Hind Extender showjumping boots

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Does anyone have any experience of them?
Just noticed some as i was browsing the web and thought they sounded interesting. How do they actually work, cos they seem a tad expensive!

heres the link- it doesnt really say how they work, so would be really interested in if they actually do "noticeably improve the showjumping action"!
http://www.derbyhouse.co.uk/prodshow.asp?id=1427&cat=243&scats=243
 
They along with weighted boots are used are lot by eventers and on horses that are a careless behind. Don't know how they work but they do.
 
These boots are worn quite a lot, but I dont think they should be used all the time. Unlike the weighted boots these tend to be VERY rigid. IMHO I think they cause a little discomfort as they are fitted quite tight. They are also long. For some reason horses that are lazy behind tend to throw away more behind when wearing the boots. There is also a knack as to exactly when to put them on for use in SJ. Also, when to take them off !
 
Not sure what's special about these boots.
Weighted boots alter proprioception in the horse...and are only effective when removed!
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No, you put them on jump one more fence and then go in the ring, you don't take them off until you leave the ring.
 
I've already send I have not got a clue. But they do. If you've got a horse that is careless behind and you are fed up with getting 4 faults in every round (obviously it isn't having poles for any other reason) buy a pair of these boots stick them on and start enjoying the clear rounds.

I don't know if they work by some how reminding a horse that yes he does have back legs and they should go over the poles not thru them.
 
No, it's to do with proprioception (I've been involved in studies on the effect of weighted boots).
What really happens is that horse thinks - my hind leg weighs Xkg, therefore I need to use Y amount of muscle force to lift it over a jump. You put boots on, and horse realises he must put more effort in....you take boots off...and horse continues to put same effort in but now effort is too great - so hind legs lift higher and clear jump.
They also did studies on teenage boys and found, that because they grew so fast, they miscalculated their limb length and placement (proprioception again) and that's why they're clumsy
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Hmm, have to say I tried Weighted boots how DD explained, and he did pick his feet up better, but wasnt overly extravigant, and did the best round he has yet....but may try them the other way and let you know how I get on!!
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The Hind Extendors work on reflexes. By putting them on tight, they seem to make a horse kick out more behind.
 
I think it's all to do with fooling the horse's perceptions....not sure it wouldn't increase risk of injury long term though - so to be used with caution.
If a horse is really careless over a jump, perhaps he's not destined to be a showjumper anyway...
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Weighted boots arent going to make athe slightest bit of difference to a "truly careless jumper that shouldnt sj anyway". What they are useful for is as a training aid to improve hind leg technique.
 
Weighted boots only work if worn. For my horse they work in that he is a bit casual with his technique every now and again and weighted boots improve his technique.
 
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I dont care what you have studied, weighted boots are put on just before going into the SJ arena as DD says. Or perhaps the Whitakers to name but a few are all doing it wrong!

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Just because they are fashionable, and people copy the famous riders (baaaa baaaaa) as you clearly do, doesn't mean that they work.....
If you do think they work, explain how? I'll bet you can't.
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On second thoughts, don't reply to me...I don't care enough about weighted boots to get into a lengthy scientific debate on a Friday
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I hope your weekend showjumping goes well and you have clears, with or without weighted boots
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Have fun anyway
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I dont care what you have studied, weighted boots are put on just before going into the SJ arena as DD says. Or perhaps the Whitakers to name but a few are all doing it wrong!


Just because they are fashionable, and people copy the famous riders (baaaa baaaaa) as you clearly do, doesn't mean that they work.....
If you do think they work, explain how? I'll bet you can't

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PMSL!!! I'm sure Freshman doesnt need to be a sheep...
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the "FRESHMAN" enterprise are more than capable of making their own fashions
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There you go again. Are you capable of joining a thread without being nasty, vindictive & sarcastic? It appears you open mouth first without engaging brain. I can assure you that I am not a sheep, & I certainly dont baa. I am however sure of my facts before I spout off. I could tell you exactly how the boots work & in great detail. But lets face it you would only come back with more venom. I also have not got sufficient interest in weighted boots to spend my afternoon explaining to you.
 
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There you go again. Are you capable of joining a thread without being nasty, vindictive & sarcastic? It appears you open mouth first without engaging brain. I can assure you that I am not a sheep, & I certainly dont baa. I am however sure of my facts before I spout off. I could tell you exactly how the boots work & in great detail. But lets face it you would only come back with more venom. I also have not got sufficient interest in weighted boots to spend my afternoon explaining to you.

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If my posts upset you, as they clearly do, why don't you click on 'Shilasdair' then click on 'Ignore this user'? That way you never need be troubled again, and I'll be saved from your rude replies LOL. This is a fun forum (or should be), and rude replies are unnecessary
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Just because they are fashionable, and people copy the famous riders (baaaa baaaaa) as you clearly do, doesn't mean that they work.....
If you do think they work, explain how? I'll bet you can't.
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What upsets me is that most of us on here are simply answering the OP questions in a friendly fashion. Most would consider it as giving the benefit of their experience. Which is what I believe this forum IS about. Several of us replied with that one aim, then you jump in & make remarks like above. On reading it again I will ask. Who was being rude. Baaaaa Baaaaa. I have absolutely no problem with you having a different opinion, but you challenged me & presumed I just follow suit & try to be fashionable! You my dear have no bloody idea of how to behave in a public forum, & probably anywhere else for that matter.
 
Freshman, I have no interest in arguments on the forum. I have no issues to pursue
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I was only interested in discussing how the 'hind extender boots' worked (if they do) - as in the mechanism by which they work.
But your earlier post which began 'I don't care what the studies say....' was, IMO not very helpful and didn't tell us anything - after all there are as many tack and equipment preferences as there are riders...
So maybe it would help if you could explain how you know or think they may work...then I would stand corrected!
I have been wrong before....at least once
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Ok very basic way of working is keeping things simple. That is how I think of everything with horses. They dont ever complicate matters, only people do that. The boots are rigid. They are applied quite tight. They apply pressure points on the horses leg, to some extent they fit lower than the average boot. whilst some horses will simply flex the fetlock over a fence these boots make it particularly difficult to do that. Therefore they flick the whole leg back (with fetlock & hoof much straighter) which in turn opens them up behind. Ask yourself one question. if something is put on a horse that is slightly different (hence not wearing them all the time as it will then become the norm) It will in fact try to get rid of it. ie: kick it off. Voila a more active hind leg action. A perfect example over the last few weeks I have a horse that is perfectly well mannered. It cut it self quite badly on the hind leg. When changing its dressing it tried to kick you. (& succeded twice) This procedure was not painfull, but a necessary slight discomfort. Not the horses fault, just a valid reaction to a situation. The fact is that over 80% of horses jump cleaner behind when wearing the boots than without. A big No NO is to put them on a horse that is 'open ' behind They will land very steep & frighten themself & most definately the jockey. It also will struggle to make the correct distance in a related distance within a course.
With regards to your comparison of wearing weights to utilise more effort, I believe this method to be used to build up more muscle by making one work harder. Bit like people do in the Gym really.
 
At the risk of sticking my nose in, I actually thought you jumped the horse in them (weighted hind boots) during warm up and removed them immediatedly before entering the ring! Not sure where I heard it and am more than willing to stand corrected, but it does sort of make sense. However, I'm not convinced that 'less sensitive' animals would remember to pick up more behind after the first fence - in which case the wearing of them during the round seems sensible, too. Oh dear........
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Thanks for your reply.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that they prevent the horse from flexing his fetlock joint so he has to flex the stifle, hock (and maybe back) a bit more?
Now over time, is this not more likely to cause injury to the other joints involved...ligament strain, muscle pulls etc? Is there any known link to greater injury rates (if not, wouldn't it be interesting to know!).
From studies with applying weights around the lower leg, they found that not only did the weights increase flexion (after use for a while due to proprioception) but they also altered the flight path of the horse's limb...and not always for the better.
Do you think the hind extenders could do the same, and would this not maybe unbalance horse?
Hope your kicks heal quickly!
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Yes, studies I've seen regarding weighted boots found the effects only came after the boots were removed...not sure how long the increased effort/flexion would last though.
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PS Weighted boots seem to work differently from 'Hind Extenders' tho'
 
I dont believe they actually prevent any movement, simply encourage what is easiest. Like any excersise if done with correct technique you have far less worries of injury than if an excersise is done incorrectly. Whilst I would never suggest anyone taking on fences outside there horses capabilities which may cause injury, it heps a horse to get a better bascule. Not sure if this is a good example but here goes. If I go to the Gym & throw myself into a work out without any knowledge of how to do the excersise correctly, would I not be more likely to injure myself. Like lifting or sit ups without drawing stomach up into the abdomen. (Dont go to a gym but trying to make a comparison.) Horses are usually pretty easy to kid along. As one old Pro once said "they are easy to mug" (what a horrible word)
With regards to could this unbalance them. Yes absolutely, which is why you wouldnt use them on a horse that is good behind.
BTW I have only used these boots on a very few occasions as simply they are not needed much on my yard. But feel they can be a valuable aid with correct use.
 
i think it was a bit unfair saying freshman advocates the use of these boots to be fashionable? I've no experience with using these boots myself but you do know that freshman showjumps to an extremely high level dont you?! so i hardly think 'fashion' is the motivation for using them in this case.
 
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