HHO news article, genital muilation from safety stirrups?

[ycbm]

Is this really a thing? I've been around and about peacock safety stirrups for 55 years and never heard anyone say this before.

Call for safety stirrups ban after child suffers ‘horrific’ injuries - Horse & Hound

Elastic-sided safety stirrups can cause horrific genital injuries to children and should be banned. This is the opinion of an American physician, lawyer and former international showjumper, who knows a child who was badly injured, and who told H&H he has heard of other similar incidents. Armand...

www.horseandhound.co.uk

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[Rowreach]

I think they’re awful for a number of reasons but I can’t say I’ve ever heard of any of that sort of incident with them.

 

[JBM]

Does the hook have to be pointing up? Does it have to be a hook?
Even the possibly of that while dismounting is horrifying

 

[ElectricChampagne]

I don't trust them myself but haven't heard of anything as extreme happening.

 

[Rowreach]

Opinion: Ban Hook-and-Loop Safety Stirrups - The Chronicle of the Horse

www.chronofhorse.com

That’s the original article.

I wish people would give specific examples when writing stuff like this.

 

[ElectricChampagne]

Opinion: Ban Hook-and-Loop Safety Stirrups - The Chronicle of the Horse

www.chronofhorse.com

That’s the original article.

I wish people would give specific examples when writing stuff like this.

It doesn't seem to give the same examples in the hho article...

 

[GypsGal1718]

I think they should just teach them to spring off more when they get off!

 

[ElectricChampagne]

I think they should just teach them to spring off more when they get off!

Don't they teach them to leave their foot in the left stirrup and swing their leg over, remove the foot then slide down in the US?
Edit: this explains what I mean better.

From roughly 4.55 mins on

 

[Rowreach]

Seems he’s been campaigning for this since 2015. There’s an interesting Facebook post (Leone Equestrian Law) which for some reason I can’t link to, and a number of comments from people who have witnessed incidents.

Watching my child get dragged when the elastic didn’t give way was enough for me to bin them. Useless bleddy things.

 

[Rowreach]

peacock stirrups - Google Suche

Some of these have far more of a pointy hook than others

Although any of the open sided stirrups could potentially be dangerous if you think about it.

 

[criso]

I saw a discussion on FB about them with a lot of the discussion focusing on the different styles of dismount with each side insisting their way was safer.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Seems he’s been campaigning for this since 2015. There’s an interesting Facebook post (Leone Equestrian Law) which for some reason I can’t link to, and a number of comments from people who have witnessed incidents.

Watching my child get dragged when the elastic didn’t give way was enough for me to bin them. Useless bleddy things.

My daughter got stuck to a fence going through one of those narrow spring gateways by one. The pony fired through and somehow the hook part got stuck which of course made the pony panic.

I did away with them too after that. There are much better options on the market now anyway. I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced they could cause injuries such as a degloved penis though

 

[criso]

My daughter got stuck to a fence going through one of those narrow spring gateways by one. The pony fired through and somehow the hook part got stuck which of course made the pony panic.

I did away with them too after that. There are much better options on the market now anyway. I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced they could cause injuries such as a degloved penis though

I've got stuck and seen a friend get stuck when traditional stirrups got caught going through a gateway. In friend's case horse pulled back and stirrup leather snapped. In my case horse stood still, I hopped off to disentangle, landed oddly as I dismounted and did long term damage to my knee.

 

[SheriffTruman]

O Lord, this was published in The Netherlands as well. I think it's bollocks. You'll always be able to hurt you on something when riding; from all possible ways to get injured on or next to a horse, I think these stirrups are the minor problem.

I have them, and I like them, btw. Pretty they are not, but they're cheap and effective. I am very, very clumsy, never had a problem.
The horn on a western saddle on the other hand ... .

 

[Spotherisk]

My friends daughter was caught by the hook of a safety stirrup when dismounting, she was probably around 12 years old at the time and a very experienced young rider. I know it was a genital injury, and needed medical treatment, so yes it really can happen.

 

[Cragrat]

I saw a girl out hunting slide off her 16h cob next to hedge, so she could open an awkward gate. There was no room to spring away from the horse.

She had peacock safety stirrups. Without going in to details, it caught at the most sensitive point. Horrendous

I've never used them, and never allowed my children to use them. We used Icelandic double bends, and now have Freejumps.

 

[paddy555]

I don't understand why, in this day and age, we have stirrups in their current form at all be it kids or adults.
I have always used caged stirrups since I was about 20, I would never want to ride in anything else having watched people being dragged. The elastic band kids ones just looked to have so many possibilities for an accident.

The horn on a western saddle on the other hand ... .

 

[ElectricChampagne]

The more you think about it the more dangerous they seem.

I suppose the nature of the injury would mean the injured party wouldn't really want to share their experience.

 

[holeymoley]

Good Grief. I've never heard of anything like this.

I've always ridden in standard stirrup, Sprengers in the last 10/15 years as have dodgy hips/knees!, and thankfully at any time I've fallen off I have never been stuck in the stirrups. These elastic side ones were all the rage for kids as was the bet leg ones, lots of adults had these. I can't imagine how the above can happen but others on here are saying the same sort of thing has happened then who knows.

 

[Skib]

I too ride in Sprengers. But most riding schools use peacock style. I let my grandchildren ride in them.

 

[criso]

I too ride in Sprengers. But most riding schools use peacock style. I let my grandchildren ride in them.

Is that for children? As an adult I've never seen them in a riding school or centre where I've had a riding holiday.
Apart from anything else they have a 50kg weight limit so are only suitable for very lightweight adults.

 

[misst]

When my daughter was at pony club in the more junior age groups all the kids rode in them. Once she went onto horses and was older she just had standard stirrups with a bend in them. AFAIK no one was injured by the peacock stirrups and they were encouraged for the kids on ponies.

 

[Skib]

Is that for children? As an adult I've never seen them in a riding school or centre where I've had a riding holiday.
Apart from anything else they have a 50kg weight limit so are only suitable for very lightweight adults.

Yes, for children. Sorry.
But the children's ponies were exercised by young women staff using the same stirrups.

 

[JenJ]

Wow. This is a great example of a thread where my opinion does a complete 180 degree turnaround almost instantly.

Initially on looking at the title, I scoffed and thought it was ridiculous. Having skimmed some posts, it's absolutely obvious that it could (and clearly has been) a dangerous issue.

Am now sat wincing with crossed legs...

 

[littlehicole]

O Lord, this was published in The Netherlands as well.

I must have missed this. First read it on HHO this morning.
Was a bit shocked tbh, never heard anything like this.

You'll always be able to hurt you on something when riding; from all possible ways to get injured on or next to a horse, I think these stirrups are the minor problem.

Very much this. There's no 100% safety around horses. (Freak) accidents will occur.

The horn on a western saddle on the other hand ... .

 

[criso]

Yes, for children. Sorry.
But the children's ponies were exercised by young women staff using the same stirrups.

Which could mean they got stretched or bent out of shape and were compromised for when the children used them.

 

[teapot]

Hate peacocks for all sorts of reasons! Seen kids catch coats on them getting off etc so not surprised there have been injuries.

 

[Cortez]

Freak accidents are just that: very rare but possible occurrences. Weird mishaps and accidents will always happen, you cannot mitigate for every single thing that could ever manifest itself. I've never used peacock irons though.

I've had horses get bit rings caught on fetlock boots, a horse that managed to get the bottom of a standard Filis stirrup iron caught on a canine tooth whilst standing and nosing/nibbling at the rider's boot, causing it to panic, fall on top of the rider and rip a chunk out of it's jaw (everybody ultimately OK, but LOTS of blood and drama). I suggest people don't let horses muck about with rider's feet.....

 

[ElectricChampagne]

Wow. This is a great example of a thread where my opinion does a complete 180 degree turnaround almost instantly.

Initially on looking at the title, I scoffed and thought it was ridiculous. Having skimmed some posts, it's absolutely obvious that it could (and clearly has been) a dangerous issue.

Am now sat wincing with crossed legs...

I'm cross legged wincing too

 

[Rowreach]

I don't understand why, in this day and age, we have stirrups in their current form at all be it kids or adults.
I have always used caged stirrups since I was about 20, I would never want to ride in anything else having watched people being dragged. The elastic band kids ones just looked to have so many possibilities for an accident.

Yup, after the dragging incident my kids had cages on their stirrups, which as well as being much safer also helped put their feet in the correct place and effectively improved their riding too.

The "safety" stirrups I've always hated are the bent leg ones, because by design they make the space which your foot can actually go through to get stuck much much bigger.