probably lose my farm paying costs. Not a risk I am willing to take, I have mares to ride if I want to go for a jolly.

He IS proving himself in his youngstock. Every single one, no matter what the mare, inherits his fabulous, laidback and kind temperament, also his 'cow sense' he works cattle, by himself, for fun.

Several of his colts have been sold specifically for training as therapy horses, and not one has ever, EVER, shown to have an inch of nastiness in their make-up. They are all conformationally correct too. If he had turned out to be an evil minded twerp or his first crop had been disappointing then I would have had him cut pronto, no doubt I will, in time, when I decide to give up breeding or sell him.

His bloodlines are very good, he's an old fashioned, short backed cow horse, he's registered with the AQHA, and approved and listed by the APHA, so I'm not using just any old nag with a pair of balls, and he just happens to be quite attractive to boot. This isn't advertising by the way as he isn't standing at public stud.

Would I have him if he was not palomino? No, I specifically wanted a palomino.

Would he still be entire if he was a bog standard bay? Who knows, he wouldn't be here if he was.

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I think temperament and the ability to pass that and conformation on is the most important.

OK, if a horse has proved it can do a job, and stay sound and sane then it is more boxes ticked, but they can also prove their worth via their youngstock in my opinion. Competition results would be way down my list of requirements if I was looking for stallions to use on my mares.

When I am buying a horse, I am not buying the sire or dam, I am buying the animal infront of me, I really couldn't care less if its parent had won the Triple Crown or a local Dressage Competition, it doesn't mean to say that the offspring can.
 
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The danger of such a stallion is, you don't know if he has any serious health disorders. He might be full of OCD chips, carry a illness or health disorders in his DNA.

You can breed horses for the noncompetitive rider with an unproven stallion, but you'll never know if his offspring will be healthy. So people are better off sticking to proven stallions, who have done all of the vet checks and tests.
 
That person tried to buy my cob cross merlin over.the phone without viewing some years ago. It all sounded a bit too good to be true so I said no. Now I'm glad having seen the countless for sale adds.
 
Enfys said:
Vieshot: Rising 7 and not broken? Shouldn't be a stallion. If its fit for breeding it should be out there proving it. Showing it can do a job. And all that jazz."

My stallion is 7 and still just greenbroke.

I hop on with a bosal and potter about the paddock, (boring, big style, for both of us) but he has never been off the property since I've had him - hardly proven as a riding horse.

Why? Because I tend to ride by myself and if I came off him and he took off and helped himself to a mare then I'd probably lose my farm paying costs. Not a risk I am willing to take, I have mares to ride if I want to go for a jolly.

He IS proving himself in his youngstock. Every single one, no matter what the mare, inherits his fabulous, laidback and kind temperament, also his 'cow sense' he works cattle, by himself, for fun.

Several of his colts have been sold specifically for training as therapy horses, and not one has ever, EVER, shown to have an inch of nastiness in their make-up. They are all conformationally correct too. If he had turned out to be an evil minded twerp or his first crop had been disappointing then I would have had him cut pronto, no doubt I will, in time, when I decide to give up breeding or sell him.

His bloodlines are very good, he's an old fashioned, short backed cow horse, he's registered with the AQHA, and approved and listed by the APHA, so I'm not using just any old nag with a pair of balls, and he just happens to be quite attractive to boot. This isn't advertising by the way as he isn't standing at public stud.

Would I have him if he was not palomino? No, I specifically wanted a palomino.

Would he still be entire if he was a bog standard bay? Who knows, he wouldn't be here if he was.

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In reply to "What, to you, depicts stallion material?"

I think temperament and the ability to pass that and conformation on is the most important.

OK, if a horse has proved it can do a job, and stay sound and sane then it is more boxes ticked, but they can also prove their worth via their youngstock in my opinion. Competition results would be way down my list of requirements if I was looking for stallions to use on my mares.

When I am buying a horse, I am not buying the sire or dam, I am buying the animal infront of me, I really couldn't care less if its parent had won the Triple Crown or a local Dressage Competition, it doesn't mean to say that the offspring can.
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wow!! Wghat ud give for my new filly to look anything like this!!
 
pixiebee said:
wow!! Wghat ud give for my new filly to look anything like this!!
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You never know, the colour might come :)
He took 5 years to get to this colour in summer. Your girls sire is a nice type, not too long or with a beefy backend (halter bred) and she has the cob half too, I would expect her to be pretty butty and short backed when she grows up.

Enjoy her.
 
Four Seasons said:
The danger of such a stallion is, you don't know if he has any serious health disorders. He might be full of OCD chips, carry a illness or health disorders in his DNA.

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Fair point :)

Playing Devil's Advocate here, how do we know for sure that the stallion in question hasn't had all his checks?

It is, I think, also useful to remember that a stallion is only 50% of a foal. :)
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He was bred by Fiona Livermore from Doylan stud, her stock are usually very good & normally fetch good prices.
As to the pedigree being short as its down to someone to manually put them in i suspect those were the only details had, so that is what is down, unless Allbreeds all ready has a record of the horse you have to keep putting relatives in till it comes up with one it reckonises & puts it in for you...if that makes sense?
Personally i quite like him, but if i bought him id whip his nads off straight away.
 
ester said:
well dad was coloured, as was grandad. The dam seems to have a v short pedigree for a thoroughbred.
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This is actually nothing to do with the particular horse now, nor relevant to the original post, sorry OP, just curiosity about the lines on my part, being the pedigree junkie I am. Princes de Coeurs was by Lyphard, and Lomard, as far as I can find out was a Hanoverian.

So - colour must have come from through Beer and Skittles?

It certainly didn't come through the arabians, incidentally I have Bask Grand-daughter in my paddocks, so this horse (and 20,000 others) are vaguely related to mine.
 
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Enfys said:
This is actually nothing to do with the particular horse now, nor relevant to the original post, sorry OP, just curiosity about the lines on my part, being the pedigree junkie I am. Princes de Coeurs was by Lyphard, and Lomard, as far as I can find out was a Hanoverian.

So - colour must have come from through Beer and Skittles?

It certainly didn't come through the arabians, incidentally I have Bask Grand-daughter in my paddocks, so this horse (and 20,000 others) are vaguely related to mine.
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Kinda interesting... This horse would also be related (vaguely) to my TB... Damsire's line contains Northern Dancer - great, great grand sire to mine... It's a small world... :D

The coloured aspect had me a bit stumped... Welsh Cobs can't be coloured... Turns out it's through Beer and Skittles' dam - who was a coloured half TB...

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The stallion up for sale looks a nice sort although I'm not normally keen on coloureds... Nads would be whipped off pdq if I had him though... :)
 
vieshot said:
What to you depicts stallion material?

The reason I ask is I read on a facebook group somebody advertising a rising 7yo tb x arab skewbald stallion who was backed once upon a time but done nothing else except cover mares. Priced at £600.

Now I read it and the following come to mind

1. Rising 7 and not broken? Shouldn't be a stallion. If its fit for breeding it should be out there proving it. Showing it can do a job. And all that jazz.

2. Skewbald. Cant help but think thats one of the main reasons he still has his nuts.

3. £600!!! If its only worth that much surely its not stallion material?!

I couldn't help myself but reply 'oh dear' and question to why he hadn't been gelded. Others have commented not seeming to understand why I feel he shouldn't be a stallion. Its shocks me that its not obvious?

Am I over-reacting?
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I agree with you. The only thing he is worthy of serving is a rocking horse. No doubt he could have given somebody loads of fun as a family horse if he had been with the right people from the beginning. Pity.
 
AdorableAlice said:
I agree with you. The only thing he is worthy of serving is a rocking horse. No doubt he could have given somebody loads of fun as a family horse if he had been with the right people from the beginning. Pity.
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Still not too late :)

I think the ad said he was a 7 yo, very few miles on the clock, he's got years ahead of him yet. :)
 
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