Dannylandrover
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Heythrop Hunt on Inside Out now
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spaniel
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Flippin' over emotional bunny huggers vs over zealous Heythrop. Neither looked good unfortunately.
carolmalin123
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Nothing wrong with anyone being over emotional about animals. I am on the fence about hunting really, I have never been, but i have lots of friends that do go regularly. I have also been told by said friends that our local hunt DO NOT hunt within the law. From what was shown on Inside Out last night, it is obvious they are not the only ones.
I can understand that it must be very difficult to try and explain to fox hounds that they are no longer able to do what they have been trained and bred to do. But you would think that supposed intelligent human beings would be able to manage to be more convincing that they are hunting within the law!!! Didnt do much for the image of hunting people I'm afraid!
I can understand that it must be very difficult to try and explain to fox hounds that they are no longer able to do what they have been trained and bred to do. But you would think that supposed intelligent human beings would be able to manage to be more convincing that they are hunting within the law!!! Didnt do much for the image of hunting people I'm afraid!
Eagle_day
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"From what was shown on Inside Out last night, it is obvious they are not the only ones."
Obvious? In what way, and on what evidence? I'd be very interested if you could identify any breach of the Hunting Act. Just a terrier man shutting a car door to prevent an accident. Oh, and a brown thing sitting in a field while hounds hunted a trail in the opposite direction. It was all quite pathetic really.
Obvious? In what way, and on what evidence? I'd be very interested if you could identify any breach of the Hunting Act. Just a terrier man shutting a car door to prevent an accident. Oh, and a brown thing sitting in a field while hounds hunted a trail in the opposite direction. It was all quite pathetic really.
carolmalin123
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I would expect any supporter to react with a comment like that! They obviously had LOTS to hide that they didnt want filmed, so i wonder what that might be then!!!!!! Oh and it looked to my like the terrier man kicked the car. Also what was all that about, surrounding the vehicles with horses so they couldnt drive forward? If they did that to me when I am driving I would drive into them, blare the horn, rev the engine, but sit there I would not!! Who the hell do they think they are? Intimidation and bullying I think that could be called. Now thats pathetic!
peakpark
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[quote
If they did that to me when I am driving I would drive into them, blare the horn, rev the engine, but sit there I would not!! [/quote]
Er....you are opposed to foxes being killed but are prepared to drive you car into horses' legs?
If they did that to me when I am driving I would drive into them, blare the horn, rev the engine, but sit there I would not!! [/quote]
Er....you are opposed to foxes being killed but are prepared to drive you car into horses' legs?
carolmalin123
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Er....you are opposed to foxes being killed but are prepared to drive you car into horses' legs? [/quote]
If the stupid person on the horse was silly enough (or lacking in care for their horse enough) to just sit there then I doubt the horse would be, so you think its ok to surround someone's car and refuse to let them pass? No I would not want to drive into anyone's horse, but I would not be initimated by such people either! I would never put my horse in that sort of danger, WOULD YOU? Please could you point out to me at what point I said I was opposed to foxes being killed? You have also assumed I am an anti, but I havnt said that at all. I am anti arrogant people with the manners of sewer rats however! Of course not all hunting people are like this, but I would never give in to intimidation of any sort from another human being, please explain to me why anyone would?
Eagle_day
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"I would expect any supporter to react with a comment like that! They obviously had LOTS to hide that they didnt want filmed, so i wonder what that might be then!!!!!!"
Obviously? So what did you spot that months of filming failed to expose?
"Also what was all that about, surrounding the vehicles with horses so they couldnt drive forward?"
Probably stopping them driving through hounds.
Obviously? So what did you spot that months of filming failed to expose?
"Also what was all that about, surrounding the vehicles with horses so they couldnt drive forward?"
Probably stopping them driving through hounds.
carolmalin123
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You really are very naive!
You still didnt say why you think they didnt like the filming! If there was nothing to hide, why would they object so strongly? You obviously have your opinions and I have mine. Please dont think that anything you say will change mine, it wont!
Eagle_day
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"Please dont think that anything you say will change mine, it wont!"
As you think it's acceptable to drive a vehicle into horses that are blocking your way, that's a shame.
As for being naive, who else would tolerate being filmed for hours on end? Why shouldn't they object to having a camera pushed into their faces? There was no evidence of illegal hunting and 'if there was nothing to hide' is not good enough reason to act so provocatively.
As you think it's acceptable to drive a vehicle into horses that are blocking your way, that's a shame.
As for being naive, who else would tolerate being filmed for hours on end? Why shouldn't they object to having a camera pushed into their faces? There was no evidence of illegal hunting and 'if there was nothing to hide' is not good enough reason to act so provocatively.
antiantianti
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At the end of the day there was no evidence of illegal hunting. All that happened was hounds chasing and killing a fox. That isn't against the law.
peakpark
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My apologies - you have not said you are opposed to foxes being killed. You have also said you are sitting on the fence as far as hunting is concerned. However you sound pretty angry about hunting.
As for me, under no circumstances whatsoever would I drive my vehicle into horses or blare my horn or rev the engine in close proximity to them.
Binkybex
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I just watched this on Iplayer, I have to agree with spaniel on this. If we cried every time a wild animal was killed we would be crying constantly. How much road kill do you see? and are there animal rights people stood around crying over it?
The heythrop should know better than to go round kicking cars though.
The heythrop should know better than to go round kicking cars though.
carolmalin123
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[quoteAs you think it's acceptable to drive a vehicle into horses that are blocking your way, that's a shame.[/quote]
Yes I do it regularly!!!!! You've probably heard about me on the news!!!!
But seriously, are you telling me that a horses' rider would not move his horse out of the way if a car was edging forwards and getting too close. I certainly would, I would not put my horse in that sort of danger. Please dont tell me you would do that to your horse (assuming you are a horse owner)? I am not talking about driving into someone at speed, I am talking about slowly edging forwards to try and get on my way, what if it was someone on their way to work or something else important? I cant believe that ANYONE on a horse would make their horse just stand there, in the path of a moving vehicle! What idiots! They obviously have no regard whatsoever for the horse they are riding!!! In my view the rider is the one responsible for the horses' welfare and should therefore, move to the side to let the car past.
I am not angry about hunting, I am totally fuming with the attitude of some hunting people (not all). Yes i agree having a camera pointed at you constantly would be a bit tedious, but if there is nothing to hide, they would not object so strongly!
Yes I do it regularly!!!!! You've probably heard about me on the news!!!!
But seriously, are you telling me that a horses' rider would not move his horse out of the way if a car was edging forwards and getting too close. I certainly would, I would not put my horse in that sort of danger. Please dont tell me you would do that to your horse (assuming you are a horse owner)? I am not talking about driving into someone at speed, I am talking about slowly edging forwards to try and get on my way, what if it was someone on their way to work or something else important? I cant believe that ANYONE on a horse would make their horse just stand there, in the path of a moving vehicle! What idiots! They obviously have no regard whatsoever for the horse they are riding!!! In my view the rider is the one responsible for the horses' welfare and should therefore, move to the side to let the car past.
I am not angry about hunting, I am totally fuming with the attitude of some hunting people (not all). Yes i agree having a camera pointed at you constantly would be a bit tedious, but if there is nothing to hide, they would not object so strongly!
winterhorse
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[quote what if it was someone on their way to work or something else important? I cant believe that ANYONE on a horse would make their horse just stand there, in the path of a moving vehicle!
if someone was on their way to work, a horse wouldn't be blocking their path. please inform me when you are on the roads, so that i can make sure i am not riding a young or inexperianced horse, for fear he may step in your path!
Yes i agree having a camera pointed at you constantly would be a bit tedious, but if there is nothing to hide, they would not object so strongly! [/quote]
if there is nothing to hide there is all the more reason to be a bit hacked off at constantly being filmed.
would you like it if someone filmed you at work, claiming you were doing something wrong?
if someone was on their way to work, a horse wouldn't be blocking their path. please inform me when you are on the roads, so that i can make sure i am not riding a young or inexperianced horse, for fear he may step in your path!
Yes i agree having a camera pointed at you constantly would be a bit tedious, but if there is nothing to hide, they would not object so strongly! [/quote]
if there is nothing to hide there is all the more reason to be a bit hacked off at constantly being filmed.
would you like it if someone filmed you at work, claiming you were doing something wrong?
Eagle_day
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"But seriously, are you telling me that a horses' rider would not move his horse out of the way if a car was edging forwards and getting too close."
How do we know? None of us watching had any idea in what context that footage was taken: the road ahead may well have been blocked making it impossible for the field to get out of the way.
Do you believe everything you see on television?
How do we know? None of us watching had any idea in what context that footage was taken: the road ahead may well have been blocked making it impossible for the field to get out of the way.
Do you believe everything you see on television?
carolmalin123
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I would want to prove my innocence!
carolmalin123
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[quoteHow do we know? None of us watching had any idea in what context that footage was taken: the road ahead may well have been blocked making it impossible for the field to get out of the way.
Do you believe everything you see on television? [/quote]
Do you believe everything the hunt say?
Do you believe everything you see on television? [/quote]
Do you believe everything the hunt say?
antiantianti
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People don't have to prove their innocence. This is a basic foundation of our freedom.
I think that if I followed you round filming you in case you broke the law then you would get pretty pissed off. Besides how could you prove your innocence when nI am filming you because of something I think you might do?
antiantianti
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What also seems strange siu that they spent all this time filming them in case they broke the Hunting act and all they have shown is that they didn't. We saw the results of months of filming and they didn't get even one second's footage of anyone illegally hunting. All we saw was what they claimed was a fox being chased and killed by hounds. So what if it was? That isn't illegal.
It does make one wonder about the enforcablilty of this law. The monitors swear that the hunts are breaking the law but on what evidence. Clearly not that of their own eyes.
There can't be many other criminal offenses that are so undetectable even when they are (allegedly) committed in the open in dalight before people with cameras.
It does make one wonder about the enforcablilty of this law. The monitors swear that the hunts are breaking the law but on what evidence. Clearly not that of their own eyes.
There can't be many other criminal offenses that are so undetectable even when they are (allegedly) committed in the open in dalight before people with cameras.
carolmalin123
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winterhorse
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[quoteI find it very unlikely that you do not understand the difference between people innocently hacking out their horses and deliberately surrounding a vehicle whilst mounted in order to intimidate the driver, also putting their horse at risk!
you wrote what if someone was going to work or somewhere important, what about them? the hunt would not be blocking their path, simple answer. you however seem happy to mow anybody down.
you wrote what if someone was going to work or somewhere important, what about them? the hunt would not be blocking their path, simple answer. you however seem happy to mow anybody down.
carolmalin123
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What a very childish and personal statement. Because of course, you know me personally and have video evidence of me committing such an offence!!!! Have you run out of adult things to say?
Eagle_day
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Do you believe everything the hunt say? [/quote]
I don't have to. I heard these allegations on that programme, some of which are supported by you, and I see no evidence of any of them that proves their and your allegations on a balance of probabilities, let alone beyond reasonable doubt.
winterhorse
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what?????
the hunt doesn't block peoples paths, intentionally, road crossings aside. can't comment on the heythrop, don't go with them, but we know who known antis are. don't block innocent people, just get pissed off with the day being interrupted by known antis, looking for something that isn't there.
you said it yourself,
" if they did that to me while i was driving, i would drive at them, rev the engine, blare the horn, but sit there i would not."
joking or not, it's not something to jest about. how do you know that the person is not just having a difficult time with a young horse. sounds to me like you don't want to wait to find out. hope your young horse is a saint.
antiantianti
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I agree.
Deliberately driving at people is just plain illegal.
Have you no respect for the law Fatmills let alone the horses that you seem to think it is ok to petrify?
Deliberately driving at people is just plain illegal.
Have you no respect for the law Fatmills let alone the horses that you seem to think it is ok to petrify?
Janetterose
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I think you'll fin
d that blocking the road is illegal too. Look, I am not an anti but this whole arguement of whether driving at someone is justified or not and whether blocking the road is right or not is completely pointless. I know that the hunt has been fairly agressive to me when I have turned up with my camera. I am an artist and would love some great hunting scenes for my portfolio. And why have they been aggressive - well maybe they have something to hide and maybe not! maybe the antis should leave it to the authorities to police hunts and if they are not doing anything about it - well maybe the antis should be pressurising the police to do so and not putting everyone in danger by getting involved. Thats just my opinion.
d that blocking the road is illegal too. Look, I am not an anti but this whole arguement of whether driving at someone is justified or not and whether blocking the road is right or not is completely pointless. I know that the hunt has been fairly agressive to me when I have turned up with my camera. I am an artist and would love some great hunting scenes for my portfolio. And why have they been aggressive - well maybe they have something to hide and maybe not! maybe the antis should leave it to the authorities to police hunts and if they are not doing anything about it - well maybe the antis should be pressurising the police to do so and not putting everyone in danger by getting involved. Thats just my opinion.
antiantianti
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It is illegal to obstruct people and I don't agree with it.
However just because someone does something illegal doesn't give you a carte blanche to drive your car at them.
Regarding antis 'policing' hunts it is an absurd idea because they are so obviously completely biased. Can you imagine the police continually writing to the papers about how awful they think black people are and then trying to police a black area constantly following them round with cameras as they go about their lawful business. The whole idea is completely absurd.
However just because someone does something illegal doesn't give you a carte blanche to drive your car at them.
Regarding antis 'policing' hunts it is an absurd idea because they are so obviously completely biased. Can you imagine the police continually writing to the papers about how awful they think black people are and then trying to police a black area constantly following them round with cameras as they go about their lawful business. The whole idea is completely absurd.
Janetterose
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I think if you read my post properly you'll see that I didnt say that antis should police the hunt - I said that they should leave it to the police to do and if the police do nothing then pressure the police but antis should not be turning up at hunts
antiantianti
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I know and I was agreeing xx