Hi viz plea - even in the sun

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Unfortunately as a cyclist who cycles both sensibly and legally and who also always wears hi viz, it’s flashing lights that are much more effective at keeping me alive on the road compared to static lights. The difference in how much room overtaking vehicles give me if I have my flashing rear red light on compared to if I don’t is astonishing. That’s in day time, I don’t cycle after dark.
 
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Unfortunately as a cyclist who cycles both sensibly and legally and who also always wears hi viz, it’s flashing lights that are much more effective at keeping me alive on the road compared to static lights. The difference in how much room overtaking vehicles give me if I have my flashing rear red light on compared to if I don’t is astonishing. That’s in day time, I don’t cycle after dark.
I don't mind the flashing rear lights as long as they aren't the intermittent flash but flashing front lights are not helpful, particularly the very bright ones. I see some cyclists who rely on their flashing rear lights but they are using such poor lights that you can be right up to them before seeing the lights.
 

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I don't mind the flashing rear lights as long as they aren't the intermittent flash but flashing front lights are not helpful, particularly the very bright ones. I see some cyclists who rely on their flashing rear lights but they are using such poor lights that you can be right up to them before seeing the lights.
When I'm driving, I find cyclists who have both flashing and non-flashing lights the easiest to see. I find the flashing light makes me see them earlier but can make it a bit difficult to judge the distance to them and the steady light makes it easier to judge the distance, once I've spotted them.

As for hi viz, I'm gradually building my hacking wardrobe. I generally don't hack out with my RS more than about 10 times a year, but I've got bright orange long sleeve top, yellow hi viz gloves and hat cover and am currently on the lookout for a decent lightweight waterproof jacket (not sure whether to go for a longer jacket or a bomber type) and am going to get a hi viz whip too.
 

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Sorry the pics are isolated but you can see how depending on where the horses head is can depend on how quickly a driver will be able to see them if at all. The last one imagine the horses don't have as much hi viz on as they do.

I just got a pink coat and my OH said that he could see me much easier than when I had my yellow hi viz on. He was on a hill looking down in to the trees. I need to dig out my hi viz for pony as I've been lax in putting that on.
But on all of those you can see the rider's arms, so if you had a proper coat on, it would still be visible from the front?

Also in general, a horse putting it's head right up is just a moment in time- movement and things coming in and out of view is supposed to be more noticeable to a driver.
 

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Also in general, a horse putting it's head right up is just a moment in time- movement and things coming in and out of view is supposed to be more noticeable to a driver.
In poor light with a horse that blends into the background the movement would be barely noticeable and not enough to warn from a distance. Something bright round the horse's chest would help a lot.
 

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In poor light with a horse that blends into the background the movement would be barely noticeable and not enough to warn from a distance. Something bright round the horse's chest would help a lot.
To be clear, I do agree- but I do equally think that someone who has put on e.g. a tabard and an exercise sheet has made a lot more effort to be visible than most dog walkers who use the lanes around here (often in very low light conditions that people don't ride in). All the riders around here make some effort, I agree that we should always do our best to be seen. But if a driver hit a black dog walking on a lane in the dark, they'd rightly be crucified on social media- why is it different if someone hits a black horse in the light?
 

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To be clear, I do agree- but I do equally think that someone who has put on e.g. a tabard and an exercise sheet has made a lot more effort to be visible than most dog walkers who use the lanes around here (often in very low light conditions that people don't ride in). All the riders around here make some effort, I agree that we should always do our best to be seen. But if a driver hit a black dog walking on a lane in the dark, they'd rightly be crucified on social media- why is it different if someone hits a black horse in the light?
I don't think you will find anyone who would disagree with you. It appals me how many people I see either cycling or walking on the lanes round here without any attempt to make themselves visible. Too many people think if they can see they can be seen and it just isn't true.
 

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I don't think you will find anyone who would disagree with you. It appals me how many people I see either cycling or walking on the lanes round here without any attempt to make themselves visible. Too many people think if they can see they can be seen and it just isn't true.
Cyclists round here are dreadful. So many dressed all in black with no lights at all. I'm starting to think all bikes should be sold in luminous colours to compensate for the number of idiots that ride them.
 

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Cyclists round here are dreadful. So many dressed all in black with no lights at all. I'm starting to think all bikes should be sold in luminous colours to compensate for the number of idiots that ride them.
I agree. Saw a cyclist the other day, riding on a narrow footpath against the traffic when he could have been on the wide purpose built cycle path the other side of the road. He was dark skinned, in black clothes and not so much as a reflector on his dark bike. It was not far off full dark so he was next to invisible.
 

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Unfortunately as a cyclist who cycles both sensibly and legally and who also always wears hi viz, it’s flashing lights that are much more effective at keeping me alive on the road compared to static lights. The difference in how much room overtaking vehicles give me if I have my flashing rear red light on compared to if I don’t is astonishing. That’s in day time, I don’t cycle after dark.
As a photosensitive epileptic, why does your safety trump mine? You can opt to travel some other way. I can't opt out of having epilepsy.
 

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As a photosensitive epileptic, why does your safety trump mine? You can opt to travel some other way. I can't opt out of having epilepsy.
It must be really tough for you living with photosensitive epilepsy ☹️. As I’m sure that you are only too aware, it is not a very common variant. According to Epilepsy UK, around 1 in 100 people in the UK have epilepsy, and of these people, 3 in every 100 have photosensitive epilepsy.

Your post prompted me to look into regulations re flashing cycle lights. I was surprised to find that, since 2005, flashing bicycle lights are permitted to be used as sole lights even after dark, provided that the light flashes between 60 and 240 times per minute (1-4Hz). So flashing lights are not an afterthought, they can legally be the only lights displayed on a bike after dark. Personally I’d always have at least a constant front light on at night, even in a built up area with street lights.

The below is from Epilepsy Action UK on flashing lights.

https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/se...that flash or flicker,than 4 flashes a second.

People with photosensitive epilepsy are affected by lights that have different flash or flicker rates from as low as 3 to as high as 60 per second. Lights that flash or flicker between 16 and 25 times a second are the most likely to trigger seizures.

Some lights, such as bicycle lights (red and white), are covered by UK law, which says that these lights must not flash at less than one or more than 4 flashes a second. Provided the lights comply with the law, they are unlikely to cause a problem.

Other lights, such as Christmas lights and strobe lights, are not covered by UK law. This means it is possible that the flash frequency of these lights could trigger a seizure.


We both use a very common make and model of battery rear light, the CatEye Omni 3, which has three operational modes namely: Rapid/Flash/Constant. Frustratingly, the blurb doesn’t quantify what frequency ‘rapid’ and ‘flash’ modes are. I’ve just checked the lights by eye, and whilst I’m confident that ‘flash’ mode is close to, but no more than, the legal after dark upper limit 4 flashes/second, ‘rapid’ is much quicker than that. We have both always used our rear lights on the slower flash rate anyway, as it is plenty visible enough. Now we are aware of the potential issues, we’ll stick to that.

We already switch the flashing lights off when off road, so as not to distract other people.

Again, I am very sorry if even legally displayed and operated bike lights cause you problems, let alone any non compliant very fast flash ones that might be out there. Also, I think that you are in Ireland, and I don’t know what bike light regs apply there.
 
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